Trump should be asked to resign

[Moderate Right]

What did I imagine?

It's a fact that Trump was negotiating a deal to build a tower in Moscow with his name on it.
It's a fact that he has been pushing a Russia-friendly agenda
It's a fact that his deal required Putin's approval

How can you deny that Trump was acting for his own financial interest and not that of the country he swore to protect?

Is there anything that I stated here that is not a fact?

How can we have a president who has some personal financial agenda with a hostile foreign power making decisions regarding our relations with this hostile foreign power? This is insane.

None of what you stated is against the law.

 

[Moderate Right]

You trust someone who lied to you and had his lawyer lie to Congress? How can you trust someone who lies to you?

Are you saying you trust a man who was negotiating business with Russia to protect us from Russia? Does that make any sense to you?

And you wanted us to elect Hillary?

 

[Moderate Right]

On the day of President Obama's inauguration, the republicans were already plotting to get rid of him. The first attempt was just minutes after he was sworn in. The Faux News grubs were screeching that President Obama didn't recite the oath correctly. They had to swear him in again the next day to shut these deplorable grubs up.

When that didn't work, they began their birther campaign. trump jumped on that racist train and didn't stop for EIGHT YEARS.

And then we learned that McConnell directed all the republicans to vote AGAINST EVERYTHING President Obama wanted to do. Even if it was to HELP Americans, the republicans were ordered to vote against it. The republicans were DESPERATE to get rid of President Obama.

They wanted him impeached when he forgot to wear a flag pin, wore a tan suit, put his feet up on the oval office desk, forgot to wear a jacket in the oval office, didn't put his hand on his heart during the national anthem, didn't have the bible on the official presidents card etc etc etc.

So all you whining trumpsters please SHUT the f UP!!!

On the day of President Trump's election victory, the Democrats were already plotting to get rid of him. So, you admit it is a bunch of horse nonsense, merely paybacks. Well, I agree with that.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

None of what you stated is against the law.

It wouldn't be against the law for Trump to sit in bed all day and watch porn but it would be grounds for impeachment.

If endangering national security by secretly negotiating deals with Russians isn't grounds for impeachment then what is?

Crimes are nothing compared to this. I would rather have a crooked president stealing money from Americans than a crooked president who is working with a hostile foreign power to make his money.

This is the height of absurdity. Remember that scene in 300 where the senator is caught with Persian coins after he's been promoting better relations with Persia? Imagine if they said, "Well, it's not illegal to take money from Persia."

We have really entered the realm of the absurd. Trump should resign.

 

[SoCal]

You trust someone who lied to you and had his lawyer lie to Congress? How can you trust someone who lies to you?

Are you saying you trust a man who was negotiating business with Russia to protect us from Russia? Does that make any sense to you?

I wonder if the folks who can ignore the lies and still trust trump, would trust him alone with their 17 year old daughters...

 

[Fletch]

What's cuckoo is that 1/3 of Americans are don't care that POTUS was making deals with Russia while pushing for better relations with them. Any other politician would be forced to resign. But because Trump supporters behave more like cult members, he's still in office compromising our national security.

Trump cares about Trump, not America. For Trump, it's money before patriotism.

I guess for you it's partisanship before country.

We already have a process for replacing presidents we dont like in this country. Its called elections. He isnt going to resign. He isnt going to be impeached. He is either going to win in 2020 or he is going to lose. You authoring the 50th "When will Trump resign?" thread wont change that.

 

[Fletch]

I wonder if the folks who can ignore the lies and still trust trump, would trust him alone with their 17 year old daughters...

I would trust him over Bill Clinton

 

[Parrish]

I would trust him over Bill Clinton

Bill never said if Chelsea wasn't his daughter he'd date her (read: that as have sex with her .)

 

[SoCal]

I would trust him over Bill Clinton

You have a point, but one lied about an affair with a consenting adult, the other prefers watching underage girls undress and brags about sexual assault.

It's a question of degree, like impeaching president for lying about sex verses defending a president working with our enemies to subvert an election...

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

We already have a process for replacing presidents we dont like in this country. Its called elections. He isnt going to resign. He isnt going to be impeached. He is either going to win in 2020 or he is going to lose. You authoring the 50th "When will Trump resign?" thread wont change that.

How can you have a country where the leader is working for a hostile power?

Watch this video as Trump makes the case for Russia being let back in the G7 or G8. Remember that while he's saying this Russia knows that Cohen lied to Congress about the extent of his involvement with Russia. It's obvious to any rational person that Trump is putting his own business ahead of the safety America and its allies. And for that he should be removed. How can you possibly disagree with that? It's time to decide whether you're loyal to a man or your country.

 

[slick]

What's cuckoo is that 1/3 of Americans are don't care that POTUS was making deals with Russia while pushing for better relations with them. Any other politician would be forced to resign. But because Trump supporters behave more like cult members, he's still in office compromising our national security.

Trump cares about Trump, not America. For Trump, it's money before patriotism.

I guess for you it's partisanship before country.

I can see why the Democrats, their partners in crime Comey, McCabe, Strzok of the FBI along with allies in the MSM
would put forth the narrative you bought into. I guess if they had an audience of say 100 even if their assumption
is dubious, they'll be a few sluggish minds that by into such deceptions.

So in other words Trump who has buildings in 23 countries & assets in many more get's his team together & suggests
' Look we are having trouble with these Moscovites about the Tower we are eager to build in Moscow, I bet if
I become president Putin will have more respect for us & not only will he OK our venture he actually will give us a
better deal.'

You're suggesting that Trump, who paid for most of his primary run by himself, & didn't ask for donations
until the general election against Hillary which he needed because even though he won she was able to
spend over three time the amount Trump was able to, simply became president too enrich himself when at
time even Forbes put him among the richest of the rich. Now I'll agree that many go into politics to enrich
themselves Clinton & Obama for sure, not Trump.

 

[Acadia]

Bill never said if Chelsea wasn't his daughter he'd date her (read: that as have sex with her .)

Chelsea must be so proud of her dad!:doh

 

[Parrish]

Chelsea must be so proud of her dad!:doh

Yep. No woman ever wants her father to say he'd like to have sex with her.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

So in other words Trump who has buildings in 23 countries & assets in many more get's his team together & suggests
' Look we are having trouble with these Moscovites about the Tower we are eager to build in Moscow, I bet if
I become president Putin will have more respect for us & not only will he OK our venture he actually will give us a
better deal.'

If you want to do business in Russia, you have to play nice with Putin. Do you agree?

It's not that if Trump is president Putin will OK the deal. It's that if Trump pisses Putin off there will be no deal ever. When you consider what an important market Russia is for Trump and his family it becomes clear that Trump needs to stay on Putin's good side.

This explains why Trump has been kissing Putin's butt for so long...

 

[Acadia]

Yep. No woman ever wants her father to say he'd like to have sex with her.

No daughter would ever want her father getting oral from a female intern, who could be her own sister, in the other side of the house she and her mother live in.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

No daughter would ever want her father getting oral from a female intern, who could be her own sister, in the other side of the house she and her mother live in.

Sadly, the American people are in the next room while Trump gets on his knees to please Putin. But you're OK with that.

 

[Acadia]

Sadly, the American people are in the next room while Trump gets on his knees to please Putin. But you're OK with that.

I just love the Left's go-to homosexual slurs. Never disappoints.
When you can't refute or counter a point, that's your first line of defense. "Hey, gay sex! Hey, gay men doing what gay men do! Hey, let's use the LBGTQ community as a punchline!"

It's so...evolved.

 

[slick]

If you want to do business in Russia, you have to play nice with Putin. Do you agree?

It's not that if Trump is president Putin will OK the deal. It's that if Trump pisses Putin off there will be no deal ever. When you consider what an important market Russia is for Trump and his family it becomes clear that Trump needs to stay on Putin's good side.

This explains why Trump has been kissing Putin's butt for so long...

Did you ever consider that Trump felt about Russia/Ukraine affair in a different way than the prevalent view expoused
by the neo-cons like McCain & Victoria Nuland which has which has since become USA policy. That is:

US War Propaganda simple slogans for 2014.
1. Putin is Hitler.
2. Russia invaded Ukraine.
3. Putin wants to reassemble the Soviet Union.
Hitler would be proud of US Propaganda

Briefly, The Maidan revolution was about bringing democracy to Ukraine...or something. Right? This alienated the people
of Donetsk and Lugansk who, having a president THEY voted for, rather thought Ukraine had a democracy already.
East Ukraine, at this point, got it's taste of the new "Ukrainian democracy and freedom" and found they did not care for it.

Russia seeing what was happening when the new government began to militarily stem the rebellion especially in Odessa
decided to back the Russian speaking Slavic lands of the east, hardly an invasion.

If Russia truly wanted to invade Ukraine they would be at the Dneiper River
within a week & be at Lviv the real heartland of the coup within a fortnight.
Russia merely aided the 3 eastern provinces.

So as I see it Trump trying cool things off with Russia was the pragmatic thing to do. The estblishment fought
Trump at every turn & knowing he was swimming upstream on this matter Trump relented.
The problem with straining the Russian relationship is that Russia gave up hoping for better relationships with
the USA is now cozyingup to China. Russia & China as allies is not good for the USA Trump realized that
not many other politicians do!

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Did you ever consider that Trump felt about Russia/Ukraine affair in a different way than the prevalent view expoused
by the neo-cons like McCain & Victoria Nuland which has which has since become USA policy.

Hmm....let's see.

Trump, billionaire real estate brander and licenser wants better relations with Russia because:

A. He thinks it's better for Ameria and the world.

B. He signed a letter of intent to build a tower with his name on it and he think he could make money if he's good to Putin.


Here's the reality of Russia. Putin is arguably the richest man in the world. If Putin gives you his OK you can make billions. Russia is Trump's biggest business opportunity. With Putin's blessing, he could get Russian loans to build huge projects that will earn him billions.

If you honestly believe that Trump is cozying up to Russia for the greater good then you are extremely extremely gullible. Trump is all about Trump.

 

[slick]

Hmm....let's see.

Trump, billionaire real estate brander and licenser wants better relations with Russia because:

A. He thinks it's better for Ameria and the world.

B. He signed a letter of intent to build a tower with his name on it and he think he could make money if he's good to Putin.


Here's the reality of Russia. Putin is arguably the richest man in the world. If Putin gives you his OK you can make billions. Russia is Trump's biggest business opportunity. With Putin's blessing, he could get Russian loans to build huge projects that will earn him billions.

If you honestly believe that Trump is cozying up to Russia for the greater good then you are extremely extremely gullible. Trump is all about Trump.

Stick to your version, I'll stick to mine. I think you'll realize I'm correct , downstream!

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Stick to your version, I'll stick to mine. I think you'll realize I'm correct , downstream!

My version is based on the reality of Trump's behavior and his need to lie to cover up his actions. My reality is based on the fact that Trump has been trying to do business in Russia for years before he became president and kissng Putin's butt for years.

Why didn't Trump just tell voters that he was working on a deal to build a tower in Russia? You and I both know that he didn't tell everyone because it would have looked to voters like he's in bed with Putin. Do you deny that's why he lied to voters and that's w hy Cohen was asked to lie to Congress?

Now you want us to believe that it's all innocent. They lied and committed crimes to cover up something perfectly legal and innocent.

It's party before country for you.

 

[Fletch]

Bill never said if Chelsea wasn't his daughter he'd date her (read: that as have sex with her .)

You have a point, but one lied about an affair with a consenting adult, the other prefers watching underage girls undress and brags about sexual assault.

It's a question of degree, like impeaching president for lying about sex verses defending a president working with our enemies to subvert an election...

Where was Trump when he said those things?

 

[Parrish]

Where was Trump when he said those things?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diMp241gAcw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diMp241gAcw

 

[OlNate]

Well clearly YOU have an active imagination.

The rest of us will continue to view things more realistically, i.e. when allegations and accusations are proven criminal via evidence leading to a conviction in a court of law, then we can react with proper outrage.

This 2 year stint of constant progressive-left poutage must be getting tiresome for you. I know it bores me. :coffeepap:

I admire your courage. This is not a dig, I truly do. For a smart guy like you to remain smug, when this guy looks shady AF, and shadier every day, is quite the gamble, as if it all comes crashing down I know you'd feel it more than the mouth pieces who just regurgitate without giving much thought to any of it. I'd hate to be across for you on a poker table, as clearly you have no problem pushing all in with a 7-2. :lol:

 

[Captain Adverse]

I admire your courage. This is not a dig, I truly do. For a smart guy like you to remain smug, when this guy looks shady AF, and shadier every day, is quite the gamble, as if it all comes crashing down I know you'd feel it more than the mouth pieces who just regurgitate without giving much thought to any of it. I'd hate to be across for you on a poker table, as clearly you have no problem pushing all in with a 7-2. :lol:

I appreciate the back-handed compliment.

However, you should know by now that I am a firm supporter of the "innocent until proven guilty" ideology. I refuse to give credence to speculation, preferring to wait and see what actually happens.

I also believe that much of what is happening with Trump is firmly based in a deep resentment among many American's who had their worldview shattered by his election.

IMO they have decided that he won by cheating somehow, and are willing to do anything, supporting action by any means necessary to punish him for winning.

That does not mean I am immune to his faults, he has many. However, on pain of being accused of "whataboutism" (the new defense of against any attempt to compare him with similarities to past "idols") so did past President's and other major government leaders.

Still, IMO he is exactly what I expected him to be, and I see all the efforts to destroy him and stymie his efforts to accomplish his stated goals for what they are, examples of underlying animus seeking his political and social destruction.