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Trump says US gets rare earth minerals from China in trade deal, tariffs on Chinese goods go to 55%

stealthycat said:
you think its an elaborate lie ?

then you need to prove that - you cannot trust/believe everything the Govt says ONLY when your political party is in office

that's very partisan, narrow minded and actually dishonest imo
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No one, Republican or Democrat has lied more than Trump. Never before, Republican or Democrat could we not trust our president.
 
CaughtInThe said:
China made like three major promises to Trump during his first term, just to get him off their jock, and then never came through.

Why do idiots believe this liar? What's missing in their brains?
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Trump really ****ed up last time. This time seems like it will be a bigger win than ever for China.
 
ncguy said:
Show me the signed specifics
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its all an illusion !!!! lol

show me proof Joe Biden was REALLY signing using e-signature ..... you can't

you believe it though, don't you ?
 
stealthycat said:
its all an illusion !!!! lol

show me proof Joe Biden was REALLY signing using e-signature ..... you can't

you believe it though, don't you ?
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Prove that he wasn't.
 
stealthycat said:
then prove this deal isn't real

fair is fair
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I haven't said it isn't. I said I will believe it when I see it.

Which shouldn't take more than a month to resolve itself.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I haven't said it isn't. I said I will believe it when I see it.
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and how is that different ?

you don't believe it until you get 100% hard proof ?

ok, where is the 100% hard proof Biden used the e-signature and not others ? you gotta have proof, right ?
 
stealthycat said:
and how is that different ?

you don't believe it until you get 100% hard proof ?
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I will believe it when I see it happen.
stealthycat said:
ok, where is the 100% hard proof Biden used the e-signature and not others ? you gotta have proof, right ?
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Nope. You're making the extraordinary claim, you back it up.
 
stealthycat said:
its all an illusion !!!! lol

show me proof Joe Biden was REALLY signing using e-signature ..... you can't

you believe it though, don't you ?
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You are bragging about something that is a concept only lol
 
CaughtInThe said:
China made like three major promises to Trump during his first term, just to get him off their jock, and then never came through.

Why do idiots believe this liar? What's missing in their brains?
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First, it is absurd to suppose one can make a "deal" over something that cannot be unarguably verified on a timely basis. Suspicion over stealing technology or US secrets is both inferential and delayed. By the time the US finds out for sure, their products and weapons are on the market years later.

Second, access to markets is almost equally difficult to prove as numerous regulations, process delays, and excuses can be invented and again, only later, determined to have been without merit.

Third, the bottom line is they will or they won't. If they do not it is only after the fact that we can "punish" China by buying less, which is also punishing ourselves.

My view is that EXCEPT for strategic industries (eg chip manufacturing) we should take advantage of their willingness to sell us anything at low prices. Trade deficits don't matter.
 
stealthycat said:
and how is that different ?

you don't believe it until you get 100% hard proof ?

ok, where is the 100% hard proof Biden used the e-signature and not others ? you gotta have proof, right ?
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Sure it's different.

Regarding Trump we don't even have a written deal or a signature of any type.

Regarding Bidens orders we have a written executive order and a signature.

When Trump releases a written deal with the signatures of both parties, and someone wants proof Trump signed or authorized it - well, then you can carp that its ridiculous to require 100 percent proof.
 
stealthycat said:
lefties aren't having a good weeks

trade deals made, LA rioting being handled because Newsom/Democrats can't ...... ughhh
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Well, it's not made yet and nothing laid out thus far is a "win" since it's basically a return to the status quo except with a 55% tariff on Chinese imports that consumers will be affected by. Oh, and we get rare earth minerals like we were getting before, and Chinese students can come back to US universities like they were before. It's hard to claim this as a victory when it's essentially undoing the idiocy done by starting a trade war with China.
 
Regarding the Chinese students, I chuckled at his social media post announcing the "deal" where he stated Chinese students can come back to US universities and it was something he never had a problem with. So much for the security threat. This reminds me of his flip flopping on TikTok, where one day it should be banned because it's a security threat and not too long after we should not enforce the legislation to ban it.
 
Trump supporters are the most gullible people on the planet thinking Trump is doing anything useful.
 
Jim Kramer, here-to-fore a tariff advocate has strongly distanced himself from the Trump, shoot from the hip, tariff war. For some time he has stressed that Trump is chaotic and completely adrift in impulsive policy making.

And like some of us, we are shocked he'd go into a fight over rare earth minerals BEFORE we have developed any of our own, or developed other sources.

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I'm still trying to get a sense of how to characterize this deal, particularly in the context of all that's happening with the US and other trading partners. It seems like this isn't really intended to be a long-term deal but like the previous pause, both sides are using this as a way to calm tensions but are still feeling each other out.

China and the US are basically giving each other time to feel more pain and seeing which side buckles first. Both sides might be willing to give some ground periodically, as their situation dictates. Xi believes that the pressure of elections is going to force Trump to submit, and similarly, Trump/MAGA believes that disruption to China's exports will lead to an unemployment crisis that it will have to respond to, which kind of explains why allowing Chinese students to attend school in the US is relevant in all this, at least from the US side, though I think these students would be studying abroad somewhere.

It looks like we will have access to Chinese rare earths for six months, but that's not going to give us nearly enough time to develop processing infrastructure -- that takes years, even if we build it at Manhattan Project speed/scale. China seems to be attaching conditions, though, requesting sensitive IP data from the companies who purchase/use their rare earths.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I will believe it when I see it happen.

Nope. You're making the extraordinary claim, you back it up.
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you've proven that with Trump you need hard actual facts presented by anyone other than Trump or associated with Trump

but with Biden you believed anything they said, the party said or liberal media said without any proof at all


which is what I thought
 
Sidd Finch said:
"Trump says _____________." and, an idiot believes him.
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Yep. It's so easy to see who our halfwits are. They stand up and scream it at the top of their lungs, pointing at themselves, with a shirt that reads "Moron" and an arrow pointing upward and with a hat that reads "Idiot" with an arrow pointing downward.
 
TangoNoCash said:
He has taken a record amount of tax money from Americans. Probably the biggest tax increase in many many years.
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And he got away with it by giving it another name and telling the rubes it was great.

The rubes nodded and shuffled into traffic again.
 
stealthycat said:
lefties aren't having a good weeks

trade deals made, LA rioting being handled because Newsom/Democrats can't ...... ughhh
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Has China even acknowledged the “framework” yet? Trump’s lips are moving so he likely lying like he always does.
 
When dumdum needs a headline, he'll say anything.
 
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