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Question for the left: Would you accept Trump's resignation, even if the Mueller probe finds he didn't violate any laws, in exchange for D Jr not being indicted for anything?
 

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he will not resign. why are you worried about Donald Trump Junior?
 

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Question for the left: Would you accept Trump's resignation, even if the Mueller probe finds he didn't violate any laws, in exchange for D Jr not being indicted for anything?

No, this time there HAS to be consequences. Mueller will NOT find Trump innocent of wrongdoing. If people aren't indicted and tried, we've failed as a nation and it is just us circling the drain. We already know he's guilty of serious campaign violations, you guys keep using a false equivelency with Obama and Edwards, but neither situation is the same.

Then there's the overcharging on the inauguration, 40 million missing, and we KNOW Ivanka is guilty there (investigation ongoing), and we also know TRump Sr. knows everything that goes on, which makes him guilty as the rest of them. NO, people need to bleed here, if the rule of law is to mean a damn thing going forward.

Just becasue you're in denial of Trump's crimes does not make them go away.:roll:
 

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No, this time there HAS to be consequences. Mueller will NOT find Trump innocent of wrongdoing. If people aren't indicted and tried, we've failed as a nation and it is just us circling the drain. We already know he's guilty of serious campaign violations, you guys keep using a false equivelency with Obama and Edwards, but neither situation is the same.

Then there's the overcharging on the inauguration, 40 million missing, and we KNOW Ivanka is guilty there (investigation ongoing), and we also know TRump Sr. knows everything that goes on, which makes him guilty as the rest of them. NO, people need to bleed here, if the rule of law is to mean a damn thing going forward.

Just becasue you're in denial of Trump's crimes does not make them go away.:roll:

Know?

Suspect.

Until the investigation completes and charges are filed.
 

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he will not resign. why are you worried about Donald Trump Junior?

SIAP. Because YOU are worried about JR. Yes, I can be flippant at times.
 

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Question for the left: Would you accept Trump's resignation, even if the Mueller probe finds he didn't violate any laws, in exchange for D Jr not being indicted for anything?

The left and the Trump haters: "**** NO!!"
 

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...Would you accept Trump's resignation, even if the Mueller probe finds he didn't violate any laws, in exchange for D Jr not being indicted for anything?

Why would anyone answer that question at this stage? We don't have enough information to know what case/charges against Don, Jr. are likely and likely prosecutable.
 

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Question for the left: Would you accept Trump's resignation, even if the Mueller probe finds he didn't violate any laws, in exchange for D Jr not being indicted for anything?

If it happens today - GLADLY!!!!!

Trump himself would never agree to it as he would throw anyone including his family under the bus to save or benefit himself.
 

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Question for the left: Would you accept Trump's resignation, even if the Mueller probe finds he didn't violate any laws, in exchange for D Jr not being indicted for anything?

Why the assumption of innocents or even the assumption of guilt by the left? Why even think about Trump resigning? We don't know what Mueller will find. I heard from day on from those on the left that Mueller has enough on Trump to put him in Leavenworth for the rest of his life. From the right, Mueller has nothing but white collar crimes committed by some of his associates prior to the campaign. Which is right? Not a single one of us knows.

Whatever Mueller finds out, one side or the other will be mighty disappointed. Granted that Trump is a very easy man to dislike with his obnoxious, uncouth personality, his unseemly character. But does that deserve the united political vindictiveness thrown at him without, so far, an ounce of proof? Proof only Mueller can supply.

I don't like that our politics has turned into personal destruction at any cost. Being neither pro or anti Trump, I seen the democrats set out to destroy Trump the day after the election. I'm sure the Republicans would have done the same thing to Hillary Clinton had she won. This is sowing the seeds of this nation's destruction.
 

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Question for the left: Would you accept Trump's resignation, even if the Mueller probe finds he didn't violate any laws, in exchange for D Jr not being indicted for anything?

I don't really expect Trump to actually go to prison. So, a resignation would be acceptable if he directed Don Jr. to lie to Congress.

We know that Don Jr. lied to Congress for his father.

Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told CNN Friday she believes Donald Trump Jr. lied to the committee on at least two occasions, which would constitute a felony.

Dem lawmaker: Trump Jr. lied to Congress on two occasions
 

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No, this time there HAS to be consequences. Mueller will NOT find Trump innocent of wrongdoing. If people aren't indicted and tried, we've failed as a nation and it is just us circling the drain. We already know he's guilty of serious campaign violations, you guys keep using a false equivelency with Obama and Edwards, but neither situation is the same.

Then there's the overcharging on the inauguration, 40 million missing, and we KNOW Ivanka is guilty there (investigation ongoing), and we also know TRump Sr. knows everything that goes on, which makes him guilty as the rest of them. NO, people need to bleed here, if the rule of law is to mean a damn thing going forward.

Just becasue you're in denial of Trump's crimes does not make them go away.:roll:

What about you guys always asking the right about what they know about the Mueller Investigation since it hasn't been completed or released yet? How do you know Trump is guilty of anything? Oh yeah, that's right. It's just your OPINION.
 

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Know?

Suspect.

Until the investigation completes and charges are filed.

Well, according to the DOJ policy , charges can not be filed against a sitting president, although they can be impeached. That statement is saying 'No matter what the evidence, we can only suspect'. That is false.
 

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Not the left, but the answer to your question is yes.

In other words, you would accept the resignation of someone who has done nothing illegal just to get rid of him?
 

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The publicly known evidence is extremely compelling. Mueller will have more.

If it was so compelling then Mueller should have gotten Trump a long time ago. Everything else is just your fantasy.
 

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In a vacuum:
What does one have to do with the other? He can resign any time he wants, no one is gonna stop him.
If he wants to cooperate with prosecutors, he may get a deal for Jr., just like Flynn did for his kid.
Trump can work with the system that exists, why would they need to carve out some special deal where he simply resigns, to get him and his family out of all legal trouble, some of which may have helped him steal the 2016 election that caused all the problems in the first place? No kid gloves for Trump, he has obstructed and avoided cooperation, I think he should be treated in kind, just like any one of us.

In reality:
He has near presidential immunity, and pardon power, and he's dumb enough to abuse both to flee justice. In theory he could also resign and get everyone pardoned, but that's a choice Pence would have to make, and he may not be so inclined...it's a gamble. He could pardon everyone, and fight it out, but he'd risk indictment out of office. If a Democrat won in 2020, he'd be flapping in the wind potentially. Can he pardon himself?
Because of these extraordinary circumstances, that a sitting President has enough power to steal a presidential election through criminal activity in cooperation with a foreign adversary, and can get away with it....they may indeed try to craft such a deal.

Regardless, we should fix the presidency for future generations to ensure that:
- the president fears breaking the law like everyone else
- the president's pardon powers are limited
- legitimate oversight of a president is not dependent on who has a majority in congress
- Senate can't **** over a president by refusing to allow nomination hearings on their court picks
- Presidential candidates have to undergo an extensive FBI background check prior to being eligible to be a presidential candidate.
- nepotism in the White House is more restricted
 

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Why would anyone answer that question at this stage? We don't have enough information to know what case/charges against Don, Jr. are likely and likely prosecutable.

It's just a question. Why would anyone say that they know Mueller is going to get Trump when they don't have enough information to know the case? In fact, I clearly asked that if Mueller finds Trump didn't do anything illegal, would they accept Trump's resignation to save D Jr, assuming Jr actually did something illegal?
 

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If it happens today - GLADLY!!!!!

Trump himself would never agree to it as he would throw anyone including his family under the bus to save or benefit himself.

In other words, you are admitting that you would take Trump's resignation, even if he broke no laws? That's how biased you are.
 

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In other words, you are admitting that you would take Trump's resignation, even if he broke no laws? That's how biased you are.

He knowingly appointed a secret agent of a nation that is hostile to the US as his National Security Advisor. That alone is worthy of impeachment.
 

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In other words, you would accept the resignation of someone who has done nothing illegal just to get rid of him?

I didn't realize that illegality was the only reason to accept a resignation.
 

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Why the assumption of innocents or even the assumption of guilt by the left? Why even think about Trump resigning? We don't know what Mueller will find. I heard from day on from those on the left that Mueller has enough on Trump to put him in Leavenworth for the rest of his life. From the right, Mueller has nothing but white collar crimes committed by some of his associates prior to the campaign. Which is right? Not a single one of us knows.

Whatever Mueller finds out, one side or the other will be mighty disappointed. Granted that Trump is a very easy man to dislike with his obnoxious, uncouth personality, his unseemly character. But does that deserve the united political vindictiveness thrown at him without, so far, an ounce of proof? Proof only Mueller can supply.

I don't like that our politics has turned into personal destruction at any cost. Being neither pro or anti Trump, I seen the democrats set out to destroy Trump the day after the election. I'm sure the Republicans would have done the same thing to Hillary Clinton had she won. This is sowing the seeds of this nation's destruction.

I was kind of curious how many lefties would applaud Trump resigning, even if he had broken no laws, which would be a very sad comment on society.
 
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