Trump Rating

[calamity]

Back when conservatives had some brains.
True, they pissed me off a lot back then, too but I had to respect them more!
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That's why I call bull**** on any atheist who professes to be a modern day republican. The two are oxymoron.

 

[Dogger807]

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

Trump has done some serious damage to this country. We are shedding allies, like a duck sheds water. Think about it for a second,, a country that is not our friend wanted Trump to win the election. That by itself should raise all kinds of red flags, whether they actually helped getting him elected or not.

I can not put into words how apprehensive this president makes me.

That said, I forced myself to sit down and think of anything positive that ma have come from this over grown child we have as a leader. Surprisingly, I had three things that came to mind.

1) This one is iffy but I hope it holds true. I've heard several of the younger generation say things along the line of "I am never not gonna vote again as long as I live." Grammar aside, this statement brings me hope for the future. I realize that it may go the way of a new year's resolution, but it does give hope all the same.

2) I can't see any foreign groups trying anything major while this president sits. They understand that he wouldn't give a damn over violating another country's sovereignty to strike at anything that insults him. He would see any attack as an insult and an opportunity to excite his base. Give him half a reason and he'd turn the middle east into a glass parking lot.

3) Yeah, he pretty much proved that the people supporting him can't spot and/or refuse to admit they see a lair. These are the same people who fanatically argue that God is real. That and he removed any moral high ground the evangelicals thought they had. His term in office is going to have the same effect in America that the catholic church covering for pedophiles had in Europe.

 

[Pedestrian]

Part Hunger Games, part Handmaid's Tale.
If we're only arguing the degree to which each of these twin dragons are loosed upon the body politic, we're normalizing it the way a drug addict normalizes their addiction.

Well the sociologist understands it's a very dangerous criminal world including most govts. too. It would take a citizen's uprising unprecedented
in world history in the west...to stop this. It can be slowed and has but all I can think of eventually...is soylent green,

 

[Zyphlin]

Pretty much exactly as I expected.

A lot of idiotic tweets and horrendous public statements/actions.
Nonstop fighting with media/democrats/foreign politicians/republicans/anyone that disagrees with him
Bravado and aggression when it comes to foreign policy
Some stupid protectionist and nationalist policy endeavors
Push for big spending
Some support for conservative policy endeavors in various issues
Good SCOTUS nominations
Rigorous enforcement of immigration law
Show a willingness to move to the Democratic side of things if they end up winning the congress back or if Republicans end up stonewalling him on some things

He's been pretty much exactly as I anticipated and expected as a President.

 

[vesper]

I voted better than expected.
Change in policies put in place by the previous administration that I personally felt were poor choices are being turned around.

Taxes have been cut, regulations slashed, the economy is growing, wage growth, unemployment is at its lowest level, Justice Gorsuch on the SC, excellent jurists being confirmed in the lower courts, ISIS is backpedaling, the Iran deal is finished, North and South Korea have met, the hostages have come home, because of negotiations there hasn't been a missile fired in NK for nine months bringing stability to the region, ANWR has been open for drilling, pipeline in the works, Federal landgrabs overturned, the embassy was moved to Jerusalem.


Not to shabby in just 18 months.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

So....what do you think of the president and his administration?

Trump has been a despicable human being his entire adult life. Thus his presidency has been exactly what I expected it to be.

 

[Howard the Duck]

The worst president in my life time. he is suppose to be the only president where cia, fbi, doj and media is out to get him for personal reasons. when Hillary was being investigated was it a witch hunt??? when reagan was being investigated was it a witch hunt? They said nothing to the media it was. they just let the investigation go its course ad testified in them

Have we actually seen Trump's birth certificate?

 

[Crosscheck]

Trump has been a despicable human being his entire adult life. Thus his presidency has been exactly what I expected it to be.

If there was a Hell I would expect Trump to be the greeter with that stupid grin.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Pretty much exactly as I expected.

A lot of idiotic tweets and horrendous public statements/actions.
Nonstop fighting with media/democrats/foreign politicians/republicans/anyone that disagrees with him
Bravado and aggression when it comes to foreign policy
Some stupid protectionist and nationalist policy endeavors
Push for big spending
Some support for conservative policy endeavors in various issues
Good SCOTUS nominations
Rigorous enforcement of immigration law
Show a willingness to move to the Democratic side of things if they end up winning the congress back or if Republicans end up stonewalling him on some things

He's been pretty much exactly as I anticipated and expected as a President.

Willingness to move to the Democratic side if they win back Congress?
That's the ultimate reality show script, and it's something Nancy Pelosi would swallow hook, line and sinker.
Make America Respectable Again, that's maybe the most important thing that we seem to have lost.
Nobody with any sense of history wants to transform a diverse, industrialized free society into a feral nest of poison moonbats, but that's what Trump appears to have enabled. So a scripted move to capitulate to the Democrats would be nothing more than another layer added to the Trump Reality Distortion Field.
I'm not suggesting that Democratic leadership cut their own nose off to spite his face, but I am suggesting that they not for even one second forget what they are dealing with. They're dealing with a virus.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I honestly thought he was more intelligent that he actually is. I also thought that his ego is so large that he would try to be a consensus builder. Instead, he has just doubled down with his 28% base and has catered to their whims. I guess if his ego can be stroked by crowds of 10k, he doesn't need the approval of the rest of America.

The good people of the heartland have always prided themselves on being wary of the city slicker con artists but the reality is, they got taken in by the biggest baddest city slicker con man to ever walk down the pike, and they're having a bit of difficulty admitting it because they're addicted to the fact that he gives license to their basemost instincts, which makes them feel empowered for once in their lives.
Never mind the fact that giving free rein to one's basemost instincts is the very recipe for eternal damnation set forth in their scriptures...it feels so damn good that they won't even stop when they need glasses.
Trump is their Prime Masturbator.
They are locked in a reverie, waiting for Trump's Happy Ending, so that they too can finally come.

And it's a national disgrace.

 

[Nap]

I had incredibly low expectations so the fact we aren't in a full scale war yet due to him saying something ridiculous means he is doing better than expected, at least from my perspective.

 

[Zyphlin]

Willingness to move to the Democratic side if they win back Congress?

I 100% believe that and various things he said have continued to make me believe it.

If the Democrats win control, I would not be shocked if we see legislation on gun control, DACA in some form (Sans a wall or some kind of significant larger immigration action), massive infrastructure public works projects, and some kind of expansion on healthcare. Trump likes "winning" and if he has to shift around some things to continue to "Win", but still can pass it off in some kind of nationalist/populist fashion that he trusts he can sell to his slurping base, I definitely think he will do it. He's given enough hints on those areas during the campaign, and even in his presidency, to lead me to believe that he'd definitely get on board if the political landscape changed.

 

[antiquity]

I didn't want to taint the poll, so I'll voice my opinion in a separate post.

Trump--disaster
Pence--disappointing
Sessions--bigger disaster than even Trump
Flynn--20 year prison sentence sounds fair
Everyone from Spice to Mooch to Sanders--OMG
Rex, Kelly and Mad Dog--hey, he did something right
Munchkin, DeVoss and Bolton--and then he ****ed up again.

I can counter the above with one word...HILLARY!

 

[WillyPete]

I've said it many a time, but if you look at what Trump did in Atlantic City with his casino bust-outs, none of this is a surprise.

He's an amoral scumbag by choice.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

Trump has done some serious damage to this country. We are shedding allies, like a duck sheds water. Think about it for a second,, a country that is not our friend wanted Trump to win the election. That by itself should raise all kinds of red flags, whether they actually helped getting him elected or not.

I can not put into words how apprehensive this president makes me.

That said, I forced myself to sit down and think of anything positive that ma have come from this over grown child we have as a leader. Surprisingly, I had three things that came to mind.


2) I can't see any foreign groups trying anything major while this president sits. They understand that he wouldn't give a damn over violating another country's sovereignty to strike at anything that insults him. He would see any attack as an insult and an opportunity to excite his base. Give him half a reason and he'd turn the middle east into a glass parking lot.

Re: #2...there comes a point where the entire world gets together to defeat a common foe.
That was already proven eighty years ago.
I shudder to think what our fate would be if 45 decides to ignite another Shock and Awe campaign simply as salve to his wounded ego, because in the end we all know that, instead of responding correctly to a misdeed, Trump would outdo Bush43 and lay waste to the victims.

Take Iran, for example. Most people recognize that the Iranian people actually like the West, and even like America and Americans.
They don't trust our government but they have affection and respect for the American people, for the most part.
Trump, and BOLTON, are both itching and eager for the slightest excuse to go to war with Iran. They'd launch a preemptive strike in the next ten minutes if they thought they could, without the slightest thought as to the humanitarian crisis that it would create.

Governments aside, we're already short on friends in the Middle East, and Asia. No matter how much they like Americans, no matter how corrupt and how repressive their own leadership happens to be, if we attack Iran, they'll back their man. They proved it with Ahmadinejad.
He was a crazy lunatic, but he was their crazy lunatic. And if we lose the Iranian people, we can pretty much hang it up in the region, and the Iranian people will forever wed themselves to Putin's Russia. Worse than that, a Trump war with Iran would be the ultimate in a show of power but it would be utterly lacking in a focused goal, or a plan to deal with the aftermath, even if we were to be victorious, thus it would open the mother of all power vacuums in the region, something which would be irresistible for the Russians and the Chinese.
And given 45's debt to Putin and his cronies, he would be unwilling and unable to stare down Putin should such an unspeakable betrayal occur.

Outcome? The Russians would own us lock, stock and barrel, and there wouldn't be a thing we could do about it short of a mutual nuclear annihilation, which would never come. We'd be locked in a stalemate.
And once that happens, it's entirely possible that a fairly large chunk of the unaffiliated world would indeed mass together to finish us off, if not by bombs and bullets, then economically at the very least. The United States, what would be left of it, would be quarantined, and since he's already alienated the NATO countries, they would naturally do what's in their own best interest, make an effort to make the best of a bad situation and survive without us.

And Trump Republicans in the South would "welcome the Russians as liberators" with flowers and songs in their honor, as the old neocon saying goes.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Well the sociologist understands it's a very dangerous criminal world including most govts. too. It would take a citizen's uprising unprecedented
in world history in the west...to stop this. It can be slowed and has but all I can think of eventually...is soylent green,

We are currently at 11:49 PM on the sectarian violence countdown clock right now.

 

[Moderate Right]

So....what do you think of the president and his administration?

I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries or the general. Frankly, I was very worried about him although I am deeply indebted to him for beating Hillary and liberal policies, which would have destroyed America. Since I was worried about him and didn't expect much, he is doing far, far better than I expected. I hate his big mouth and all the stupid stuff that comes out of it along with his tweets but I ignore all that and judge him by his performance and his performance is, well, better than I expected so that's the way I voted. I'm actually surprised that liberals don't actually vote this way also because they expected nothing from Trump at all so it would seem to me it would be pretty hard for them to vote worse than expected but, then again, Trump has been flushing liberal policies down the toilet and I can certainly understand why liberals wouldn't like that.

 

[Moderate Right]

I honestly thought he was more intelligent that he actually is. I also thought that his ego is so large that he would try to be a consensus builder. Instead, he has just doubled down with his 28% base and has catered to their whims. I guess if his ego can be stroked by crowds of 10k, he doesn't need the approval of the rest of America.

Trump has a different kind of intelligence called instinct. I doubt he would do very well on an IQ test but his instinct knows what it's doing. He knows how to get things done and he knows how to win (certainly you can't deny that, can you?). During that process he uses many different kinds of tactics including bullying and name calling and what have you. You have to judge Trump by the bottom line, not by what he's doing to get there. His bottom line has been great unless you are a liberal and you watch him flush liberal policies down the toilet. But, you didn't really expect him to run as a Republican conservative and be a liberal president, did you?

 

[Moderate Right]

I didn't want to taint the poll, so I'll voice my opinion in a separate post.

Trump--disaster
Pence--disappointing
Sessions--bigger disaster than even Trump
Flynn--20 year prison sentence sounds fair
Everyone from Spice to Mooch to Sanders--OMG
Rex, Kelly and Mad Dog--hey, he did something right
Munchkin, DeVoss and Bolton--and then he ****ed up again.

Didn't want to taint the poll? Aha.

 

[Moderate Right]

I first called tRump a fascist just weeks after he started his campaign in 2015. I have yet to receive a single reason to reconsider that position, now matter how much his loud minority of supporters howls to the contrary.

And we haven't even gotten to the part about his narcissism.

He's behaving just about as poorly as I expected.

Ummmmmmmmmm. It is the rabid left who have been doing the howling.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I 100% believe that and various things he said have continued to make me believe it.

If the Democrats win control, I would not be shocked if we see legislation on gun control, DACA in some form (Sans a wall or some kind of significant larger immigration action), massive infrastructure public works projects, and some kind of expansion on healthcare. Trump likes "winning" and if he has to shift around some things to continue to "Win", but still can pass it off in some kind of nationalist/populist fashion that he trusts he can sell to his slurping base, I definitely think he will do it. He's given enough hints on those areas during the campaign, and even in his presidency, to lead me to believe that he'd definitely get on board if the political landscape changed.

Speaking in terms of reality tee vee scripts, I think you're spot on, and there are a lot of you out there who agree.
And believe me, I've held the same discussion countless times with a lot of my personal political junkie friends.
This right here is well worth its own thread, and there are countless people much smarter than myself, you included, who I am eager to hear from on the subject.

Personally, I think it would spell the end for principles, respect, focus, morals, honor and the ability to secure the institutions which are the cornerstone of American society if we follow Mr. Barnum in his three ring circus act. And the Democratic Party itself would be every bit as finished as the Republicans if we did that.

Trump has spoken of infrastructure, but only in terms of an angle toward privatization, so there goes liberal principles right there. He'd let the infrastructure projects bloom but only if the oligarchs wind up owning it all.

Gun control? Never going to happen. And a good many liberals aren't interested in the "gun control" spoken of by the likes of our most shrill advocates, they just want common sense regulation. But Trump would pander to the Dianne Feinsteins and try to push for outright gun bans.
Thus the Democrats would once again make idiots of themselves, because the elite Dems already ignore the mainstream liberals as it is.
I'm a liberal, I own some guns, I am law abiding. I do not favor gun bans. In fact, I even think California (my home) needs to expand its castle doctrine a little bit, to include a person's shop, office or business, and I think that concealed carry should be loosened for law abiding people.

DACA? Trump would find a way to distort and corrupt the process so that it enriches the border to private prison pipeline, so DACA would come with a string attached, namely a forever cash cow for private prison owners to keep running their "detention centers". More inverted socialism for the wealthy slavemasters.

Healthcare? Trump would achieve his dream of privatizing the VA. My wife and millions of other disabled vets would get a voucher for a couple grand, a kick in the teeth, a nonfunctional "insurance card" and a great big "Thank you for your service!" The End.

So, is this something Democrats (liberals) want to accept and get behind? Not if we have any brain cells left in our heads.
Kill the virus, kill it with fire, kill it with impeachment and removal from office as soon as possible. End the nightmare.

 

[Moderate Right]

I 100% believe that and various things he said have continued to make me believe it.

If the Democrats win control, I would not be shocked if we see legislation on gun control, DACA in some form (Sans a wall or some kind of significant larger immigration action), massive infrastructure public works projects, and some kind of expansion on healthcare. Trump likes "winning" and if he has to shift around some things to continue to "Win", but still can pass it off in some kind of nationalist/populist fashion that he trusts he can sell to his slurping base, I definitely think he will do it. He's given enough hints on those areas during the campaign, and even in his presidency, to lead me to believe that he'd definitely get on board if the political landscape changed.

Trump wants a DACA fix. The far right doesn't and the Democrats refuse to make a wall part of the deal. Trump wants infrastructure but the left doesn't want Trump's infrastructure, they want one that goes directly onto the national debt. Trump wants better healthcare but, again, both the far right and Democrats are against what Trump wants. But, I do believe that Trump is libel to get more of what he wants if enough Democrats get on board to drown on the far right and make them irrelevant. But, again, if Democrats refuse to move out of their corner and make it a case of "their way or the highway" I don't think Trump will cave in very much. Democrats have to quit being obstructionists and I seriously doubt they will do it. Getting more control will only keep them in their corner and it will either be their way or the highway and no compromise and Trump will turn into the very same thing Obama was, a president who will say no. He's certainly not going to go into the 2020 elections caving into Democrats.

 

[Linc]

Speaking in terms of reality tee vee scripts, I think you're spot on, and there are a lot of you out there who agree.
And believe me, I've held the same discussion countless times with a lot of my personal political junkie friends.
This right here is well worth its own thread, and there are countless people much smarter than myself, you included, who I am eager to hear from on the subject.

Personally, I think it would spell the end for principles, respect, focus, morals, honor and the ability to secure the institutions which are the cornerstone of American society if we follow Mr. Barnum in his three ring circus act. And the Democratic Party itself would be every bit as finished as the Republicans if we did that.

Trump has spoken of infrastructure, but only in terms of an angle toward privatization, so there goes liberal principles right there. He'd let the infrastructure projects bloom but only if the oligarchs wind up owning it all.

Gun control? Never going to happen. And a good many liberals aren't interested in the "gun control" spoken of by the likes of our most shrill advocates, they just want common sense regulation. But Trump would pander to the Dianne Feinsteins and try to push for outright gun bans.
Thus the Democrats would once again make idiots of themselves, because the elite Dems already ignore the mainstream liberals as it is.
I'm a liberal, I own some guns, I am law abiding. I do not favor gun bans. In fact, I even think California (my home) needs to expand its castle doctrine a little bit, to include a person's shop, office or business, and I think that concealed carry should be loosened for law abiding people.

DACA? Trump would find a way to distort and corrupt the process so that it enriches the border to private prison pipeline, so DACA would come with a string attached, namely a forever cash cow for private prison owners to keep running their "detention centers". More inverted socialism for the wealthy slavemasters.

Healthcare? Trump would achieve his dream of privatizing the VA. My wife and millions of other disabled vets would get a voucher for a couple grand, a kick in the teeth, a nonfunctional "insurance card" and a great big "Thank you for your service!" The and End.

So, is this something Democrats (liberals) want to accept and get behind? Not if we have any brain cells left in our heads.
Kill the virus, kill it with fire, kill it with impeachment and removal from office as soon as possible. End the nightmare.

Quick pit stop — I will now ALWAYS show my driver’s license every time I buy anything, especially GROCERIES. :mrgreen:

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I've said it many a time, but if you look at what Trump did in Atlantic City with his casino bust-outs, none of this is a surprise.

He's an amoral scumbag by choice.

THIS ^^^^ right here, and a gazillion people along the East Coast have been saying it all along.

:applaud :applaud :applaud

 

[Linc]

Trump wants a DACA fix. The far right doesn't and the Democrats refuse to make a wall part of the deal. Trump wants infrastructure but the left doesn't want Trump's infrastructure, they want one that goes directly onto the national debt. Trump wants better healthcare but, again, both the far right and Democrats are against what Trump wants. But, I do believe that Trump is libel to get more of what he wants if enough Democrats get on board to drown on the far right and make them irrelevant.

History already tells us that Democrats did indeed agree to $25 Billion in a bi-partisan solution.

You know who blew that up, and Pence would’ve signed it.