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Trump pushes new environmental rollbacks on the way out the door

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11/19/20
BILLINGS, MONT. — Down to its final weeks, the Trump administration is working to push through dozens of environmental rollbacks that could weaken century-old protections for migratory birds, expand Arctic drilling and hamstring future regulation of public health threats. The pending changes, which benefit oil and gas and other industries, deepen the challenges for President-elect Joe Biden, who made restoring and advancing protections for the environment, climate and public health a core piece of his campaign. “We’re going to see a real scorched-earth effort here at the tail end of the administration,” said Brian Rutledge, a vice president at the National Audubon Society. The proposed changes cap four years of unprecedented environmental deregulation by President Donald Trump, whose administration has worked to fundamentally change how federal agencies apply and enforce the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act and other protections. Most of the changes are expected to sail through the approval process, which includes the White House releasing the final version and publication in the Federal Register. Some decisions, if they go into effect, will be easy for Biden to simply reverse. He already has pledged to return the United States to the Paris climate accord as a first step in his own $2 trillion climate plan. But he faces years of work in court and within agencies to repair major Trump cuts to the nation’s framework of environmental protections.

Earlier moves by the Trump administration, which are now facing court challenges, remove protections for millions of miles of waterways and wetlands, narrow protections for wildlife species facing extinction and open more of the hundreds of millions of acres of public land to oil and gas drilling. Asked about the push now, as Trump and many of his supporters continue to deny his election loss, Environmental Protection Agency spokesman James Hewitt said, “EPA continues to advance this administration’s commitment to meaningful environmental progress while moving forward with our regulatory reform agenda.” environmentalists and some former federal officials said the actions being taken in Trump’s final days reflect a pro-industry agenda taken to the extreme, in disregard for imperiled wildlife, climate change and damage to human health from air pollution. “What we’re seeing at the end is what we’ve seen all along, which is a fealty to private interests over public interests,” said David Hayes, former deputy secretary of the Interior Department under Obama and now adjunct professor at the New York University School of Law. “They seem intent on finalizing these as a kind of ideological point.”


This is Donald Trump (and the Republican Party) doing the bidding of campaign-donor mining and fossil-fuel corporations as his days in power shrink.

To increase corporate profits, the Republicans are quite willing to despoil America's lands, air and waterways ... not caring a whit about the environment that will be the heritage of our children and grandchildren.

 




This is Donald Trump (and the Republican Party) doing the bidding of campaign-donor mining and fossil-fuel corporations as his days in power shrink.

To increase corporate profits, the Republicans are quite willing to despoil America's lands, air and waterways ... not caring a whit about the environment that will be the heritage of our children and grandchildren.


trump is going to go down as the most petulant loser of a presidential election to date.
 
I think Trump's goal at this point is to create as many fires as possible for Biden to deal with in Jan.

Yes- a scorched earth policy and salting of the farmlands for America on the way out. So patriotic and selfless.
 
Yes- a scorched earth policy and salting of the farmlands for America on the way out. So patriotic and selfless.
Yeah, well only fools think Trump was actually in this for America.
 
Saw on the news a couple of days ago that EPA employees are now actively stalling and refusing to move forward with Trump administration directives:

With two months left of the Trump administration, career E.P.A. employees find themselves where they began, in a bureaucratic battle with the agency’s political leaders. But now, with the Biden administration on the horizon, they are emboldened to stymie Mr. Trump’s goals and to do so more openly.
 
Saw on the news a couple of days ago that EPA employees are now actively stalling and refusing to move forward with Trump administration directives:

With two months left of the Trump administration, career E.P.A. employees find themselves where they began, in a bureaucratic battle with the agency’s political leaders. But now, with the Biden administration on the horizon, they are emboldened to stymie Mr. Trump’s goals and to do so more openly.

Yes, I remember reading that at the beginning of trumps term, many of the scientists and others at the EPA actually downloaded a lot of the data and other information from the computers onto their own private computers because they were concerned that’s the administration was going to wipe out all that information. They were right.

hopefully, they still have those somewhere and we can take them back out when facts and information become important again.
 
It's amazing seeing just how little of a shit conservatives about the environment if it means spending any money or regulating companies.

They'll happily roll back safeguards on food and water safety if they think someone can squeeze a few more dollars profit from selling food that would be considered unfit in Europe as all regulation is bad in their eyes. Have fun living in a toxic hellscape if they ever get in full charge.
 




This is Donald Trump (and the Republican Party) doing the bidding of campaign-donor mining and fossil-fuel corporations as his days in power shrink.

To increase corporate profits, the Republicans are quite willing to despoil America's lands, air and waterways ... not caring a whit about the environment that will be the heritage of our children and grandchildren.

It is in the public interests to allow private companies to extract resources
 




This is Donald Trump (and the Republican Party) doing the bidding of campaign-donor mining and fossil-fuel corporations as his days in power shrink.

To increase corporate profits, the Republicans are quite willing to despoil America's lands, air and waterways ... not caring a whit about the environment that will be the heritage of our children and grandchildren.

Expanding arctic oil drilling will benefit future generations
 
It is in the public interests to allow private companies to extract resources

Companies have never deliberately and knowingly poisoned people for decades just to make extra profit.

Maybe watch the film Dark Waters and then say why regulation is so terrible.
 
Companies have never deliberately and knowingly poisoned people for decades just to make extra profit.

Maybe watch the film Dark Waters and then say why regulation is so terrible.

Regulation that prohibits extraction is terrible. Most federal regulation in the US on oil and gas industries is unjustified and used to prevent drilling for oil and gas and not to protect water.

I’m not watching whatever communist propaganda you’re steering me too.
 
Expanding arctic oil drilling will benefit future generations

Great.
Let's just destroy the last true wilderness on earth.
Money means more to you than having a livable planet it seems.
 
Great.
Let's just destroy the last true wilderness on earth.
Money means more to you than having a livable planet it seems.

It would not destroy the wilderness nor make the planet unlivable to extract essential resources for civilization development.
 
Regulation that prohibits extraction is terrible. Most federal regulation in the US on oil and gas industries is unjustified and used to prevent drilling for oil and gas and not to protect water.

I’m not watching whatever communist propaganda you’re steering me too.

It's a film about the firm Dupont who for decades poisoned an entire town and hundreds of people until a lawyer took the case and forced them into one of the largest settlements in US legal history.

It's a great film that I went to the local cinema to see.
 
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It would not destroy the wilderness nor make the planet unlivable to extract essential resources for civilization development.

Yes, drilling for oil and gas in the Arctic, what could possibly go wrong?
 
The environment is threatened like never before in human history, or world history arguably outside of an asteroid that caused one of the great extinction events (we are in another caused by man), with the advancement of industry and population.

The unprecedented threats demand unprecedented protections for the environment from worldwide permanent legal protections, analogous to the US environmental laws like the Endangered Species Act. And that demands the support of the citizens, that we make it a priority for foreign policy, similarly to how we need to make human rights a priority.
 
Unfortunately, Republicans don't give a shit about the environment and will happily see it destroyed if it can make a few more dollars for the super-rich.
 




This is Donald Trump (and the Republican Party) doing the bidding of campaign-donor mining and fossil-fuel corporations as his days in power shrink.

To increase corporate profits, the Republicans are quite willing to despoil America's lands, air and waterways ... not caring a whit about the environment that will be the heritage of our children and grandchildren.

It's funny how GM and Ford have both pledged to stick with Biden's energy standards which are more or less an extension of Obama's. Trump can push what ever he wants, most are ignoring him.
 




This is Donald Trump (and the Republican Party) doing the bidding of campaign-donor mining and fossil-fuel corporations as his days in power shrink.

To increase corporate profits, the Republicans are quite willing to despoil America's lands, air and waterways ... not caring a whit about the environment that will be the heritage of our children and grandchildren.


Anything in particular that you are concerned about or just raving about nothing?
 
Anything in particular that you are concerned about or just raving about nothing?

Probably the same-old/same-old: worry for the earth. That sort of thing. Remember that most of these regulations are in place NOT because some nefarious government cabal wanted them there to throttle industry...no they are in place because AMERICANS DEMANDED IT.

The history of regulation on industry is littered with cancer clusters and children dying horrific deaths followed by YEARS of court battles. It is littered with rivers CATCHING ON FIRE because of pollution.

Industry has come a long way and maybe not every single regulation is perfected Solomonesque legislation, most of them are there for a reason.

I've spent my entire career in the chemical industry. Yes it's sometimes onerous to have to take special care with the materials we use, but at the end of the day I'm still going home to live in that environment too. We want a country that is decent to live in, not one that is simply maximizing profit.

Here's a test: whenever you hear a CEO talking about how he or she had to offshore manufacturing to China or SE Asia to places where the environmental regulations are less stringent note how the CEO themselves NEVER MOVES TO THOSE PLACES. Why? Because living here in the US is a fair sight safer and better healthwise.

Now, that being said, I guarantee you that sometimes China DOES crack down on chemicals. Recently the industry I work in has faced some SERIOUS supply shortages for raw materials because the Chinese have decided that this one particular material was too difficult to work with environmnetally and they have shuttered most of the factories producing it at least until better controls can happen. So let's not kid ourselves that environmental regulations are some sort of insurmountable problem that can only be solved by running away from them.
 
Saw on the news a couple of days ago that EPA employees are now actively stalling and refusing to move forward with Trump administration directives:

With two months left of the Trump administration, career E.P.A. employees find themselves where they began, in a bureaucratic battle with the agency’s political leaders. But now, with the Biden administration on the horizon, they are emboldened to stymie Mr. Trump’s goals and to do so more openly.

Good for them.
 
Probably the same-old/same-old: worry for the earth. That sort of thing. Remember that most of these regulations are in place NOT because some nefarious government cabal wanted them there to throttle industry...no they are in place because AMERICANS DEMANDED IT.

The history of regulation on industry is littered with cancer clusters and children dying horrific deaths followed by YEARS of court battles. It is littered with rivers CATCHING ON FIRE because of pollution.

Industry has come a long way and maybe not every single regulation is perfected Solomonesque legislation, most of them are there for a reason.

I've spent my entire career in the chemical industry. Yes it's sometimes onerous to have to take special care with the materials we use, but at the end of the day I'm still going home to live in that environment too. We want a country that is decent to live in, not one that is simply maximizing profit.

Here's a test: whenever you hear a CEO talking about how he or she had to offshore manufacturing to China or SE Asia to places where the environmental regulations are less stringent note how the CEO themselves NEVER MOVES TO THOSE PLACES. Why? Because living here in the US is a fair sight safer and better healthwise.

Now, that being said, I guarantee you that sometimes China DOES crack down on chemicals. Recently the industry I work in has faced some SERIOUS supply shortages for raw materials because the Chinese have decided that this one particular material was too difficult to work with environmnetally and they have shuttered most of the factories producing it at least until better controls can happen. So let's not kid ourselves that environmental regulations are some sort of insurmountable problem that can only be solved by running away from them.

I understand the general idea that pollution can be a problem.

I was asking about a particular regulatory change.

The tendency of government pencil necks seems to lead them to acts of zealotry only tangentially related to protecting the environment.

Also, there is a very great possibility that the various regulations applicable are contradictory under which an applicant can gain approval from a one agency and be exposed to liability from another.

To me, the absolute least regulation needed is the regulation that is appropriate. Of course, given our system, we may be assured that most regulation are written by those who are to be regulated.

To say the system is not perfect is to make a huge understatement.
 
Expanding arctic oil drilling will benefit future generations
We have more oil and gas than we need at this time, and you can forget about a bunch of new leases being issued in Alaska, anything trump does now can be undone in less than a month. Oh and maybe you did not realize it but oil and gas companies are shutting down many operations these days, not expanding into new fields.
 
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