Hicup
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I'd like to see her removed from the job and then have the University revoke her degree.
On a tangent what is up with all these universities getting proof that a person plagiarized their college work and then allowing the individuals to keep their degrees? This looks bad for the schools.
It's not like he picked her to be VP man.... :lol:
Well, not so fast, is what I say. Improper citation/attribution is a very COMMON mistake by grad students today and also in the past, but more so today. I read the article and to me it sounds like a fabricated outrage story that at the time meant nothing to her grade nor her credibility. Today they have software that can catch it better, but in the past not so much. I'll chalk this one up to honest error, unless someone can prove to me with facts that Crowley deliberately plagiarized her thesis.
Tim-
Its not the the concept of education that is attacked, it is the concept of what your side, the left, has made out of the concept. Its no longer about learning, true science, critical, independent thought and reasoning...
to your side it is all about falling in line, being with the in crowd of feigned "consensus". Science is not based on voting in a politically correct manner, its based on continuous systematic observation, measurement, reasonable conjecture and experiment...this the formulation, testing and modification of hypotheses.
Joe Biden did the same thing.
I love how, when it is pointed out that the idiots on the left are being assholes, all the left can do is scream "you did it too!" Who cares who also did it, this prick was a jerk and deserves to have it pointed out. Just because someone else did it too doesn't mean it's okay.
Jeez!! But I guess it's better than getting your degree from a diploma mill? Or is it. At least, when you got it from a diploma mill, you just sent them the money and got your degree, and you didn't end up stealing other peoples' intellectual property.
Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation - POLITICO Magazine
Jeez!! But I guess it's better than getting your degree from a diploma mill? Or is it. At least, when you got it from a diploma mill, you just sent them the money and got your degree, and you didn't end up stealing other peoples' intellectual property.
Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation - POLITICO Magazine
LOL what proof could there possibly be beyond the evidence of the crime? Are you holding on to doubt until they get a *search warrant* to scour her personal journal for a signed confession?
It is fairly obvious that you have not developed a thesis before. It is not possible to unintentionally have PASSAGES from other works that are unsourced.
And this makes intelectualI dishonesty okay because...
Right. Bad behavior happens all the time. We're constantly told that "plagiarism is one of the worst academic sins you can commit" and yet...happens all the time and a shrug.Are you serious? Can't be? This happens all the time, especially today.
Tim-
Well, not so fast, is what I say. Improper citation/attribution is a very COMMON mistake by grad students today and also in the past, but more so today. I read the article and to me it sounds like a fabricated outrage story that at the time meant nothing to her grade nor her credibility. Today they have software that can catch it better, but in the past not so much. I'll chalk this one up to honest error, unless someone can prove to me with facts that Crowley deliberately plagiarized her thesis.
Tim-
Right. Bad behavior happens all the time. We're constantly told that "plagiarism is one of the worst academic sins you can commit" and yet...happens all the time and a shrug.
Must not be a big deal at elite universities. Makes me regret turning down going to USC and going to a state school instead if I knew I could just cheat my way to a degree...
I wonder what the agruments will be to excuse plagiarism...
Anyone who can read the many examples in the article cited and believe all that flagrant copying was just "honest error" has a capacity to disregard evidence which rivals that of an O.J. juror.
After reading the passages closely, I think Crowley should have been disqualified just for the God-awful quality of her writing. Sounds like the sort of slack, wordy hash I'd expect to find in some local school board document.
Circular logic much? How in the world can you prove intention? Are you suggesting that students fail to provide proper citation and attribution when writing papers, even Ph.D. Thesis'... Are you smoking something because I want some toot sweet! My God, it happens WAAAYYYYY more than you obviously think. Hell even I've done it, and yes it was a mistake, but luckily for me it was brought to my attention prior to my final submission.. Geeze!
Tim-
Okay, so I read the full article, yeah I agree, that is not making a mistake, that is cheating. MY bad, I apologize but my argument is correct, if not in proper context here.
Tim-
where is the howling of 8 years of intellectual dishonest.
I didn't hear any howling about this during the campaign either.
liberal hypocrisy at it's finest.
Jeez!! But I guess it's better than getting your degree from a diploma mill? Or is it. At least, when you got it from a diploma mill, you just sent them the money and got your degree, and you didn't end up stealing other peoples' intellectual property.
Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation - POLITICO Magazine
When you watch and listen to the Right talk during the confirmation hearings, you get the idea that most of those people faked their degrees and plagiarized their papers. Not a very sharp shed full of tools that bunch.
LOL another poster who doesn't understand the difference between reusing a portion of a speech and academic fraud.
Funny enough, I was just reading in this other thread how lefties just scream, "you did it too" as shown here:
Yup, both side play the "you did it too" game. Just because Joe Biden might have done something doesn't mean it's okay for someone else to do it, right Grim?
The best you guys got is the "you can keep your doctor." Well, guess what, i kept my doctor! Lol!
What do we have on Trump? Well there's the dozens of examples of him brazenly contradicting himself about the Iraq war, AGW, imitating the reporter, etc. etc.
Cool. show me how you blew up when sen John walsh plagarized so bad his masters degree was revoked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walsh_(U.S._politician)
just one thread, showing the ridicule and outrage you all are showing here.
It depends on the context. if you are using it to justify crowley's plagarism, then you are playing that game. If you are simply pointing out, that this whole meltdown over crowley's plagarism isn't really an issue to those who brought it up.... well then.
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