Trump once again proven right (1 Viewer)

[Chainsawmassacre]

Trump told NATO in general and Germany in particular that becoming dependent on Russian gas was a huge mistake and didn't make sense. That criticism aged well.



“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.

Donald Trump lashes Germany over gas pipeline deal, calls it Russia's 'captive'

Trump renewed his call for other NATO allies to pay in more to the Western alliance after years in which U.S. taxpayers have, he said, borne an "unfair" share of military spending.

m.economictimes.com

 

[phoenix2020]

I’ve no problem admitting that this is one of the clear examples of Trump being right about 5-10% of the time.

I suppose this offsets some of the many incorrect or terrible or stupid things he said in February 2018 as well, such as declaring the media the enemy of the people (an excellent channeling of Putin, you have to admit…) or bowing to China on Taiwan.

 

[eohrnberger]

I’ve no problem admitting that this is one of the clear examples of Trump being right about 5-10% of the time.

I suspect that his 'hit' percentage is quite a bit higher than that, but oh well.

I suppose this offsets some of the many incorrect or terrible or stupid things he said in February 2018 as well, such as declaring the media the enemy of the people (an excellent channeling of Putin, you have to admit…) or bowing to China on Taiwan.

Democracy dies in the shadow cast by a politically biased media.

The media has lied for Democrats (Russian Collusion hoax), suppressed legitimate news stories to the benefit of the left (Hunter's laptop from hell), hawked news stories which damage the non-left (There's a 7 hour gap in Trump's WH call logs!), and on and on for some 6 years now.

Are those actions typical of a 'friend'? Of 'friends'? Seems far more like an abusive and exploitative relationship the media has with the constituency.

And it had absolutely nothing to do with Putin, and everything to do with the media self-inflicted damage to their own credibility and trust by their own editorial and 'journalistic' decisions, as the polling results on their trust and credibility reflect.

 

[KingLeo]

So by that same logic why does the US buy about 8% of its oil from Russian?
Or why does the US buy about 10% of its oil from the Saudis who are known financial supporters of several terrorist groups?
As usual Trumps comments fail to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Trump told NATO in general and Germany in particular that becoming dependent on Russian gas was a huge mistake and didn't make sense. That criticism aged well.



“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.

Donald Trump lashes Germany over gas pipeline deal, calls it Russia's 'captive'

Trump renewed his call for other NATO allies to pay in more to the Western alliance after years in which U.S. taxpayers have, he said, borne an "unfair" share of military spending.

m.economictimes.com

Nice rephrasing of the issue.
As was his penchant at the time, Trump's primary complaint was Germany supposedly funding this expensive pipeline while not contributing its fair share to NATO. Of course, like the idiot he is/was, he was wrong in that Germany was not funding the pipeline.

He also lied/misstated Germany's reliance upon Russia for oil/gas. And everyone knew then about the potential dangers of making deals like this with Russia, as Germany acknowledged at the time.

So apart from lying/misstating the facts to make his point, and restating what everyone already knew re: Russia- yea, he was a real swami on issues of international politics.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Trump told NATO in general and Germany in particular that becoming dependent on Russian gas was a huge mistake and didn't make sense. That criticism aged well.



“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.

Donald Trump lashes Germany over gas pipeline deal, calls it Russia's 'captive'

Trump renewed his call for other NATO allies to pay in more to the Western alliance after years in which U.S. taxpayers have, he said, borne an "unfair" share of military spending.

m.economictimes.com

Trump’s revelation was no revelation. European leaders already understood their dilemma long before someone sat Trump down with a Europe/Asia energy picture pop up book.

Typically, he used his kernel of knowledge to blame our closest allies for not solving the very complicated energy issue in their part of the world while simultaneously, and hypocritically ignoring the fact that America also continued to buy oil from Russia.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I suspect that his 'hit' percentage is quite a bit higher than that, but oh well.

Please present supporting evidence.

 

[Mongidig]

Good call by Trump.

 

[lemmiwinx]

When he's right, he's right. And even when he's wrong he's right. But for the Chinese flu breaking out when it did Trump would still be president.

 

[Michael Cole]

So, Trump was right in saying it's inappropriate? Really? You be diggin' deep.

What's next? Trump saying good morning before it's noon?

 

[phoenix2020]

When he's right, he's right. And even when he's wrong he's right.

True. I mean, who did those meteorologists think they were, trying to predict storms with science, models and simulation when all we needed was an infallible President with a Sharpie? Indeed, who needs to worship God when you have the always-right Donald Trump on stage expecting your loyalty and, preferably, contributions?

 

[jnug]

Trump told NATO in general and Germany in particular that becoming dependent on Russian gas was a huge mistake and didn't make sense. That criticism aged well.



“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.

Donald Trump lashes Germany over gas pipeline deal, calls it Russia's 'captive'

Trump renewed his call for other NATO allies to pay in more to the Western alliance after years in which U.S. taxpayers have, he said, borne an "unfair" share of military spending.

m.economictimes.com

Antagonizing Angela Merkel aged well too.

 

[Michael Cole]

When he's right, he's right. And even when he's wrong he's right. But for the Chinese flu breaking out when it did Trump would still be president.

This is what makes it a cult.

 

[phoenix2020]

So, Trump was right in saying it's inappropriate? Really? You be diggin' deep.

What's next? Trump saying good morning before it's noon?

Well, if the liberal left declared that morning comes before noon, these yahoos would have to call that fake news and come up with an entirely new concept of time.

#StopCTTInSchools #CriticalTimeTheoryEvil

 

[The AntiDonald]

Trump told NATO in general and Germany in particular that becoming dependent on Russian gas was a huge mistake and didn't make sense. That criticism aged well.



“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.

Donald Trump lashes Germany over gas pipeline deal, calls it Russia's 'captive'

Trump renewed his call for other NATO allies to pay in more to the Western alliance after years in which U.S. taxpayers have, he said, borne an "unfair" share of military spending.

m.economictimes.com

What makes you think he actually thought of that himself? The world order didn't just start when Trump came to town. Energy scholars have known this for years.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Trump told NATO in general and Germany in particular that becoming dependent on Russian gas was a huge mistake and didn't make sense.

tRump was pretty much the last person to mention that. He was a day late as usual.

 

[Eriech]

Trump has rarely been wrong.

 

[Acadia]

Trump told NATO in general and Germany in particular that becoming dependent on Russian gas was a huge mistake and didn't make sense. That criticism aged well.



“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.

Donald Trump lashes Germany over gas pipeline deal, calls it Russia's 'captive'

Trump renewed his call for other NATO allies to pay in more to the Western alliance after years in which U.S. taxpayers have, he said, borne an "unfair" share of military spending.

m.economictimes.com

Trump also told NATO to get serious and pay up! Now suddenly, NATO is serious when Russia is invading their neighbor.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

So by that same logic why does the US buy about 8% of its oil from Russian?
Or why does the US buy about 10% of its oil from the Saudis who are known financial supporters of several terrorist groups?
As usual Trumps comments fail to look at the bigger picture.

Bigger picture is we were able to stop buying Russian oil and Biden did so after public opinion forced him to.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Trump’s revelation was no revelation. European leaders already understood their dilemma long before someone sat Trump down with a Europe/Asia energy picture pop up book.

Typically, he used his kernel of knowledge to blame our closest allies for not solving the very complicated energy issue in their part of the world while simultaneously, and hypocritically ignoring the fact that America also continued to buy oil from Russia.

"They got rid of their coal plants, they got rid of their nuclear, they’re getting so much of their oil and gas from Russia. I think it is something NATO has to look at. It is very inappropriate.”

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

hypocritically ignoring the fact that America also continued to buy oil from Russia.

Bigger picture is we were able to stop buying Russian oil and Biden did so after public opinion forced him to.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

When he's right, he's right. And even when he's wrong he's right. But for the Chinese flu breaking out when it did Trump would still be president.

Horse shit.

Trump grossly mismanaged his administration’s response to the pandemic, interfered with his own experts, attacked officials following CDC guidelines, and repeatedly outright lied to Americans beginning on February 26, 2020 when, during a press conference, Trump said “this is a flu”, “this is like a flu”, even though he’d already been informed that the coronavirus was much deadlier than the seasonal flu. A fact he shared with Bob Woodward during a recorded interview on February 7th, informing the journalist that the virus was even more deadly than “your strenuous flus”.



And for the record, Trump had already lost the votes of most Americans before the coronavirus pandemic.

Anyone saying otherwise is either self deluded or flat out lying.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Trump also told NATO to get serious and pay up! Now suddenly, NATO is serious when Russia is invading their neighbor.

One has nothing to do with the other. Trump’s bitching has nothing at all to do with NATO’s actions now.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Yep, Trump continued importing Russian oil throughout his single term, while chastising our European allies for doing the same.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Horse shit.

Trump grossly mismanaged his administration’s response to the pandemic, interfered with his own experts, attacked officials following CDC guidelines, and repeatedly outright lied to Americans beginning on February 26, 2020 when, during a press conference, Trump said “this is a flu”, “this is like a flu”, even though he’d already been informed that the coronavirus was much deadlier than the seasonal flu. A fact he shared with Bob Woodward during a recorded interview on February 7th, informing the journalist that the virus was even more deadly than “your strenuous flus”.



And for the record, Trump had already lost the votes of most Americans before the coronavirus pandemic.

Anyone saying otherwise is either self deluded or flat out lying.

To your last point, historically a crisis not of the president's own making has almost always been a positive in that it typically rallies the country around a cause, with the president being the point guard for our response. But as you mentioned, Trump terribly mismanaged the response to this virus, starting with downplaying it, and then dividing Americans by pitting politics against science.

So while I agree, the had lost the votes of most Americans before the pandemic, I think it actually gave him a chance to claw his way back and he pooped himself because he is an idiot who can barely think past tomorrow.