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Trump on Saudi prince knowing of Khashoggi plot: 'Maybe he did, maybe he didn't'

Maybe we shouldn't give billions of dollars to murderers though

Well, it's not as if Mr. Trump was giving any of His money.

Besides what Mr. Trump wants to do is to SELL stuff to the Saudis so that the rich people of His country can get richer (and maybe to get the Saudis to stay at His hotels or buy some of His ties).
 
He is the Prince. He is not the King. The power he has right now is because Daddy is stepping aside and has given it to him. If the International community gets up in arms about MBS (Mohammed Bone Saw). If they make it clear that they cannot, and will not work with him, the King will have to respond. He will have to choose another son to take over.

The only people I hear talking as if the choice is whether or not to abandon relationships with Saudi Arabia is Trump, and his supporters. Everyone else in the world knows that the real choice is whether or not to abandon relationships with MBS. And to make it clear to those in Saudi Arabia that if they want to advance their own interests they will have to do so without MBS.

An absolutely wonderful story. What about actual proof. or is speculation enough today to start punishing people. He could have done so we will throw him in prison until we find the real killer. Nice.

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And that means Trump has to repeatedly play bottom boy to authoritarian leaders? This is getting to be a pattern for Trump: Saudi's bottom boy. Russia's bottom boy. North Korea's bottom boy. In your opinion, do you think Trump is playing bottom boy for pleasure, for money, or both?

So you are OK with Trump doing what ever he wants to leaders all over the world without evidence or proof. Their might be weapons of mass destruction so lets take action. We all know how reliable our intelligence is. We don't need evidence just the word maybe from our CIA or FBI is good enough to start punishing leaders around the world as Trump sees fit. Guilty unless they can prove themselves innocent. The new justice in America.
 
So you are OK with Trump doing what ever he wants to leaders all over the world without evidence or proof. Their might be weapons of mass destruction so lets take action. We all know how reliable our intelligence is. We don't need evidence just the word maybe from our CIA or FBI is good enough to start punishing leaders around the world as Trump sees fit. Guilty unless they can prove themselves innocent. The new justice in America.

Release all criminals from prison because you just can't be sure.
 
OK, sorry, I thought you had at least some fundamental knowledge of your country's world politics. Suffice it to say Saudi Arabia is NOT in the same category as Cuba, Iran, NK, or Russia in terms of American foreign policy, so using them to draw an ananlogy is nonsensical.

What do think Trump can do. Have our Navy Seals enter their country illegally and throw him out of an airplane over the ocean and say situation solved. Sanctions only hurt the innocent people of the country. The only way that you remove a prince or King is by force. The real problem remains that we do not have proof or evidence. You need to comprehend that proof is extremely important. Without we are no better than Russia and Putin. That is the facts.
 
Release all criminals from prison because you just can't be sure.

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The people in prison are in prison because evidence was presented and they were found guilty.:doh
 
Maybe we shouldn't give billions of dollars to murderers though

Maybe we shouldnt give billions to no one, supposedly no body likes America anyway, we should keep all our money to build the wall!


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An absolutely wonderful story. What about actual proof. or is speculation enough today to start punishing people. He could have done so we will throw him in prison until we find the real killer. Nice.

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So, does that mean that you are absolutely aghast that Mr. Trump has allowed an American citizen with no criminal record to be taken out of the country on the merest of slim allegations that he had something to do with being associated with the killing on non-Americans outside of the United States of America and in accordance with the laws then in effect in that foreign country?

Or is that a case of "That's DIFFERENT!!!".
 
Too bad the US didn't have the same 'morals' when it came to alliances with foreign leaders and countries as we do now. Then we wouldn't have to deal with the USSR (after WWII).
Then we wouldn't have to deal with the Iranian nuclear arms deal.:roll:

One guy was murdered. Who knows who? Big deal, IMO. KSA has only helped the US clear out ISIS from Iraq and other areas of the Middle East. KSA has only purchased weapons from the US.
KSA only continues to help the US in an attempt to stabilize the Middle East.

Side note: Maybe the drop in oil prices is the clandestine punishment to KSA for Khashoggi?

The drop in oil prices resulted from the US government announcing that it was going to reduce the amount of oil that Iran could sell.

As a result of that announcement, the remaining OPEC countries increased production in order to fill the void left by the decreased Iranian oil availability.

Then the US announced that the sanctions wouldn't affect around 90+% of the Iranian oil sales.

This resulted in their being a "glut hump" in oil availability.


This resulted in the sales prices for oil dropping.

Once the "glut hump" has passed, oil prices will return to "normal" (plus a bit in order to compensate the OPEC nations for the decreased profit that they made due to the "skilfully engineered" increase in oil availability.

The odds on the OPEC nations feeling kindly towards the US (or Mr. Trump) after their profits were slashed due to Mr. Trump's actions are not the kind of odds that I would bet the rent on.

Who knew that commodity pricing could be so complicated?
This.
 
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The people in prison are in prison because evidence was presented and they were found guilty.:doh

And, what, the CIA doesn't operate on evidence?
 
And, what, the CIA doesn't operate on evidence?

Well if they have evidence lets hear it. Put up or shut up.

How about those weapons of mass destruction? They have been caught too many times with their pants down and dead wrong. Trump is clearly smarter than Bush and is demanding evidence before taking action.
 
Well if they have evidence lets hear it. Put up or shut up.

How about those weapons of mass destruction? They have been caught too many times with their pants down and dead wrong. Trump is clearly smarter than Bush and is demanding evidence before taking action.

What makes you think Trump looked at the evidence they presented?
 
Well if they have evidence lets hear it. Put up or shut up.

How about those weapons of mass destruction? They have been caught too many times with their pants down and dead wrong. Trump is clearly smarter than Bush and is demanding evidence before taking action.

Nah, Mr. Bush was smarter, he demanded that the evidence be manufactured in order to justify what he had always wanted to do (and got away with it).
 
What makes you think Trump looked at the evidence they presented?

Of course he "looked at it".

Of course, "I have looked at the evidence and, after looking at the evidence, I believe that ..." does NOT mean the same thing as "I have actually examined the evidence and, based on the actual evidence, and after giving the matter actual thought, I believe that ...".

After all, you can "look at" the Moon without actually examining it - right?
 
Nah, Mr. Bush was smarter, he demanded that the evidence be manufactured in order to justify what he had always wanted to do (and got away with it).

Then he outsmarted the Democrats and got them to go along with it.
 
Change that to "panicked" the Democrats (and everyone else)" and you've got a deal.

Panicked? it was several years after 911 and there was plenty of other intelligence from around the world that did not agree. They were either for the war or duped by our CIA and/or Bush.

I will give Obama credit for not trusting our CIA and voting against war. He was well aware of the credibility of our bought and paid for government.

Our CIA is either credible or not. I have no problem praising Trump for not taking action on a maybe or might be. Especially after the FBI dealings and the grandstanding nonsense with Comey.
 
Then he outsmarted the Democrats and got them to go along with it.

Indeed, as Mr. Trump demonstrated this last election cycle, scaring Americans for profit is not difficult.


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Bush screwed up by believing the CIA. A mistake Trump doesn't want to make on a maybe. Clearly the democrats do not earn from their mistakes.
 
Bush screwed up by believing the CIA. A mistake Trump doesn't want to make on a maybe. Clearly the democrats do not earn from their mistakes.

Not so much wrong, like all the world's intelligence, as Saddam was faking to ward off Iran.
 
That is the problem with intelligence. Everybody and their brother are putting out inaccurate information to confuse any real information gathered. That is why you don't react to a maybe or might be. Only ignorant people would demand action on a maybe or could be. I would want proof before I confronted Russia or any country. Even proof can be manufactured. Germany used proof of a Polish attack to start a war. This is nothing new. Only the uniformed will act without looking over the evidence and waiting to see what turns up in the next couple of weeks or months before jumping off into the dark. Action can be taken months later when we are sure and plenty of hard evidence is presented and not debunked.
 
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