Trump lies about pre-existing conditions right to voter's face

[Greenbeard]

Okay, where is your evidence that Trump is "bringing back pre-existing condition exclusions?"

I've already posted one video proving this is false. Here is a second video...

A video of Trump lying is garbage.

The evidence is indisputable:

1) His 2017 legislative push to bring back penalties for those with pre-existing conditions. Those bills failed because that idea is incredibly unpopular.

2) His executive actions, most notably his move to encourage proliferation of "short-term" plans (made long-term by Trump's executive action) that don't cover pre-existing conditions. Creating a parallel shadow market of non-ACA compliant plans that don't cover pre-existing conditions directly threatens the ACA-regulated market that does require coverage of pre-existing conditions.

3) His court filings in California v. Texas where he specifically pushes for the courts to bring back pre-existing conditions.

Any video of Trump stating empty words contrary to the actual actions he's pursued above is simply video of Trump lying about what he's been doing.

 

[skeptic llc]

Here we go again with the conspiracy theories.

Kudos to Trump for letting the voter know that he supports the pre-existing condition guarantee, which he has, for four years plus.

The only kudos that go to Stephanopolous are kudos for lying to the American public.

It's not a conspiracy theory. Trump just lies, all the time.

 

[Greenbeard]

Check the SCOTUS docket and ignore your partisan videos.

But while Trump was bringing back pre-existing conditions he was saying that's not what he was doing! How are we to know whether to believe what Trump's saying or what's actually happening?!

 

[ReubenSherr]

A video of Trump lying is garbage.

The evidence is indisputable:

1) His 2017 legislative push to bring back penalties for those with pre-existing conditions. Those bills failed because that idea is incredibly unpopular.

2) His executive actions, most notably his move to encourage proliferation of "short-term" plans (made long-term by Trump's executive action) that don't cover pre-existing conditions. Creating a parallel shadow market of non-ACA compliant plans that don't cover pre-existing conditions directly threatens the ACA-regulated market that does require coverage of pre-existing conditions.

3) His court filings in California v. Texas where he specifically pushes for the courts to bring back pre-existing conditions.

Any video of Trump stating empty words contrary to the actual actions he's pursued above is simply video of Trump lying about what he's been doing.

So you believe that for the past four years, our President has been secretly plotting to do away with the pre-existing condition guarantee. While stating again and again that he supports it.

Aside from the fact that this is an absurd conspiracy theory,

When has Trump ever publicly taken a position on an issue, and not stood by it?

 

[Greenbeard]

So you believe that for the past four years, our President has been secretly plotting to do away with the pre-existing guarantee.

What's been secret about it? The legislation is available for review. The regulations are posted in the Federal Register. The court filings are on the DOJ website. We even had a health care election in 2018 where voters massively turned out to repudiate what Trump and the GOP have been doing.

 

[ReubenSherr]

What's been secret about it? The legislation is available for review. The regulations are posted in the Federal Register. The court filings are on the DOJ website. We even had a health care election in 2018 where voters massively turned out to repudiate what Trump and the GOP have been doing.

Greenbeard, lol

JUST BECAUSE YOU OPPOSE THE ACA DOES NOT MEAN YOU OPPOSE THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITION GUARANTEE.

THIS HAS BEEN COVERED EXTENSIVELY BY FOX FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, AND WAS COVERED EXTENSIVELY IN THE 2016 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY DEBATES

Educate yourself, and TURN OFF THE CNN!!!

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Just to clear this all up, in terms of the slew of liberal posters trying to argue that Trump has not vocalized support to keep the pre-existing condition guarantee in the new plan...

There is no plan tho.

 

[Greenbeard]

JUST BECAUSE YOU OPPOSE THE ACA DOES NOT MEAN YOU OPPOSE THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITION GUARANTEE.

If that were true, the ACA's opponents wouldn't be attacking that part of the law. They are.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

So you believe that for the past four years, our President has been secretly plotting to do away with the pre-existing condition guarantee. While stating again and again that he supports it.

It’s not secret. His DOJ is right now very publicly trying to take away pre-existing conditions.

 

[ReubenSherr]

It’s not secret. His DOJ is right now very publicly trying to take away pre-existing conditions.

How?

PLEASE don't say by repealing the ACA.

 

[Greenbeard]

It’s not secret. His DOJ is right now very publicly trying to take away pre-existing conditions.

Not public enough to wake this dude from his coma, apparently.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

How?

PLEASE don't say by repealing the ACA.

By repealing the ACA and lying about a plan to replace it.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Not public enough to wake this dude from his coma, apparently.

Poor thing, doesn’t even know he’s about to have to pay for his own coma now.

 

[Greenbeard]

Poor thing, doesn’t even know he’s about to have to pay for his own coma now.

TRUMP WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT DIDN'T YOU SEE THE DEBATES IN 2016

 

[Aunt Antifa]

TRUMP WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT DIDN'T YOU SEE THE DEBATES IN 2016

 

[ReubenSherr]

By repealing the ACA and lying about a plan to replace it.

The only people lying here are you all.

Trump's attempt at a new plan in 2017, even according to CNN, preserved the pre-existing condition guarantee.

Here is a CNN analysis of the Republican bill that failed in 2017:

Trump says GOP's health care bill protects pre-existing conditions. Here's the truth

Obamacare offered comprehensive protections for those with pre-existing conditions. The Graham-Cassidy repeal bill does not.

money.cnn.com

"Here's what the latest Obamacare repeal bill would really do:

Just as in Obamacare, insurers could not turn away those with pre-existing conditions. But it would leave it up to the states whether to continue other protections."

 

[Greenbeard]

Just as in Obamacare, insurers could not turn away those with pre-existing conditions. But it would leave it up to the states whether to continue other protections."

Trump's already allowing insurers to sell coverage that doesn't cover pre-existing conditions today. Via executive action.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

The only people lying here are you all.

Trump's attempt at a new plan in 2017, even according to CNN, preserved the pre-existing condition guarantee.

Here is a CNN analysis of the Republican bill that failed in 2017:

Trump says GOP's health care bill protects pre-existing conditions. Here's the truth

Obamacare offered comprehensive protections for those with pre-existing conditions. The Graham-Cassidy repeal bill does not.

money.cnn.com

"Here's what the latest Obamacare repeal bill would really do:

Just as in Obamacare, insurers could not turn away those with pre-existing conditions. But it would leave it up to the states whether to continue other protections."

Trump has put forth no plan nor made it a priority. We had even more Woodward audio in which Trump detailed McConnell’s only interest: judges. NOthing else.

Trump has no plan to replace. Just repeal and take away pre-existing conditions.

 

[paul342160]

Trump is too incompetent to develop a plan; and he doesn't listen to his medical advisors such as Dr. Fauci. Trump is unfit to be POTUS.

 

[Threegoofs]

But while Trump was bringing back pre-existing conditions he was saying that's not what he was doing! How are we to know whether to believe what Trump's saying or what's actually happening?!

It’s good enough for suckers.

 

[CaughtInThe]

and now all all the Q nutjobs and Trump's political girlfriends have to tell us that Trump didn't lie yet again.

i hope a ton of Americans are tired of these guys and their constant lying.

 

[JasperL]

How?

PLEASE don't say by repealing the ACA.

That's right he plans at some point to issue an EO, that he hasn't done. He's also promised for five years to introduce this awesome healthcare plan that protects those people, and covers everyone, for a lower price, that will be GREAT!!! and we still haven't seen it.

And we can ignore the ACTIONS he has taken that will kill off those protections, because HE PROMISES!!

Give me a break. We're not idiots like the MAGAs.

And the thing is that you ignore is protecting those people with pre-existing conditions is hard. If you allow someone with cancer who is uninsured to get enrolled, then someone other than that patient pays for the vast majority of that care. So when that person is protected, who pays? Are you signing up for higher premiums, or higher taxes, to protect those people? How much will you agree to pay? You whine about the premiums and copays in the ACA. Well, part of those go to fund protections for those with pre-existing conditions. If the insured who have to pay premiums don't pay with higher premiums, then that person "protected" by Trump will pay, maybe $10,000 or $20,000 or $40,000 a month in premiums. Is that how he'll "protect" them? If not them, then it's with higher taxes on someone. So I'd like to see whose taxes go up, wouldn't you?

So who pays?

If he doesn't tell us this, it's like promising my wife a new yacht. Sure, we can buy one, but we'd have to cash in the retirement plans. So is my promise to buy her a yacht, but not telling her the downside of raiding our retirement, meaningful? Of course not. That's what Trump is doing - promising you the candy and all the rest but not telling us who pays for it. It's gutless and dishonest, and only MAGA idiots care about his promises without those details.

 

[Conservative]

Let's just stop there. Trump is trying to repeal the ACA in its entirety. There's no plan to replace it that will protect pre-existing conditions. If the courts agree, they end immediately, and millions will lose subsidies, insurance, the Medicaid expansion goes away, and insurers will be free to exclude and will exclude those with pre-existing conditions.

That's what Trump is doing, what his actions will cause. There is no honest interpretation that repealing the ACA, root and branch, will protect pre-existing conditions. It will end protections, as soon as the ACA is repealed, and Trump has NOTHING on the table that will protect them. All we have from him are a series of empty, broken promises.



Nothing easier or more gutless and worthless than people who sit around saying, "Those guys did it WRONG!!!" but cannot get off their lazy, incompetent asses and improve it. If the ACA was a "complete disaster" why in the hell four years later doesn't your Dear Leader have a plan to fix it?

AS usual you and the rest of the left want to deny reality, taking credit for ACA reducing the uninsured when the reality is ACA left 33 million Americans uninsured but don't let actual facts get in the way of your personal opinion and hatred of Trump. We have states in this country with universal healthcare, why hasn't your state implemented it? You seem to have a real problem understanding that healthcare is a personal issue better handled at the state level vs. one size fits all. You also cannot seem to understand if Medicare for All is created there is no incentive for private companies to offer insurance but rather let Medicare for All take hold. Any idea what 330,000,000 Americans would do to Medicare and actual incentive for the future growth in the number of doctors?

As I have pointed out and ignored our current Medical system has done a better job in managing the virus that other countries with Universal Healthcare as the death percentage to infections shows. Wonder if it has anything to with the long wait times in these countries? Better look at potential consequences for Medicare for All before going beyond the point of no return

 

[JasperL]

The only people lying here are you all.

Trump's attempt at a new plan in 2017, even according to CNN, preserved the pre-existing condition guarantee.

Here is a CNN analysis of the Republican bill that failed in 2017:

Trump says GOP's health care bill protects pre-existing conditions. Here's the truth

Obamacare offered comprehensive protections for those with pre-existing conditions. The Graham-Cassidy repeal bill does not.

money.cnn.com

"Here's what the latest Obamacare repeal bill would really do:

Just as in Obamacare, insurers could not turn away those with pre-existing conditions. But it would leave it up to the states whether to continue other protections."

So Trump's new and greatest plan that's ready to be released is just the same bill that failed in 2017, because pretty much no one supported it? AWESOME!!!

And if you read your own article, insurers couldn't 'turn away' those with pre-existing conditions, but they could charge $10k/month or whatever in premiums. Or they could sell them a plan with a lifetime cap of $50k. Good luck getting many conditions treated for that amount for a lifetime! My arthritis drug costs my insurer about that per YEAR (for most people - I only take it about 1/4th the typical dose). So under the GOP plan, maybe they'd have to cover that drug, for a whole year, then I blow through my cap and all coverage ends. That's some protection!! ALL HAIL TRUMP!! I'm protected for a WHOLE YEAR!!! Then nothing, for anything!!

 

[JasperL]

AS usual you and the rest of the left want to deny reality, taking credit for ACA reducing the uninsured when the reality is ACA left 33 million Americans uninsured but don't let actual facts get in the way of your personal opinion and hatred of Trump. We have states in this country with universal healthcare, why hasn't your state implemented it? You seem to have a real problem understanding that healthcare is a personal issue better handled at the state level vs. one size fits all. You also cannot seem to understand if Medicare for All is created there is no incentive for private companies to offer insurance but rather let Medicare for All take hold. Any idea what 330,000,000 Americans would do to Medicare and actual incentive for the future growth in the number of doctors?

As I have pointed out and ignored our current Medical system has done a better job in managing the virus that other countries with Universal Healthcare as the death percentage to infections shows. Wonder if it has anything to with the long wait times in these countries? Better look at potential consequences for Medicare for All before going beyond the point of no return

I don't support MFA.