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Trump lawyers ask judge to kill Democrats' bid to seize tax returns

You don't know that...it wasn't the IRS that went after Al Capone either...it was the NYDA and it was also the same thing that brought down Manley Sullivan in South Carolina...in neither of those cases did the IRS go after them...it was the federal district attorney. Also, Trump spent 4 years that he could neither be arrested or tried for a criminal act.
And he has been out of office long enough that anything waiting would be indictable!
 
Trumps tx returns demands have always been politically motivitated.

Nevertheless. Had he released them at the beginning of the campaign, just as every other President in living memory has, people wouldn’t be asking what he is trying to hide.
 
And Biden’s new person has full access already!
Who is Biden's new person that you speak of that has full access to Trump's tax returns??
 
Nevertheless. Had he released them at the beginning of the campaign, just as every other President in living memory has, people wouldn’t be asking what he is trying to hide.
My memory is longer than yours. First was 1966. There is no requirement for tax return release, and at this late stage there is no possible reason. There is no exidence of any wrongdoing. Trump is now gone.
 
It's almost like candidates voluntarily showed the public their tax records for decades and decades and decades and decades so the public would have more information when deciding who they want to vote for.

Then the crooked businessman from New York came along, said he was going to release them, lied about it over and over and here we are.

Donald Trump will fight tooth and nail to hide everything about his businesses because he's like the mafia.
An opinion not based on fact. You want them because you can't have them.
 
My memory is longer than yours. First was 1966. There is no requirement for tax return release, and at this late stage there is no possible reason. There is no exidence of any wrongdoing. Trump is now gone.
if a tax crime was committed before or during his time in office that doesn't go away simply because he lost...and if they are looking at legislation based on their findings that certainly is a legitimate reason to have them.
 
the law says differently...
What law? There is no law requiring the release of returns, nor should their be. Age, residency, citizenship. That's it.
 
if a tax crime was committed before or during his time in office that doesn't go away simply because he lost...and if they are looking at legislation based on their findings that certainly is a legitimate reason to have them.
That's just it: If. Is there evidence that a crime was committed?

The US system of justice is not based on if. Or looking.
 
An opinion not based on fact. You want them because you can't have them.
yeah, they didn't keep two sets of books or anything. that's not at all like the Mafia.
 
An opinion not based on fact. You want them because you can't have them.
hell of a logical position you have staked out [/s]

if you had them you would not want to get them

it's no wonder you 'win' so many debates
 
Think of the position Trump has put this federal court.. He is asking a federal court to intervene where there is no longer a controversy now between the executive and legislative branches. He is asking the federal courts to order the executive branch to violate the law.
he's just not a human that cares about laws.

never has. never will. he will steal from his own family.
 
The IRS would have prosecuted him already had the audit detected illegal actions!
false

that's like saying that every tax cheat that has ever cheated on their taxes has already been found out and busted.
 
That's just it: If. Is there evidence that a crime was committed?

The US system of justice is not based on if. Or looking.

So, you want evidence that a crime was committed before... looking for evidence that a crime was committed?
 
The problem existing at the IRS has been Trump's buddy who is commissioner of the IRS, Rettig.

Rettig is also a long-time Trump defender and associate. When Democrats demanded that Trump release his tax returns during the 2016 presidential election, Rettig, speaking then as a private citizen, defended Trump’s refusal as a sound decision for someone under audit. After Trump took office, with pressure mounting from congressional Democrats to reveal his tax returns, Rettig remained outspoken in his support of Trump’s tax opacity. After Trump nominated him, he failed to disclose his financial ties to a Trump-branded hotel in Hawaii prior to his confirmation hearing.




In which has also increased this problem with the IRS:

Audits of Millionaires​

Less than 2 out of every 100 taxpayers reporting over a million dollars of income were audited last year[4]. While the ranks of millionaires have nearly doubled since FY 2012[5], the number of millionaire returns that were audited has actually fallen 72 percent - down from 40,965 millionaire audits in FY 2012 to just 11,331 in FY 2020. See Figure 2.

In FY 2012, audits of millionaires turned up $4.8 billion in unreported taxes. Now with less than a third the number of audits, the government uncovered only $1.2 billion in unreported taxes in FY 2020. With 98 percent of millionaires escaping any scrutiny, fewer audits in all likelihood means many millionaires escape paying billions of dollars owed the U.S. Treasury.
The other scandalous thing is that the "law and order" crowd doesn't want to increase IRS's ability to go after cheats.
 
they can provide it to the court, if a law has been broken and they can change laws based on their findings...that doesn't require the public having it.
So now we are going to pass laws in secret? Lawmakers will be expected to vote on bills without discussing or debating the merits of the bills? Or are you suggesting that the entire Congress be on the committees that will review those tax returns?
 
That's just it: If. Is there evidence that a crime was committed?

The US system of justice is not based on if. Or looking.
If I were smuggling illegal arms into the US, (disclaimer -of which I am not) and any law office/agency gets wind of this, would they not 'begin' to investigate my ass based on ifs or maybes to gather any and all possible facts and evidence before charging me when arrested? There's a lot of "ifs" that launches checking into and investigations by LEOs / detectives and prosecutors. imo
 
What law? There is no law requiring the release of returns, nor should their be. Age, residency, citizenship. That's it.

There is no law requiring public release . That is not what is at issue here. There IS a laws requiring them to be shared with the ways and means committee.
 
There is no law requiring public release . That is not what is at issue here. There IS a laws requiring them to be shared with the ways and means committee.
And those issues seem to be in doubt.

IMO it's a dangerous precedent for granting anyone access to returns for the sole purpose of going on a fishing expedition.
 
So, you want evidence that a crime was committed before... looking for evidence that a crime was committed?
That's the way our system works.
 
And those issues seem to be in doubt.

IMO it's a dangerous precedent for granting anyone access to returns for the sole purpose of going on a fishing expedition.

In doubt by whom? The law is exceedingly clear as well as the history of the law..

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