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TRUMP LAWYER JOHN EASTMAN LITERALLY TOLD A LAWMAKER TO TOSS ABSENTEE VOTES, UNSEAT BIDEN ELECTORS

What do you think the legal argument is?
The PA Supreme Court UnConstitionally extended the statutory deadline for receipt of absentee ballots. So any ballots received after the statutory deadline of election day did not have to be counted.
 
What is it then?
Your partisan and frankly ignorant post says you have no interest in the truth of his argument.
 
The PA Supreme Court UnConstitionally extended the statutory deadline for receipt of absentee ballots. So any ballots received after the statutory deadline of election day did not have to be counted.
All voters were operating under the same rules on election day. You cannot retroactively disenfranchise votes cast in good faith because you don't like the results.

No court in this country would allow for votes that were cast under the rules set forth to be thrown out.

It was the government that screwed up. Not the voter.

Eastman knows better.
 
Your partisan and frankly ignorant post says you have no interest in the truth of his argument.
How convenient for you. Why don't you read the article?

Eastman's argument was for Pennsylvania to declare absentee ballots as illegal votes by finding "signature violations," and to ban observers in order to provide "cover" to throw out these absentee ballots. His stated reason was to justify Pennsylvania appointing new Trump-friendly electors. What do you think this means?
 
All voters were operating under the same rules on election day. You cannot retroactively disenfranchise votes cast in good faith because you don't like the results.

No court in this country would allow for votes that were cast under the rules set forth to be thrown out.

It was the government that screwed up. Not the voter.

Eastman knows better.
If anything, it would have been the PASC that disenfranchised these voters with their illegal act. The statute is/was crystal clear,
 
If anything, it would have been the PASC that disenfranchised these voters with their illegal act. The statute is/was crystal clear,
You can change going forward. You cannot change going back in time votes that were cast in good faith that were done by the rules set forth by the government,
 
You can change going forward. You cannot change going back in time votes that were cast in good faith that were done by the rules set forth by the government,
Change what? The statute was crystal clear. The DEmocrats on the PASC UnCOnstitutionally made up a new rule right before the election to help Democrats.
 
If anything, it would have been the PASC that disenfranchised these voters with their illegal act. The statute is/was crystal clear,

Apparently not that illegal if the USSC declined to hear it


(Highlight is my own to point out the significant part)
WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court declined Monday to hear a dispute over whether absentee ballots received up to three days after Election Day in Pennsylvania should have been counted in the 2020 presidential election.

In a decision that split the court and prompted dissents from three conservative justices, the high court shut down a challenge from Pennsylvania Republicans who sought to block a state court ruling that allowed the deadline extension. But even the dissenting justices acknowledged the legal questions in the case would not have affected the outcome of the November election.
 
Change what? The statute was crystal clear. The DEmocrats on the PASC UnCOnstitutionally made up a new rule right before the election to help Democrats.
All voters were operating under the same rules. The rules did not discriminate.

You can't throw out votes that were cast in good faith. No court would accept the argument that government had the wrong policy so all of the votes that were legally cast under that policy be thrown out. It wouldn't fly. They would rule that going forward that the government cannot implement an election that way without a change in the law but they would not change the past.

You cannot disenfranchise voters like that.
 
Change what? The statute was crystal clear. The DEmocrats on the PASC UnCOnstitutionally made up a new rule right before the election to help Democrats.

That Act (ACT 77) was implemented in 2019 with bi-partisan support and was looked to be changed AFTER Trump lost PA. It was too late to go back and change it....they could have (and I think are) trying to "kill" ACT 77 now


"Act 77 of the Pennsylvania election code was passed in 2019 as the result of a compromise between Republican and Democratic state legislators. Republicans were seeking to end straight-ticket voting, which had allowed voters to select one political party’s slate of candidates, and Democrats wanted to open voting-by-mail to everyone.
Act 77 was implemented in 2019 with Republican support. But Republicans changed their views on the law after Trump lost the state, with many of them embracing the former president’s false claims that widespread fraud tied to mail-in ballots was behind his defeat."
 
Apparently not that illegal if the USSC declined to hear it
Quite unfortunate, IMHO. The lesson being taught to capture a partisan majority on your state Supreme Court and the you can change the statutory rules right before an election to favor your party.
 
All voters were operating under the same rules. The rules did not discriminate.

You can't throw out votes that were cast in good faith. No court would accept the argument that government had the wrong policy so all of the votes that were legally cast under that policy be thrown out. It wouldn't fly. They would rule that going forward that the government cannot implement an election that way without a change in the law but they would not change the past.

You cannot disenfranchise voters like that.
See above
 
That Act (ACT 77) was implemented in 2019 with bi-partisan support and was looked to be changed AFTER Trump lost PA. It was too late to go back and change it....they could have (and I think are) trying to "kill" ACT 77 now


"Act 77 of the Pennsylvania election code was passed in 2019 as the result of a compromise between Republican and Democratic state legislators. Republicans were seeking to end straight-ticket voting, which had allowed voters to select one political party’s slate of candidates, and Democrats wanted to open voting-by-mail to everyone.
Act 77 was implemented in 2019 with Republican support. But Republicans changed their views on the law after Trump lost the state, with many of them embracing the former president’s false claims that widespread fraud tied to mail-in ballots was behind his defeat."
Solid decision, IMHO. Again the state Constitution is clear.
 
You can believe what you want.

Eastman knows better... and he pushed this.

In a just world he would be branded what he is... a traitor.
Whether or not you like it or even recognize it, he made a solid legal argument to the legislature that under PA law that those ballots received after the statutory deadline should not be counted. He didn't simply argue 'Throw out enough ballots for Trump to win.'
 
Quite unfortunate, IMHO. The lesson being taught to capture a partisan majority on your state Supreme Court and the you can change the statutory rules right before an election to favor your party.

But again - in a later post...the Democrats did not change this all by themselves, so that argument seems a bit moot, yes? Plus, as was highlighted in the post this reply was to - -it wouldn't have changed the totals enough to have effected Biden's PA win according to even the dissenting Justices
 
From where I sit, the mounting evidence against John Eastman continues to grow that further supports the T-Right's effort to overthrow the election result. In this recent trove of emails, Eastman recruits PA State Rep Russ Diamond to be a major part of his plan. May justice do what it's supposed to do and bring these guys down.



Before he urged Vice President Mike Pence to unilaterally hand the 2020 election to Donald Trump, right-wing lawyer John Eastman, who represented Trump after the election, floated a somewhat subtler, but no less extreme plan to undermine Joe Biden’s victory: Throw out absentee ballots, recount the votes, and use the new totals to “provide some cover” for Republican legislatures to appoint their own electors. “Having done that math,” Eastman wrote in a December 2020 email to a Pennsylvania state lawmaker, “you’d be left with a significant Trump lead that would bolster the argument for the Legislature adopting a slate of Trump electors.”


The Pennsylvania plan, which Eastman proposed from his email account at University of Colorado, where he was a visiting professor, provides yet another glimpse into the Trump team’s relentless efforts to subvert democracy in 2020. It was part of a trove of emails obtained by the Colorado Ethics Institute and sent in April to the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack, which has been fighting in court to obtain more than 3,000 documents from Eastman related to the probe. The Denver Post first reported on his proposal to recalibrate the Pennsylvania popular vote.


In the December 4 guidance to Republican State Representative Russ Diamond, one of 26 pro-Trump radicals in the Pennsylvania legislature who had already pushed for the state’s results to be decertified, Eastman suggested GOP lawmakers “adopt a resolution that has the Legislature simply affirming what appears to have been the result of the popular vote untainted by the illegal votes.” Adjusting the total without those so-called “illegal votes” — absentee ballots, those with supposed “signature verification violations,” and “perhaps the banning of observers” — could give “cover” to Pennsylvania Republicans seeking to appoint new electors, Eastman said.
Ok you people have been Gaslit for too long !!!!

Please THINK ABOUT IT !!!! Not what the DEM's & Media Tell you to think, but REASON what has happened!!!!

So Big ol' bad Trump said the Election was stolen and says he has the Evidence! He has tried to go to court >50 times, and most cases we NOT LOOKED at due to "Lack of Standing", "Denied on statutory basis" (one was dismissed because it was after 4PM!)...
So Trump is more than willing to go to court, get sworn under oath and prove he's right !!!...

Now the Left , media, tell you Trump is lying, everything he's says is not true ect.... They also Claim that Trump is Breaking laws????.... Ok!

We all know that TRUMP DID call Brad Raffensperger (GA Sec of State) Told him Straight out to "Find me 11,780 Votes so I can win" !!!!
This is an undeniable FACT!!!!..... (Right!)

So how IS IT POSSIBLE that the DEM's & Media, whom have tried to Impeach Trump for lies , WILLL NOT charge him for this Call????
"IF" Trump is lying, about the Election being stolen, then this call to a Sec of State demanding Votes is Abuse of Power and TREASON!!!! Right??? .....

So you people on the Left can't have it both ways!
If he is doing something illegal you already have enough evidence to jail (and hang for Treason) Trump!....
Yet here you are getting all riled up because Trump is still saying the same damn things that he has been saying since the Election !!!!....
 
Ok you people have been Gaslit for too long !!!!

Please THINK ABOUT IT !!!! Not what the DEM's & Media Tell you to think, but REASON what has happened!!!!

So Big ol' bad Trump said the Election was stolen and says he has the Evidence! He has tried to go to court >50 times, and most cases we NOT LOOKED at due to "Lack of Standing", "Denied on statutory basis" (one was dismissed because it was after 4PM!)...
So Trump is more than willing to go to court, get sworn under oath and prove he's right !!!...

Now the Left , media, tell you Trump is lying, everything he's says is not true ect.... They also Claim that Trump is Breaking laws????.... Ok!

We all know that TRUMP DID call Brad Raffensperger (GA Sec of State) Told him Straight out to "Find me 11,780 Votes so I can win" !!!!
This is an undeniable FACT!!!!..... (Right!)

So how IS IT POSSIBLE that the DEM's & Media, whom have tried to Impeach Trump for lies , WILLL NOT charge him for this Call????
"IF" Trump is lying, about the Election being stolen, then this call to a Sec of State demanding Votes is Abuse of Power and TREASON!!!! Right??? .....

So you people on the Left can't have it both ways!
If he is doing something illegal you already have enough evidence to jail (and hang for Treason) Trump!....
Yet here you are getting all riled up because Trump is still saying the same damn things that he has been saying since the Election !!!!....


I think you dropped something
 

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Whether or not you like it or even recognize it, he made a solid legal argument to the legislature that under PA law that those ballots received after the statutory deadline should not be counted. He didn't simply argue 'Throw out enough ballots for Trump to win.'
He didn’t make a solid legal argument.

He literally said that they should throw out votes and replace it with a number that would guarantee that Trump wins.
 
The PA Supreme Court UnConstitionally extended the statutory deadline for receipt of absentee ballots. So any ballots received after the statutory deadline of election day did not have to be counted.

Please share the US Supreme Court ruling that overturned the PA SC decision. If not, it is just your opinion that is was Unconstitutional .
 
I think you dropped something
Thank you !!!!
So you can't prove ANY of my Statements wrong, so you have to divert the conversation with silly pictures!
That's an omission, by you, that I'm right, and you know it!
 
Ok you people have been Gaslit for too long !!!!

Please THINK ABOUT IT !!!! Not what the DEM's & Media Tell you to think, but REASON what has happened!!!!

So Big ol' bad Trump said the Election was stolen and says he has the Evidence! He has tried to go to court >50 times, and most cases we NOT LOOKED at due to "Lack of Standing", "Denied on statutory basis" (one was dismissed because it was after 4PM!)...
So Trump is more than willing to go to court, get sworn under oath and prove he's right !!!...

Now the Left , media, tell you Trump is lying, everything he's says is not true ect.... They also Claim that Trump is Breaking laws????.... Ok!

We all know that TRUMP DID call Brad Raffensperger (GA Sec of State) Told him Straight out to "Find me 11,780 Votes so I can win" !!!!
This is an undeniable FACT!!!!..... (Right!)

So how IS IT POSSIBLE that the DEM's & Media, whom have tried to Impeach Trump for lies , WILLL NOT charge him for this Call????
"IF" Trump is lying, about the Election being stolen, then this call to a Sec of State demanding Votes is Abuse of Power and TREASON!!!! Right??? .....

So you people on the Left can't have it both ways!
If he is doing something illegal you already have enough evidence to jail (and hang for Treason) Trump!....
Yet here you are getting all riled up because Trump is still saying the same damn things that he has been saying since the Election !!!!....
Trump’s activities in Georgia Are currently under investigation there.
 
But again - in a later post...the Democrats did not change this all by themselves, so that argument seems a bit moot, yes?

No, the Democrats on the PASC changed the deadline for acceptance of Absentee Ballots all by themselves.

Plus, as was highlighted in the post this reply was to - -it wouldn't have changed the totals enough to have effected Biden's PA win according to even the dissenting Justices

No. What Thomas actually said was that "That decision to rewrite the rules seems to have affected too few ballots to change the outcome of any federal election," The actual number of ballots was not before the Court, only the legal question.
 
He didn’t make a solid legal argument.

He literally said that they should throw out votes and replace it with a number that would guarantee that Trump wins.
Believe what you like.
 
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