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Trump is trapped and tanking

Rogue Valley said:
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Trump is no longer the unknown outsider he was in 2016. IMHO, Americans have already had their fill of Donald Trump and his dysfunctional government.
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This right here. Promises made, promises broken.
 
Rogue Valley said:
To our robust health :party

Well, Trump ran as the "outsider". Drain the swamp and all that campaign rubbish.

Have faith. Trump has a knack of exacerbating his ineptitude.
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Red:
That he did.

Like...
  • "Mexico's going to pay.
  • Getting rid of $19T of national debt.
  • Reviving the coal industry.
  • Negotiating country-specific trade deals in place of the TPP.
  • Effecting infrastructure renovations.
  • Draining the swamp.
  • Favoring the middle class.
  • Repealing and replacing O-care.
  • Having nothing to do with/in Russia.
  • ...So many other things...
...that was just one more of his many misrepresentations of reality that a huge plurality of abject idiots actually believed.

Trump's saying "X be" is, as it was in 2015/-16, among the best reasons to presume the opposite of X more nearly so than be X.


Blue:
That he does.
 
veritas1 said:
As long as Democrats don't bother to show up, there are no negotiations. They'd have been wise to take Trump's original 1.8 million dreamer offer for wall funding and other changes but they insisted on keeping the visa lottery and chain migration. Now, that has been magically spun as Trump's fault when he offered nearly three times the number of DACA people than the Dems originally wanted. They take a perverse pleasure in not making any deals with Trump.
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Again, temporary for 3 years, that isn't negotiating. The one taking a perverse pleasure is Trump for wanting an ego wall. Holding federal workers hostage is not the way to negotiate.
 
Rogue Valley said:
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Have faith. Trump has a knack of exacerbating his ineptitude.
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Trump also has a knack for making like a rat and swimming to shore and living to spread his plague another day. But he only won his election by a few thousand strategically placed votes so he doesn't have a lot of room for attrition of enthusiasm.

In Wisconsin in 2018 the GOP kept the state legislature, but purely because of gerrymandering. Democrats won the statewide races. And now the shutdown. I don't think Trump can win Wisconsin again.
 
Amelia said:
Trump had agreed to the Democrats' plan. HE would have been better off taking the deal. Instead he let the Freedom Caucus get in his ear and blow it up ... on their way to Congressional defeat. And now he's dealing with an emboldened Democratic party and a weakened Freedom Caucus and hurting millions of Americans to try to get a fraction of what he turned down the year before.
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"The Art of the Deal"
 
Xelor said:
Red:
I agree the shutdown has the potential to do that, but I think it premature to make the "red" declaration you have. This shutdown, among shutdowns, is sui generis, but even so, it's just too soon to form a strong stance re: it's 2020 election impact. It is because many things, any number of which may override the shutdown in voters' 2020 presidential election "calculus," can happen between then and now.

For instance, if "the big one" strikes somewhere in CA, WA, OR while the government is shutdown, the shutdown could have a big impact. If the US finds itself in a war in, say, Venezuela, the shutdown won't matter much, and Trump would get the "war bump." (I mention that because of recent events in Venezuela and Russia's recently increased involvement, to put it mildly, there.) If the recession hits ahead of the election, Trump'll almost certainly, absent a war, be "toast."

Those are just some things within the realm of plausibility and that could indeed come about. There are plenty more that are equally and less "dramatic" that could coalesce to obviate the impact of the shutdown.
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Russia's involvement there! When a President of the US recognizes the new "leader" as he deposes the old as quickly as Trump has, it is the surest sign you will ever have that we are and have been down there fiddling and diddling in a regime change effort as has so often been our practice.
 
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