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Trump is Right to Question Hispanic Judge

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This message comes to us courtesy that bastion of Trump worship known as Breitbart. Breitbart, which has proven its love for Trump on so many occassions from questioning the story of its own reporter to backstabbing former employees. Breitbart, which has taken upon itself to help "explain" the alt-right movement, and thereby prompting the Southern Poverty Law Center to ask whether Breitbart is becoming the media arm of the alt-right movement.

So the basic gist of their argument is that questioning the bias of a judge is a time honored tradition and necessary to the fair functioning of the US Justice System. This ignores the fact that such a tactic is supposed to take place through a motion filed by the attorneys involved in the case - not by a party in front of the media. They also note that the Judge is part of a Hispanic Group of Attorneys and Judges located in the local area and that this group's name includes "La Raza" or "the race." Of course they forget to explain that this group is not associated in any form or fashion with the national La Raza group nor do they explain (beyond a few "isn't it reasonable" types of questions) how being apart of a group that attempts to further the interests of a demographic group means that this specific individual will be biased against Trump.

Breitbart even tries to allege the following, "Judge Curiel’s integrity is not being questioned by Trump just because of his Hispanic heritage. Trump is merely asserting that a person’s heritage does not foreclose a proper inquiry into their political activism and potential biases."

Seriously? That's an interesting way of interpreting the fact that Trump explicitly brought up the Judge's hispanic lineage, on his own, while simultaneously claiming that meant the judge suffered from an "absolute conflict of interest" because Trump wants to build a wall.

At this point, should Breitbart just re-name themselves into Trump.com? Or perhaps Alt-right.com?

Why even pretend to be a journalistic source for news.
 

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This message comes to us courtesy that bastion of Trump worship known as Breitbart. Breitbart, which has proven its love for Trump on so many occassions from questioning the story of its own reporter to backstabbing former employees. Breitbart, which has taken upon itself to help "explain" the alt-right movement, and thereby prompting the Southern Poverty Law Center to ask whether Breitbart is becoming the media arm of the alt-right movement.

So the basic gist of their argument is that questioning the bias of a judge is a time honored tradition and necessary to the fair functioning of the US Justice System. This ignores the fact that such a tactic is supposed to take place through a motion filed by the attorneys involved in the case - not by a party in front of the media. They also note that the Judge is part of a Hispanic Group of Attorneys and Judges located in the local area and that this group's name includes "La Raza" or "the race." Of course they forget to explain that this group is not associated in any form or fashion with the national La Raza group nor do they explain (beyond a few "isn't it reasonable" types of questions) how being apart of a group that attempts to further the interests of a demographic group means that this specific individual will be biased against Trump.

Breitbart even tries to allege the following, "Judge Curiel’s integrity is not being questioned by Trump just because of his Hispanic heritage. Trump is merely asserting that a person’s heritage does not foreclose a proper inquiry into their political activism and potential biases."

Seriously? That's an interesting way of interpreting the fact that Trump explicitly brought up the Judge's hispanic lineage, on his own, while simultaneously claiming that meant the judge suffered from an "absolute conflict of interest" because Trump wants to build a wall.

At this point, should Breitbart just re-name themselves into Trump.com? Or perhaps Alt-right.com?

Why even pretend to be a journalistic source for news.

Trump is making a cynical attempt to influence a judge. He's in effect calling the US judiciary seriously flawed. If he's successful in this line he'll torpedo the whole system. A Jewish defendant could point at a judge with a German name, an Irish Catholic could question the impartiality of a Protestant judge, and as for racial lines, well, might as well just scrap it all and start over.
 

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Trump is making a cynical attempt to influence a judge. He's in effect calling the US judiciary seriously flawed. If he's successful in this line he'll torpedo the whole system. A Jewish defendant could point at a judge with a German name, an Irish Catholic could question the impartiality of a Protestant judge, and as for racial lines, well, might as well just scrap it all and start over.

Let's be fair. The System would only be ruined in the situations where the person making the accusation against the judge has, himself or herself, made some very public statements that are objectively racist, xenophobic, sexist, ethnicist, etc.

*sighs*

Also, I just read that Trump is currently facing Hispanic judges in several federal courts. I guess that it's time for them to recuse themselves as well?
 

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Former attorney general: Trump right to question judge’s fairness


Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales says Donald Trump is right to challenge the fairness a judge overseeing lawsuits against him.

[...]

“These circumstances, while not necessarily conclusive, at least raise a legitimate question to be considered,” said Gonzales, who was attorney general for former President George W. Bush.​

Former attorney general: Trump right to question judge’s fairness | TheHill
 
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Trump is making a cynical attempt to influence a judge. He's in effect calling the US judiciary seriously flawed. If he's successful in this line he'll torpedo the whole system. A Jewish defendant could point at a judge with a German name, an Irish Catholic could question the impartiality of a Protestant judge, and as for racial lines, well, might as well just scrap it all and start over.

Why stop at the courts?

That cop over there is black....

Wait, that's already the case. So much for the next president addressing the race issue
 

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And now the big baby has his people whining about the Vast Liberal Conspiracy:

There’s an injustice occurring here,” Pierson said. “The media doesn’t understand it. That’s the way it has always been for Republicans. He is not backing down because the media wants to pressure, call him names, call him racist. Doesn’t matter which GOP individual comes out, they’re not there and they don’t have the facts. That’s why Mr. Trump is the nominee.”

Trump Campaign: Female Judges Could Be Biased, Too


They make up roughly 50% of the country and they still act like professional victims....

:2bigcry:
 

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This message comes to us courtesy that bastion of Trump worship known as Breitbart. Breitbart, which has proven its love for Trump on so many occassions from questioning the story of its own reporter to backstabbing former employees. Breitbart, which has taken upon itself to help "explain" the alt-right movement, and thereby prompting the Southern Poverty Law Center to ask whether Breitbart is becoming the media arm of the alt-right movement.

So the basic gist of their argument is that questioning the bias of a judge is a time honored tradition and necessary to the fair functioning of the US Justice System. This ignores the fact that such a tactic is supposed to take place through a motion filed by the attorneys involved in the case - not by a party in front of the media. They also note that the Judge is part of a Hispanic Group of Attorneys and Judges located in the local area and that this group's name includes "La Raza" or "the race." Of course they forget to explain that this group is not associated in any form or fashion with the national La Raza group nor do they explain (beyond a few "isn't it reasonable" types of questions) how being apart of a group that attempts to further the interests of a demographic group means that this specific individual will be biased against Trump.

Breitbart even tries to allege the following, "Judge Curiel’s integrity is not being questioned by Trump just because of his Hispanic heritage. Trump is merely asserting that a person’s heritage does not foreclose a proper inquiry into their political activism and potential biases."

Seriously? That's an interesting way of interpreting the fact that Trump explicitly brought up the Judge's hispanic lineage, on his own, while simultaneously claiming that meant the judge suffered from an "absolute conflict of interest" because Trump wants to build a wall.

At this point, should Breitbart just re-name themselves into Trump.com? Or perhaps Alt-right.com?

Why even pretend to be a journalistic source for news.

The judge's prejudice against Trump is clear by him releasing sealed documents. It is strange that selective documents in a court case get released without releasing all depositions by both plaintiff and defendant lawyers, especially when the documents are made public at the request of the media. Couple the fact that $700,000 in support for Clinton by HIS group, releasing sealed documents, refusal to dismiss a lawsuit where the plaintiff dropped out - looks pretty biased to me, and the judge should have recuse himself. . A rape victim as a judge will NOT oversee rape cases. A judge who had his son murdered, will NOT preside over a child murder case. A judge who is part of a the Razo el Mexico or whatever , SHOULD NOT preside over a case where the defendent wants to build a wall to Mexico and deport illegals.
 

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And here I'd thought I'd seen it all from these slimeballs...



“Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment,” Ryan said. “I think that should be absolutely disavowed. It’s absolutely unacceptable.”

Reacting to Ryan’s remarks on CNN, Lord employed the old “I’m rubber, you’re glue” strategy.

“Speaker Ryan has apparently switched positions and is now supporting identity politics. Which is racist,” he said. “I mean, I am astonished. Astonished. I mean, I like Paul Ryan, a lot.”


CNN's Jeffrey Lord Says Paul Ryan Is The Real Racist For Criticizing Trump



If you mention the possible existence of racism, that makes you a racist. Dear The Right, thanks for that nugget of "wisdom',,,,
 

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Trump is making a cynical attempt to influence a judge. He's in effect calling the US judiciary seriously flawed. If he's successful in this line he'll torpedo the whole system. A Jewish defendant could point at a judge with a German name, an Irish Catholic could question the impartiality of a Protestant judge, and as for racial lines, well, might as well just scrap it all and start over.

Incomplete comparison. Now if that judge with a German name also belonged to an org called the Third Reich Lawyers Association (even if they assert there is no connection to the Third Reich), AND that judge ordered the release of documents before the trial - then you have an accurate comparison.
 

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This message comes to us courtesy that bastion of Trump worship known as Breitbart. Breitbart, which has proven its love for Trump on so many occassions from questioning the story of its own reporter to backstabbing former employees. Breitbart, which has taken upon itself to help "explain" the alt-right movement, and thereby prompting the Southern Poverty Law Center to ask whether Breitbart is becoming the media arm of the alt-right movement.

So the basic gist of their argument is that questioning the bias of a judge is a time honored tradition and necessary to the fair functioning of the US Justice System. This ignores the fact that such a tactic is supposed to take place through a motion filed by the attorneys involved in the case - not by a party in front of the media. They also note that the Judge is part of a Hispanic Group of Attorneys and Judges located in the local area and that this group's name includes "La Raza" or "the race." Of course they forget to explain that this group is not associated in any form or fashion with the national La Raza group nor do they explain (beyond a few "isn't it reasonable" types of questions) how being apart of a group that attempts to further the interests of a demographic group means that this specific individual will be biased against Trump.

Breitbart even tries to allege the following, "Judge Curiel’s integrity is not being questioned by Trump just because of his Hispanic heritage. Trump is merely asserting that a person’s heritage does not foreclose a proper inquiry into their political activism and potential biases."

Seriously? That's an interesting way of interpreting the fact that Trump explicitly brought up the Judge's hispanic lineage, on his own, while simultaneously claiming that meant the judge suffered from an "absolute conflict of interest" because Trump wants to build a wall.

At this point, should Breitbart just re-name themselves into Trump.com? Or perhaps Alt-right.com?

Why even pretend to be a journalistic source for news.
The Judge has made some questionable decisions regarding this case.
Because of these questionable decisions Trump believes the Judge is biased.
The only thing he could possibly be biased against him for is for his recent political stances, some of which directly have a relation to the Judge's heritage.


The Judge is a member of the LA Raza Lawyers Association.
This Association are activists who support illegals which Trump is against.​


This Judge is a member of the Hispanic National Bar Association
This Association put out a National Press Briefing being against Trump's business interests. That is being against Trump.


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Former attorney general: Trump right to question judge’s fairness

Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales says Donald Trump is right to challenge the fairness a judge overseeing lawsuits against him.

[...]

“These circumstances, while not necessarily conclusive, at least raise a legitimate question to be considered,” said Gonzales, who was attorney general for former President George W. Bush.​

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...h-ag-trump-right-to-challenge-judges-fairness
 

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The judge's prejudice against Trump is clear by him releasing sealed documents. It is strange that selective documents in a court case get released without releasing all depositions by both plaintiff and defendant lawyers, especially when the documents are made public at the request of the media. Couple the fact that $700,000 in support for Clinton by HIS group, releasing sealed documents, refusal to dismiss a lawsuit where the plaintiff dropped out - looks pretty biased to me, and the judge should have recuse himself. . A rape victim as a judge will NOT oversee rape cases. A judge who had his son murdered, will NOT preside over a child murder case. A judge who is part of a the Razo el Mexico or whatever , SHOULD NOT preside over a case where the defendent wants to build a wall to Mexico and deport illegals.

Keep on barking up that tree.

If Trump's attorneys felt the judge was biased enough that he should recuse himself, they would have filed the motion.
 

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The Judge has made some questionable decisions regarding this case.
Because of these questionable decisions Trump believes the Judge is biased.
The only thing he could possibly be biased against him for is for his recent political stances, some of which directly have a relation to the Judge's heritage.

Keep on humping that tree ExCon.

Trump's lawyers will surely rely on your alt-right induced research when they file their motion for this judge to recuse himself (something they have yet to do despite having several years to do just that).

By the way, Trump is sitting in front of several hispanic judges - should they all recuse themselves? How about any female judges? Or Muslim judges? Or Black Judges? How about young judges?

I mean all of those groups hold massive unfavorable ratings as it relates to Trump in part because of policies that he supports that would hurt those groups.
 

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Keep on humping that tree ExCon.

Trump's lawyers will surely rely on your
This is a sign that you can not formulate a relevant answer to the information that was provided.
Thank you for the admittance.
2. This isn't about me. Get a grip.
 

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This is a sign that you can not formulate a relevant answer to the information that was provided.
Thank you for the admittance.
2. This isn't about me. Get a grip.

Oh my bad, I didn't think you were capable of engaging in a rational discussion. Ok, here is the flaw with every. single. one. of. your. points.

Proving bias on behalf of a judge requires that you prove, wait for it, bias on behalf of that singular individual. Pointing out that he is associated, in some shape or form, with an organization that, in some shape or form, has interests that might, in some shape or form, be negatively impacted by a President Trump does not qualify.

When you have something from Judge Curiel HIMSELF that shows a level of bias beyond "unfair" (but legally justifiable) rulings, then you can come back to me.

The fact that Gonzalez says it is OK to question the bias of a Judge does not mean that Trump should be the one to do it and it certainly does not mean that Trump should lay the blame for that alleged bias at the feet of the Judge's Mexican Parents.
 
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Far be it from me to throw petrol on a flame, but I've been reading about some linkages between the Judge, a LaRaza offshoot he belongs to, a law firm involved in the lawsuit in question, Hillary Clinton, her campaigns, her support, and her own past.
It sounds ugly but I guess it can be all a coincidence.
Not a direct straight line from the Judge to Hillary, but does it have to be?

Megyn Kelly mentioned a small part of it yesterday but went out of her way to brush it off.

Anyway ...take it for what it's worth from a source many will dismiss but here it is ... make your own call.

U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who has been criticized by Donald Trump as a “hater” appointed by President Obama who should be recused from the case, listed his membership in the “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” on a judicial questionnaire he filled out when he was selected to be a federal judge. He was named in a brochure as a member of the selection committee for the organization’s 2014 Annual Scholarship Fund Dinner & Gala. Meanwhile, the San-Diego based law firm representing the plaintiffs in the Trump University case, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, was listed as a sponsor of the event.

WND reported the San Diego firm paid $675,000 to the Clintons for speeches,
and the firm’s founder is a wealthy San Diego lawyer who served a two-year sentence in federal prison for his role in a kickback scheme to mobilize plaintiffs for class-action lawsuits.


While critics of Trump have argued that the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ association is not affiliated with the National Council of La Raza, consider the following:
The San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is a member of the La Raza Lawyers of California, affiliated with the Chicano/Latino Bar Association of California.
On the website of the La Raza Lawyers Association of California, at the bottom of the “Links & Affiliates Page,” the National Council of La Raza is listed.
The website of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is joint-listed as San Diego’s Latino/Latina Bar Association.


In 2007, Hillary Clinton named Raul Yzaguirre, the former president of the National Council of La Raza, to co-chair her presidential campaign and to lead its outreach to Hispanic voters.
...
Clinton addressed the National Council of La Raza annual conference in Kansas City, Missouri, in July 2015.
In the speech, Hillary attacked Trump, characterizing him as engaging in hate speech toward Latinos.




Judge, law firm bringing Trump U case both tied to La Raza
 

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Keep on barking up that tree.

If Trump's attorneys felt the judge was biased enough that he should recuse himself, they would have filed the motion.

Yeah , and everyone is picking on Saint Hillary too ! :lamo:lamo
 

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Keep on barking up that tree.

If Trump's attorneys felt the judge was biased enough that he should recuse himself, they would have filed the motion.

WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”
In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Court colleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees."
 

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WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”
In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Court colleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees."

And I assume you have a point as to why a quote from Justice Sotomayor from 2000 and ****ing 1 about the influence of a person's racial and sexual identity on their judicial decisions, in general, has a direct bearing on a completely different ****ing judge 15 years later in terms of his ability to rule on this one SPECIFIC case?

Oh wait! I get it! Justice Sotomayor is Hispanic. And this guy is Hispanic!

They're practically the same person!
 
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Oh my bad, I didn't think you were capable of engaging in a rational discussion.
iLOL Said the one who hasn't made a rational argument yet.


Proving bias on behalf of a judge requires that you prove, wait for it, bias on behalf of that singular individual. Pointing out that he is associated, in some shape or form, with an organization that, in some shape or form, has interests that might, in some shape or form, be negatively impacted by a President Trump does not qualify..
Besides being wrong.
Proof is not needed to suggest the appearance exists, which it does.

And the Judges membership with an organization that is out to boycott Trump and harm him because of his political stances is very compelling.
That Judge, who is a member, is in a position to do just that.


The fact that Gonzalez says it is OK to question the bias of a Judge does not mean that Trump should be the one to do it
There is that irrationality again.

Of course Trump should be the one to do.
 

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WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”
In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Court colleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees."



See bold.

Who cares? Who besides Trump propagandists care what happened 15 years ago.

I repeat. If Trump has a case, he can and should move legally to remove said judge, not try the case in public. Either he's totally bull****ting about having all these "great people" or he knows he's ****ed and is trying to get out of it.

Either way, he's dishonest.
 

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iLOL Said the one who hasn't made a rational argument yet.

Besides being wrong.
Proof is not needed to suggest the appearance exists, which it does.

And the Judges membership with an organization that is out to boycott Trump and harm him because of his political stances is very compelling.
That Judge, who is a member, is in a position to do just that.

There is that irrationality again.

Of course Trump should be the one to do.

ExCon, Listen man. Let's be real. You and I both know that this is not a winning argument. That Trump is not winning the narrative on this. That accusing a judge of being unable to rule on your case because of where his parents were born is racist and that accussing those people who question and/or claim that such is racist is not racist itself.

If you want to keep clinging to that sinking ship, you go ahead and do it.
 

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ExCon, Listen man. Let's be real. You and I both know that this is not a winning argument. That Trump is not winning the narrative on this. That accusing a judge of being unable to rule on your case because of where his parents were born is racist and that accussing those people who question and/or claim that such is racist is not racist itself.

If you want to keep clinging to that sinking ship, you go ahead and do it.

I fear you ask the impossible of the incapable.
 

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The judge's prejudice against Trump is clear by him releasing sealed documents. It is strange that selective documents in a court case get released without releasing all depositions by both plaintiff and defendant lawyers, especially when the documents are made public at the request of the media. Couple the fact that $700,000 in support for Clinton by HIS group, releasing sealed documents, refusal to dismiss a lawsuit where the plaintiff dropped out - looks pretty biased to me, and the judge should have recuse himself. . A rape victim as a judge will NOT oversee rape cases. A judge who had his son murdered, will NOT preside over a child murder case. A judge who is part of a the Razo el Mexico or whatever , SHOULD NOT preside over a case where the defendent wants to build a wall to Mexico and deport illegals.

Funny how Trump's lawyers in the case of the gigantic scam that is Trump University don't agree with you. In their words, the Judge is doing his job. You Trumpies need to get out more.
 

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ExCon, Listen man. Let's be real. You and I both know that this is not a winning argument. That Trump is not winning the narrative on this. That accusing a judge of being unable to rule on your case because of where his parents were born is racist and that accussing those people who question and/or claim that such is racist is not racist itself.

If you want to keep clinging to that sinking ship, you go ahead and do it.
Stop with the delusions.
There is nothing wrong with what he said except in the convoluted irrational bias of Trump haters.
 
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