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Trump Is Compromised by Russia

hanger4 said:
"you guys", it always amuses me when posters paint with that broad brush. I'm arguing the know facts, I'm not assuming things that aren't known.
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Defending Trump does put you into a category of being a Trump supporter and when "you guys" is used, it generally means Trump supporters.
 
CEngelbrecht said:
Worst to happen to Putin... sure.



Worst to happen to Putin... except for Clinton as US President.

"Keep pushing The Big Lie, comrade. Amerikanskies really are that thick! They want to be told what to think!"
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Of course they were happy with Trump's election. They knew the unhinged reaction, vitriol and divisiveness that would erupt out of the left here. It was all about dividing us and liberals have played their part well.
 
veritas1 said:
Of course they were happy with Trump's election. They knew the unhinged reaction, vitriol and divisiveness that would erupt out of the left here. It was all about dividing us and liberals have played their part well.
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And the Earth is flat. I know.

A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
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Luckyone said:
Defending Trump does put you into a category of being a Trump supporter and when "you guys" is used, it generally means Trump supporters.
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You said you didn't know if an offer was made, but just considering could be a violation of the law. As Felix Sater said his idea lasted about 2 min. You can just as well assume when he brought it up it was shot down immediately.
 
CEngelbrecht said:
"Just keep saying the left. The left, the left, the left. Americans want to be told what to believe."
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No doubt that's what Democrats think. They've been telling them what to believe about Trump for two years non stop.
 
veritas1 said:
No doubt that's what Democrats think. They've been telling them what to believe about Trump for two years non stop.
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"Just keep saying Democrats, comrade. Keep pushing that wedge. They are that stupid!"

"The effect created by such Internet trolls is not very big, but they manage to make certain forums meaningless because people stop commenting on the articles when these trolls sit there and constantly create an aggressive, hostile atmosphere toward those whom they don’t like. The trolls react to certain news with torrents of mud and abuse. This makes it meaningless for a reasonable person to comment on anything there."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
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100 posts a day, init, comrade?
 
CEngelbrecht said:
"Just keep saying Democrats, comrade. Keep pushing that wedge. They are that stupid!"

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100 posts a day, init, comrade?
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No, it's about 15 per day. I see you're as good at math as you are at commentary.
 
Mach said:
So tell me seriously, how do American Trump nutters rate against the EU's nutters? I have a sad feeling they are about the same.
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The nutters in Europe are kept out of office.

It was almost as if Putin had picked Trump’s Cabinet. The U.S. president, of course, did the choosing, but the pattern of all these individuals, and their alignment with Russian interests, forms a constellation. Call it Ursa Major. A big Russian bear Robert Mueller is now hunting—at Deutsche Bank and beyond.
https://www.newsweek.com/2017/12/29/donald-trump-russia-secret-deutsche-bank-753780.html
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CEngelbrecht said:
The nutters in Europe are kept out of office.

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I'm talking about the regular folk, like the one you were debating earlier who can't ever tell the truth.
Trump is a first for the U.S. I think his celebrity, charisma, and personal wealth, opened the door in ways that altogether, combined with a complete narcissistic crazy man, are hard to replicate. I do not think this is a new norm.

that said, we only have this because of our right wing media. Half our populations information about politics comes from a handful of closely aligned "party aligned sources". They, have just gotten worse, and stronger...so while Trump is likely the an oddity/mistake, we still have that propaganda arm and 40% of our population that faithfully believes it.

In that respect, were ****ed.
 
Mach said:
I'm talking about the regular folk, like the one you were debating earlier who can't ever tell the truth.
Trump is a first for the U.S. I think his celebrity, charisma, and personal wealth, opened the door in ways that altogether, combined with a complete narcissistic crazy man, are hard to replicate. I do not think this is a new norm.

that said, we only have this because of our right wing media. Half our populations information about politics comes from a handful of closely aligned "party aligned sources". They, have just gotten worse, and stronger...so while Trump is likely the an oddity/mistake, we still have that propaganda arm and 40% of our population that faithfully believes it.

In that respect, were ****ed.
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You're making the erronous assumption, that the votes are actually counted.
 
Mach said:
So tell me seriously, how do American Trump nutters rate against the EU's nutters? I have a sad feeling they are about the same.
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Apparently, not joining the torch and pitchfork brigade of inveterate Trump haters, makes one a "nutter".
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It's always the Cover up:
Donald Trump: “No one in my campaign met with Russia.”
Sarah Sanders: “No contacts took place with Russia.”
Jeff Sessions: “I did not have communications with the Russians.”

THE TRUTH

Trump campaign had 80 known contacts and 23 meetings with Russian operatives.
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Which of those were illegal? The only thing they are really getting these guys for is faulty memories of exactly when things, legal things, happened.

That naturally, undoubtably, puts Trump in the Hitler with his death camps category.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I think what the Russians have on Trump goes beyond Hookers and Real Estate. Let's be honest, the Republicans in Congress nor his supporters(including the hypocritical Evangelicals) wouldn't care about either. It's already known he's had affairs with Hookers and Porn stars and the religious right don't give a damn.

In the 90's Trump had some serious money problems, and I think the Russians and the Russian Mafia bailed him out, then over the following years Trump did many 'favors' for them, including some 'favors' that might even make the Republicans and Religious Right uncomfortable.

Probably why he won't release his tax info too.
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Ok-- so Trump has some embarrassing events in his past. So does everyone.
Whats that got to do with Mueller?
 
HumblePi said:
There's just two simple things to remember if anyone still questions that Trump has been compromised by Russia for years.

There is already proof that he was working with Russia to get his Trump Moscow Hotel built and those negotiations were ongoing since 2013 and also involved the efforts of Don Jr. and Ivanka. The wheeling and dealing went on until after Trump won the Republican nomination, then it stopped, came to an abrupt halt. The Russians then began releasing stolen information that the GRU aka 'Guccifer 2.0' began releasing through Julian Assange as the conduit in an effort to destroy HRC and aid Trump in the upcoming election.

When asked in 2016 if he had any dealings with Putin or Russia, Trump denied it over and over again. Putin of course knew he was lying and Putin used this denial/lie by Trump as a bargaining chip. For example; Putin had the goods on Trump. Putin used Trump to strategically place people within his administration like Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort, Steve Bannon, etc. that would further the interests of Russia, like ignore the fact that Russia was supporting Al Assad in Syria or that their aggression in the Ukraine would increase. Ex: 'You should ignore the bad things we do Mr. President, or we will tell the world you've been helped by Russia to gain power and get elected and are nothing but our puppet.'

Proof #2 is the Trump Tower meeting. Michael Cohen claims that Trump knew about this meeting beforehand. Cohen claims he was in the room with Don Jr. when he called Trump about the meeting. (Robert Mueller has the logs and phone records) Russia sought to use this meeting in order to obtain further 'kompromat' on Trump. It was a covert meeting arranged through Rob Goldstone who was working for Russian oligarch, Aras Agalarov. News of this meeting at Trump Tower only became public because a month later, on July 8th, the New York Times first mentioned a June 2016 meeting with "a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin", arranged by Trump Jr. and including Kushner and Manafort.

If the NY Times hadn't received information about this meeting and it went totally unnoticed, it would have been one more way that the Russian compromised Trump and could hold that over his head as leverage to get what they wanted. The first thing on the Putin 'wish list' was the removal of the sanctions imposed upon Russian oligarchs by the Magnitsky Act.

Timeline is here: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/politics/trump-tower-meeting-timeline/index.html
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I fully question, have from the very beginning, the alleging of Trump being compromised by Russia.

Its totally fake is the main reason. Now, your [joke] proof #1 is completely reliant upon an unproven assumed as a "fact" [bolded red above] nowhere that can be seen even squinting, even looking towards the horizon in the far far distance [ that "fact" must have purchased a coach seat on the Trans Siberian Railroad going east from Muscovy towards Vladivostok... its so far away and that train doesn't come here to the States anyhow ].

Proof #2 unfortunately for you, more especially for the so Special Counsel, is totally reliant upon a known liar. A known liar who is being pressured in a way, as we know with Flynn, PapaD, Manafort and Corsi have been, to get him to lie to the court about whatever the 17 Muel teamers [ 3 more and they have Borax maybe?] want him to lie about.

Corsi, especially Corsi [to a lesser extent, even the scoundrel type, Manafort], is a hero for risking life in prison not to cave, not to lie, to compose for the 17 Muel team Boraxers. I have to admire the guy.

There was no Russian collusion, NO PROOFS of it in any event. Maybe you ought to change to Science Fiction, as this being rather badly written material. Yano?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
I fully question, have from the very beginning, the alleging of Trump being compromised by Russia.

Its totally fake is the main reason. Now, your [joke] proof #1 is completely reliant upon an unproven assumed as a "fact" [bolded red above] nowhere that can be seen even squinting, even looking towards the horizon in the far far distance [ that "fact" must have purchased a coach seat on the Trans Siberian Railroad going east from Muscovy towards Vladivostok... its so far away and that train doesn't come here to the States anyhow ].

Proof #2 unfortunately for you, more especially for the so Special Counsel, is totally reliant upon a known liar. A known liar who is being pressured in a way, as we know with Flynn, PapaD, Manafort and Corsi have been, to get him to lie to the court about whatever the 17 Muel teamers [ 3 more and they have Borax maybe?] want him to lie about.

Corsi, especially Corsi [to a lesser extent, even the scoundrel type, Manafort], is a hero for risking life in prison not to cave, not to lie, to compose for the 17 Muel team Boraxers. I have to admire the guy.

There was no Russian collusion, NO PROOFS of it in any event. Maybe you ought to change to Science Fiction, as this being rather badly written material. Yano?
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If you really believe that the 'special counsel' is basing their conclusions on one known liar, you better think again. You don't know Robert Mueller's reputation for fact checking and verifying not once or twice but several times by multiple statements under oath. Nevertheless, we shall all see very soon where the connections between Trump and Russia/Putin are irrefutable and conclusive.
 
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