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Trump Is Compromised by Russia

Trump has been doing business with Russia since 1987, that's not fake news either, it's easily fact checked with a google search. Here's a plain fact. The simplest way to launder money is through real estate, Trump has known this for many years. In addition to a Palm Beach mansion Trump bought for 40 million and sold to a Russian oligarch for 100 million, Trump owns Sunny Isles in Hollywood Beach, Florida that is complex comprised of luxury villas and condo units. This is where anyone can find wealthy Russian businessmen, lawyers, etc. who have paid (thanks to Putin) millions more than what the property is worth to Trump. Go there any day and you'll hear more Russian being spoken than English.

Again, it's a legal form of money laundering.

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More spin, speculation, innuendo and hyperbole.

What it all boils down to is...nothing.
 
Do you think Putin or Xi would do something so compromising in America, not to mention that world leaders travel with a large enterage including personal security. Can you imagine the fall out if Moscow even tried to arrange such a thing during an official visit? A “Honey Trap” for POTUS on a state visit, no less?

I get that you think that Trump would just because he is Trump, but from many quarters that is an opinion only the most idiotic people can hold.

Arrange what? Have dirt on Trump and have him do his bidding?

Keep in mind that Putin did interfere with our elections in favor of Trump and that right there is a smoking gun. In addition, letting someone know that you have dirt on them is easy and can be done in a thousand ways. Also keep in mind that this was arranged (if arranged) when Trump was not President and that even makes it easier. In fact, it could have easily been done when the Miss Universe Pageant was in Moscow.
 
Oh Jesus. This is getting a little old. You guys have been saying this for two years now. It's not a crime for an international businessman to do international business, just as it wasn't a crime for the Clinton Foundation to accept donations from every thug and thug country in the world.

"Just keep saying Clinton, comrade!"
 
I agree. Trump is not a true real estate developer like his father. His developments failed and nobody would lend him money anymore. He became a brand licenser. A man who sells an image.

It seems a natural law in inherited wealth: First generation earns, second generation administers, third generation squanders.
 
Trump is so compromised that he introduced energy policies that have destroyed the Russian economy.

Trump is so compromised that he stole both Germany and Poland form Russia as Natural Gas dependents. Because of Trump both now get all their NG form the US.

Trump is so compromised that by his order US troops killed Russian troops. As far as I can tell thats a first.

Trump is so compromised that he is rebuilding the missile defense shield in Poland that Obama took down.

Trump is so compromised that he is selling Ukraine weapons to fight the Russians with.

The Fact is Trump as President is the worst thing to ever happen to Putin. Planning to build in Moscow before becoming President doesn't change that.

Worst to happen to Putin... sure.



Worst to happen to Putin... except for Clinton as US President.

"Keep pushing The Big Lie, comrade. Amerikanskies really are that thick! They want to be told what to think!"
 
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Do you think Putin or Xi would do something so compromising in America, not to mention that world leaders travel with a large enterage including personal security. Can you imagine the fall out if Moscow even tried to arrange such a thing during an official visit? A “Honey Trap” for POTUS on a state visit, no less?

Have you been living under a rock?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ng-fears-prime-ministers-officials-will-be-s/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/25/businessmen-working-russia-china-told-avoid-honeytraps/
 
It seems you're confused about something. The allegation about sex with Russian prostitutes is something that happened before he ran for president. Trump's bodyguard admitted that Russians offered Trump prostitutes but claims Trump turned them down. That sounds as believable as Rosie O'Donnell turning down a box of free donuts. So, it's not that far fetched.

And Russians are known for recording people having sex in their hotels and later blackmail them.

But the dossier also suggested that the Russians may have financial leverage on Trump. That has proven to be true.

Trump was coerced to run for president. He was groomed by the Kremlin from that hotel visit in 2013 and on. Putin already had the means to rig the elections, all he needed was the right puppet. And a talentless American business man with a taste for Eastern hookers was perfect.
 
I think what the Russians have on Trump goes beyond Hookers and Real Estate. Let's be honest, the Republicans in Congress nor his supporters(including the hypocritical Evangelicals) wouldn't care about either. It's already known he's had affairs with Hookers and Porn stars and the religious right don't give a damn.

In the 90's Trump had some serious money problems, and I think the Russians and the Russian Mafia bailed him out, then over the following years Trump did many 'favors' for them, including some 'favors' that might even make the Republicans and Religious Right uncomfortable.

Probably why he won't release his tax info too.
 
They're going down. Machiavelli was an idiot.

While iI agree with the general sentiment of this thread, Machiavelli wasn’t the idiot, he smartly described how idiots in power behave. Sorry, it’s my handle so I figured I should white knight him. 😀
 
There's just two simple things to remember if anyone still questions that Trump has been compromised by Russia for years.

There is already proof that he was working with Russia to get his Trump Moscow Hotel built and those negotiations were ongoing since 2013 and also involved the efforts of Don Jr. and Ivanka. The wheeling and dealing went on until after Trump won the Republican nomination, then it stopped, came to an abrupt halt. The Russians then began releasing stolen information that the GRU aka 'Guccifer 2.0' began releasing through Julian Assange as the conduit in an effort to destroy HRC and aid Trump in the upcoming election.

When asked in 2016 if he had any dealings with Putin or Russia, Trump denied it over and over again. Putin of course knew he was lying and Putin used this denial/lie by Trump as a bargaining chip. For example; Putin had the goods on Trump. Putin used Trump to strategically place people within his administration like Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort, Steve Bannon, etc. that would further the interests of Russia, like ignore the fact that Russia was supporting Al Assad in Syria or that their aggression in the Ukraine would increase. Ex: 'You should ignore the bad things we do Mr. President, or we will tell the world you've been helped by Russia to gain power and get elected and are nothing but our puppet.'

Proof #2 is the Trump Tower meeting. Michael Cohen claims that Trump knew about this meeting beforehand. Cohen claims he was in the room with Don Jr. when he called Trump about the meeting. (Robert Mueller has the logs and phone records) Russia sought to use this meeting in order to obtain further 'kompromat' on Trump. It was a covert meeting arranged through Rob Goldstone who was working for Russian oligarch, Aras Agalarov. News of this meeting at Trump Tower only became public because a month later, on July 8th, the New York Times first mentioned a June 2016 meeting with "a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin", arranged by Trump Jr. and including Kushner and Manafort.

If the NY Times hadn't received information about this meeting and it went totally unnoticed, it would have been one more way that the Russian compromised Trump and could hold that over his head as leverage to get what they wanted. The first thing on the Putin 'wish list' was the removal of the sanctions imposed upon Russian oligarchs by the Magnitsky Act.

Timeline is here: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/politics/trump-tower-meeting-timeline/index.html
 
Which may very well have been a crime inandof itself as a violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Disallowing the bribing of foreign officials.

Was the offer made ??

If so, by whom ??
 
No, I mean what has Trump done with Russia as president that shows he is being influenced by his conflict of interest? What deals has he done with Russia you think is bad or biased?

He publicly stood united with Putin in Helsinki, against American interests and the entire American Intelligence community.

He changed the Republican party platform regarding Russia to a far more pro-Russia stance.
 
Was the offer made ??

If so, by whom ??

No, the offer was not made but just the consideration of it means a disregard for the laws of the U.S.

Here is a better explanation:

We learned a lot of new information Thursday about President Trump’s business dealings in Russia. The big news is that they persisted during the 2016 primaries and caucuses, which Michael Cohen lied about and Trump obscured.

But another story via BuzzFeed, could be the more legally problematic one for Trump. And it could theoretically pit him against a foreign anti-corruption law that he just so happens to have spent years criticizing.

Cohen’s Russian business associate, Felix Sater, told BuzzFeed News that he and Cohen plotted to give Russian President Vladimir Putin a supposed $50 million penthouse in Trump Tower Moscow to help lure oligarchs into the project:

Sater told BuzzFeed News today that he and Cohen thought giving the Trump Tower’s most luxurious apartment, a $50 million penthouse, to Putin would entice other wealthy buyers to purchase their own. “In Russia, the oligarchs would bend over backwards to live in the same building as Vladimir Putin,” Sater told BuzzFeed News. “My idea was to give a $50 million penthouse to Putin and charge $250 million more for the rest of the units. All the oligarchs would line up to live in the same building as Putin.” A second source confirmed the plan.


This provides more evidence that the project was being rather seriously pursued with potential assistance from the Russian government, despite Trump’s presidential candidacy and despite Trump’s regular assurances that he didn’t deal with Russia. But some have argued it could also violate a 1977 law called the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which makes it a federal crime for U.S. citizens and businesses (among others) to bribe foreign officials.

Trump has often derided the law. He told CNBC in 2012, “It’s a horrible law, and it should be changed.” He added: “For this country to prosecute because something took place in India is outrageous."

Trump’s disdain for the law persisted after he became president. In February 2017, according to the New Yorker, he derided it to then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson:

In February, a few weeks after Tillerson was confirmed by the Senate, he visited the Oval Office to introduce the president to a potential deputy, but Trump had something else on his mind. He began fulminating about federal laws that prohibit American businesses from bribing officials overseas; the businesses, he said, were being unfairly penalized.

“Tillerson told Trump that America didn’t need to pay bribes — that we could bring the world up to our own standards,” a source with knowledge of the exchange told me.

Here is a link to the article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/30/is-floating-million-trump-tower-penthouse-vladimir-putin-illegal/?u
 
No, the offer was not made but just the consideration of it means a disregard for the laws of the U.S.

Here is a better explanation:

We learned a lot of new information Thursday about President Trump’s business dealings in Russia. The big news is that they persisted during the 2016 primaries and caucuses, which Michael Cohen lied about and Trump obscured.

But another story via BuzzFeed, could be the more legally problematic one for Trump. And it could theoretically pit him against a foreign anti-corruption law that he just so happens to have spent years criticizing.

Cohen’s Russian business associate, Felix Sater, told BuzzFeed News that he and Cohen plotted to give Russian President Vladimir Putin a supposed $50 million penthouse in Trump Tower Moscow to help lure oligarchs into the project:

Sater told BuzzFeed News today that he and Cohen thought giving the Trump Tower’s most luxurious apartment, a $50 million penthouse, to Putin would entice other wealthy buyers to purchase their own. “In Russia, the oligarchs would bend over backwards to live in the same building as Vladimir Putin,” Sater told BuzzFeed News. “My idea was to give a $50 million penthouse to Putin and charge $250 million more for the rest of the units. All the oligarchs would line up to live in the same building as Putin.” A second source confirmed the plan.


This provides more evidence that the project was being rather seriously pursued with potential assistance from the Russian government, despite Trump’s presidential candidacy and despite Trump’s regular assurances that he didn’t deal with Russia. But some have argued it could also violate a 1977 law called the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which makes it a federal crime for U.S. citizens and businesses (among others) to bribe foreign officials.

Trump has often derided the law. He told CNBC in 2012, “It’s a horrible law, and it should be changed.” He added: “For this country to prosecute because something took place in India is outrageous."

Trump’s disdain for the law persisted after he became president. In February 2017, according to the New Yorker, he derided it to then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson:

In February, a few weeks after Tillerson was confirmed by the Senate, he visited the Oval Office to introduce the president to a potential deputy, but Trump had something else on his mind. He began fulminating about federal laws that prohibit American businesses from bribing officials overseas; the businesses, he said, were being unfairly penalized.

“Tillerson told Trump that America didn’t need to pay bribes — that we could bring the world up to our own standards,” a source with knowledge of the exchange told me.

Here is a link to the article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/30/is-floating-million-trump-tower-penthouse-vladimir-putin-illegal/?u

Yet Felix Sater, who used to work with the Trump Organization and played an important role in the Trump Tower Moscow project, said the penthouse idea was nothing more than “spitball marketing conversation.”

“[The conversation] lasted all of two minutes on the subject,” Sater told TheDCNF via text message.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/30/felix-sater-putin-penthouse-marketing/

The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act is irrelevant concerning this.
 
Yet Felix Sater, who used to work with the Trump Organization and played an important role in the Trump Tower Moscow project, said the penthouse idea was nothing more than “spitball marketing conversation.”

“[The conversation] lasted all of two minutes on the subject,” Sater told TheDCNF via text message.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/30/felix-sater-putin-penthouse-marketing/

The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act is irrelevant concerning this.

That may well be true but then again we have a President that disdains our laws and works to twist them to his advantage. You can't get away from the fact that he said this: “It’s a horrible law, and it should be changed.” He added: “For this country to prosecute because something took place in India is outrageous."

Whether he was planning to actually give the penthouse to Putin or not, the reality is that he believes in bribes and that means he also believes in bribes for himself.
 
That may well be true but then again we have a President that disdains our laws and works to twist them to his advantage. You can't get away from the fact that he said this: “It’s a horrible law, and it should be changed.” He added: “For this country to prosecute because something took place in India is outrageous."

Whether he was planning to actually give the penthouse to Putin or not, the reality is that he believes in bribes and that means he also believes in bribes for himself.

Fine, you stretch whatever you need to, to fit whatever preconceived narrative that helps you sleep at night.

There's no substantiation a bribe was offered.

There's no substantiation by whom this supposed bribe was offered.

Hell we don't even know if Trump knew about the offer.
 
Fine, you stretch whatever you need to, to fit whatever preconceived narrative that helps you sleep at night.

There's no substantiation a bribe was offered.

There's no substantiation by whom this supposed bribe was offered.

Hell we don't even know if Trump knew about the offer.

And the Sun goes around the Earth.
 
Fine, you stretch whatever you need to, to fit whatever preconceived narrative that helps you sleep at night.

There's no substantiation a bribe was offered.

There's no substantiation by whom this supposed bribe was offered.

Hell we don't even know if Trump knew about the offer.

It is looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

You guys give him the benefit of the doubt each and every time but after each and every time reaches numbers into the thousands of occasions, perhaps you should stop giving him the benefit of the doubt and start asking him to prove his actions were proper.
 
It is looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

You guys give him the benefit of the doubt each and every time but after each and every time reaches numbers into the thousands of occasions, perhaps you should stop giving him the benefit of the doubt and start asking him to prove his actions were proper.

"you guys", it always amuses me when posters paint with that broad brush. I'm arguing the know facts, I'm not assuming things that aren't known.
 
and by the way, there is substantiation that he believes bribes can be offered. So one would suppose that if he believes that is the right thing to do, he would have done it in this case.

and by the way again, do you think that in New York city where Trump has built so many buildings that the Mafia did not get a cut out of Trump for him to be able to build them? The construction industry is full of bribes. It is a known fact.
 
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