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Trump: I could declassify documents by thinking about it

Show me where the exemption is.
(Link to archived image of the article in your post, https://archive.ph/7bvrH )
"...This peculiar power is so great that the government has an office that exists solely to manage it: the Information Security Oversight Office, which has a strong claim to being the coolest government office you’ve never heard of. (The longest-serving director of this office, Steven Garfinkel, told me that for two decades he had access to pretty much every secret in the executive branch. “If there was a version of the game show Jeopardy entirely about the federal government,” he deadpanned to me once, “I would be in the Tournament of Champions every single year.” Garfinkel retired to teach high school in 2002 and died in 2018.)
His successor, J. William Leonard, led the office under George W. Bush, and he confirmed the lack of general limitation of his boss’s power. While a president is president, Leonard told me, “the rules and procedures governing the classification and declassification of information apply to everyone else.” And that means Trump could have declassified whatever he wished (again, with specific limitations soon to be discussed) before carting it off to Mar-a-Lago. He would not have had to file paperwork—just “utter the magic words,” Leonard told me. He could have waved his hand over the U-Haul trailer as it headed out the White House driveway and down I-95 toward Florida, and there would have been no classified material in there to mishandle.
Leonard noted important caveats, however. First, Trump’s power to declassify ended with his presidency. Second, that U-Haul could be reclassified by someone else. (Depending on traffic and the sharpness of the Biden administration, I would imagine it could have been reclassified somewhere around Fredericksburg, Virginia.) And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies.
David Frum: Stuck with Trump
Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight. In the unlikely event that Trump came up with a new way to enrich uranium, and scribbled it on a cocktail napkin poolside at Mar-a-Lago early this year, that napkin would instantly have become a classified document subject to various controls and procedures, and possibly illegal for the former president to possess. Of course if he did so, no prosecutor would pursue him. A certain amount of leeway is crucial to the system.
If Trump was keeping nuclear secrets in the storeroom of his country club, without even the benefit of a padlock, and resisted attempts to secure those secrets against infiltrators and spies, a prosecutor might reasonably take more interest. After all, he’s the ex-president, not the pope."

The reaction the last time your identical point was posted...

If Bill Leonard says it, that settles it. Why go through all this legal stuff?

Bill Leonard!! Why didn't you tell us all about this revelation much soonert?

Dipshits saying shit in twitter means nothing. see #1633
I will take case law over the opinion of a retired Swamp Bureaucrat (dipshit) any day
 
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Okay, when someone is posting an actual statement from NARA and you are coming out lying about it, you prove that you are not interested in debating anything. You are just trolling openly now.

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Look, pamak, I read the piece from the National Archives. I find it interesting that they run cover for the Democrats. Here Bill Clinton had tapes AFTER he left the office and it was OK with them. What you have to do when you have a government document or any other legal type document such as that is to read between the lines. Firstly, Obama has NOT reviewed the presidential documents and we are 6 years after he's gone. The records are not at any NA facilities. They are very conveniently at Obama's presidential library. Do you see anything in the flowery letter that says what they mean by "controlled" or what they mean by "archival standards"? This sort of language is used to obfuscate and confuse. The document doesn't give any dates, does it? It talks about the present. How long did it take for the documents to be moved from that furniture warehouse? (Note that the NA merely uses language that they are located in "Hoffman Estates" and this is intentional to make the reader think that this is some high fa looting area that must be gated and secure. After all, it is Hoffman ESTATES!)


That is the conclusion being made following a letter from the Obama Foundation to the National Archive and Records Administration that has recently come to light. According to the letter, at least up until 2018, the Obama-era documents -- all of them -- were being stored in the warehouse at Hoffman Estates. The letter clearly states that classified papers were included alongside the unclassified files.

It is now also being reported by the Daily Herald that the Obama Foundation has extended its lease of the warehouse through 2026.

So for at least a year beyond his presidency, Barack Obama, through his foundation, held classified records, with the possibility that such material is still in storage. And, he may be doing so with the full knowledge of the National Archives.


Could you call the NA and ask them how often Obama or his henchmen go there to (ahem) digitize things and if they accompany him, or if this WAREHOUSE has security cameras that show if he enters the classified area, or if they even care? Thanks. BTW, the letter says his digitizing would be done by August of 2021 and it still isn't. Have they sent the FBI to raid the warehouse?
 
Count how many shits I don't give about what that ignorant moron Trump said. There are processes, protocols and paper-trails attached to the declassification process enshrined in law; never mind the storage and handling of very sensitive materials. Trump ignored them all for reasons best known to himself.
So, you are just going to ignore the facts.
 
Three posters turned the thread into a MAGA rally, a presentation of serial projection and associated disinfo.

National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) Fact ...

https://www.archives.gov › press › factsheet
May 2, 2022 — "The records of the nation's civil, military, and diplomatic activities are ... temporary site in Hoffman Estates, Illinois (The Barack Obama ..."

The Hill

Presidential historian: Way Trump obtained, kept classified material is unprecedented​

Zach Schonfeld August 14, 2022
“...President Trump is absolutely right,” Beschloss said on NBC when asked about Trump’s claim.

“Barack Obama has tens of millions of documents, and they are in a National Archives installation, Hoffman Estates, Ill., under armed guard with heavy surveillance, using the procedures that are supposed to be used for a former president,” he added.

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has also debunked Trump’s claim, saying it maintains classified Obama records in a government facility in the Washington, D.C., area.

“As required by the [Presidential Records Act], former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration,” the agency said in a statement.

Beschloss on NBC also detailed how presidents before Obama handled their records, referencing former President Eisenhower’s documents being kept on a military base as one example.

“This is not something that we have seen before,” Beschloss said. “Don’t think this is normal procedure.”

January 4, 2017
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Gee, some historian say the way Trump kept classified documents is unprecedented.

That settles it then.
 
I'm not a fan of Professor Tribe, but at least he's a real lawyer.
As I posted, it doesn't matter if Fitton is a carpenter, does it? The piece was about what the court ruled on a case he brought forward, amirite?
 
Says who?
Look, we know you're not from around here. A president here is not a dictator or a king. One president cannot just change the constitution through executive order. Biden THINKS he can and his puppeteers need to be slapped down bigly and they WILL be on11-9-22
 
Look, we know you're not from around here. A president here is not a dictator or a king. One president cannot just change the constitution through executive order. Biden THINKS he can and his puppeteers need to be slapped down bigly and they WILL be on11-9-22
When did Biden try that (outside of your imagination)? Try to keep to the subject, there's a good chap.
 
I provided a link, in this and other threads on the subject. You're a big boy, open the link (unless you're scared), you don't need anyone holding your hand. Pay more attention so I don't have to keep educating you.
LOL. Too afraid to include an excerpt because it would expose that you didn't read your own link?

I have found with other posters that this is often the case. They scour the most liberal sites and blog articles they can and see a headline such as "Trump lied about his height..." and post it and when you read the article it says he claimed to be 6'4" and he is "only" 6'3 and a half.
 
(Link to archived image of the article in your post, https://archive.ph/7bvrH )
"...This peculiar power is so great that the government has an office that exists solely to manage it: the Information Security Oversight Office, which has a strong claim to being the coolest government office you’ve never heard of. (The longest-serving director of this office, Steven Garfinkel, told me that for two decades he had access to pretty much every secret in the executive branch. “If there was a version of the game show Jeopardy entirely about the federal government,” he deadpanned to me once, “I would be in the Tournament of Champions every single year.” Garfinkel retired to teach high school in 2002 and died in 2018.)
His successor, J. William Leonard, led the office under George W. Bush, and he confirmed the lack of general limitation of his boss’s power. While a president is president, Leonard told me, “the rules and procedures governing the classification and declassification of information apply to everyone else.” And that means Trump could have declassified whatever he wished (again, with specific limitations soon to be discussed) before carting it off to Mar-a-Lago. He would not have had to file paperwork—just “utter the magic words,” Leonard told me. He could have waved his hand over the U-Haul trailer as it headed out the White House driveway and down I-95 toward Florida, and there would have been no classified material in there to mishandle.
Leonard noted important caveats, however. First, Trump’s power to declassify ended with his presidency. Second, that U-Haul could be reclassified by someone else. (Depending on traffic and the sharpness of the Biden administration, I would imagine it could have been reclassified somewhere around Fredericksburg, Virginia.) And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies.
David Frum: Stuck with Trump
Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight. In the unlikely event that Trump came up with a new way to enrich uranium, and scribbled it on a cocktail napkin poolside at Mar-a-Lago early this year, that napkin would instantly have become a classified document subject to various controls and procedures, and possibly illegal for the former president to possess. Of course if he did so, no prosecutor would pursue him. A certain amount of leeway is crucial to the system.
If Trump was keeping nuclear secrets in the storeroom of his country club, without even the benefit of a padlock, and resisted attempts to secure those secrets against infiltrators and spies, a prosecutor might reasonably take more interest. After all, he’s the ex-president, not the pope."

The reaction the last time your identical point was posted...
Thanks for the tip. Can you show me in the warrant or anywhere other than a WaPo article where they found any classified nuclear secrets? Thanks.
 
When did Biden try that (outside of your imagination)? Try to keep to the subject, there's a good chap.
His forgiveness of student loans. his mandate that everyone be vaccinated and to fire brave first responders who aren't. There are many many more.
 
I have access to all US laws and statutes. So do you; the medium is called the 'internet'. I'm sure you are familiar with it.
I KNEW you were an expert on the constitution as it relates to the powers of a president.
 
Look, pamak, I read the piece from the National Archives. I find it interesting that they run cover for the Democrats. Here Bill Clinton had tapes AFTER he left the office and it was OK with them. What you have to do when you have a government document or any other legal type document such as that is to read between the lines. Firstly, Obama has NOT reviewed the presidential documents and we are 6 years after he's gone. The records are not at any NA facilities. They are very conveniently at Obama's presidential library. Do you see anything in the flowery letter that says what they mean by "controlled" or what they mean by "archival standards"? This sort of language is used to obfuscate and confuse. The document doesn't give any dates, does it? It talks about the present. How long did it take for the documents to be moved from that furniture warehouse? (Note that the NA merely uses language that they are located in "Hoffman Estates" and this is intentional to make the reader think that this is some high fa looting area that must be gated and secure. After all, it is Hoffman ESTATES!)


That is the conclusion being made following a letter from the Obama Foundation to the National Archive and Records Administration that has recently come to light. According to the letter, at least up until 2018, the Obama-era documents -- all of them -- were being stored in the warehouse at Hoffman Estates. The letter clearly states that classified papers were included alongside the unclassified files.

It is now also being reported by the Daily Herald that the Obama Foundation has extended its lease of the warehouse through 2026.

So for at least a year beyond his presidency, Barack Obama, through his foundation, held classified records, with the possibility that such material is still in storage. And, he may be doing so with the full knowledge of the National Archives.


Could you call the NA and ask them how often Obama or his henchmen go there to (ahem) digitize things and if they accompany him, or if this WAREHOUSE has security cameras that show if he enters the classified area, or if they even care? Thanks. BTW, the letter says his digitizing would be done by August of 2021 and it still isn't. Have they sent the FBI to raid the warehouse?

Again, nothing in what you say refutes the simple point I make.

First NARA is a big organization and your veiled implication that there is some type of conspiracy to help the Democrats is dismissed out of hand. We would have multiple whistleblowers to come out and point that NARA is lying in order to cover Obama if that was the case.

Second, as I pointed out multiple times, the case you point examines the claim of a former president against an ordinary citizen who wants to obtain certain material.
Today the fundamental difference is that if Trump's case goes to courts there will be a claim of a former president against a claim of a sitting president and there is clear evidence of a crime committed after the FBI found documents with clear classification markings in Trump's House. If one wants to talk about presidential discretions, then today the party which gains such benefit is the one of the sitting president.

Obama's letter did not state that classified papers were included alongside unclassified ones. Only f**ing idiots in truth-social make such claims and come to such absurd conclusions! Obama's letter was referring to classified and unclassified documents stored in a nearly 74,000 square feet of space (see link below)


That space had a dedicated secured compartment for the classified documents based on NARA's statement which you just read.

By contrast, Trump had classified and unclassified documents stored in the same STORAGE BOX!

It is insane to compare NARA's storage practices with respect to Obama's classified documents to Trump's practices!
 
I KNEW you were an expert on the constitution as it relates to the powers of a president.
Furthermore, during a State of Emergency (as declared by Trump during the Covid pandemic)), and which is still in force under Biden, a POTUS can employ executive powers without the approval of Congress, which in normal circumstances he cannot do.
 
How are any of those unconstitutional?
Only Congress can spend money like that.


"The president does not have the authority to put himself in the place of Congress," Rutledge said in the interview. "These actions must be taken by Congress and he can't override that."

And here I thought you were an expert on the American constitution!!!


PS. Note that I am courteous and a good debater since I include the salient excerpt so the readers here who value their time don't have to waste 15 minutes reading the whole article. I understand Europeans HATE our constitution and are used to giveaways but still......................
 
Again, nothing in what you say refutes the simple point I make.

First NARA is a big organization and your veiled implication that there is some type of conspiracy to help the Democrats is dismissed out of hand. We would have multiple whistleblowers to come out and point that NARA is lying in order to cover Obama if that was the case.

Second, as I pointed out multiple times, the case you point examines the claim of a former president against an ordinary citizen who wants to obtain certain material.
Today the fundamental difference is that if Trump's case goes to courts there will be a claim of a former president against a claim of a sitting president and there is clear evidence of a crime committed after the FBI found documents with clear classification markings in Trump's House. If one wants to talk about presidential discretions, then today the party which gains such benefit is the one of the sitting president.

Obama's letter did not state that classified papers were included alongside unclassified ones. Only f**ing idiots in truth-social make such claims and come to such absurd conclusions! Obama's letter was referring to classified and unclassified documents stored in a nearly 74,000 square feet of space (see link below)


That space had a dedicated secured compartment for the classified documents based on NARA's statement which you just read.

By contrast, Trump had classified and unclassified documents stored in the same STORAGE BOX!

It is insane to compare NARA's storage practices with respect to Obama's classified documents to Trump's practices!
A warehouse compared to a double-locked storage room at Mara Lago? Seriously?
 
By the way, Mar-a-Lago seems to have LESS square footage. Its 128 rooms have about 62,000 square feet


So, if the "a-ha" moment is that NARA stored both classified and unclassified documents in Hoffman Estate which is BIGGER than Mar-a-Lago, this is stupid!
Such space can easily have a dedicated secured compartment for classified documents!
 
Only Congress can spend money like that.


"The president does not have the authority to put himself in the place of Congress," Rutledge said in the interview. "These actions must be taken by Congress and he can't override that."

And here I thought you were an expert on the American constitution!!!


PS. Note that I am courteous and a good debater since I include the salient excerpt so the readers here who value their time don't have to waste 15 minutes reading the whole article. I understand Europeans HATE our constitution and are used to giveaways but still......................
Wrong. There is still a State of Emergency in place for Covid. A POTUS has substantial powers during this period for which he does not need Congressional approval.
Oh, and by the way, your Constitution is derived from, and incorporates many aspects of, the British Constitution and Bill of Rights which predate yours by at least a century. They further expand on the Magna Carta of 1215, which was designed to limit the power of the monarch, and established the concept of habeas corpus, later enacted into English Law in 1679.
So much for hating my own constitution. Try harder.

PS Did you return Trump's giveaway stimulus handout?
 
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A warehouse compared to a double-locked storage room at Mara Lago? Seriously?

A place BIGGER than Mar-a-Lago compared to storing classified and unclassified documents in the same storage box which was what triggered red flags in NARA when they received and examined some of these boxes that Trump gave to them after long negotiations! (see my previous post #1721)

Also, a secured compartment is not created by simply installing a lock. Not to mention that some of the documents were in Trump's office.
 
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Obama was supposed to be done digitizing his records no later than August of 2021, which is 4 YEARS after he left office, He is still not done. Since he is having OTHER people do that and we don't even know who they are, nor do we know if they have access to the classified documents (Sandy Berger during the Clinton years did and he stuffed some down his shorts which is theft and all he got was a fine). The letter from the fawning NA says nothing about how often people go to this furniture warehouse, who they are, if it has cameras all over the place, if they can get into the classified area.

But that aside, what were they worried about with Trump? He had them for a year and a half and didn't do anything with them, Like Obama, he is a busy man. They had an agreement and the FBI decided to violate the agreement and raid him. This was just spite and another "Get Trump" operation to stop him from running in 2024 and also to damage conservatives as a whole by an out-of-control FBI and DOJ. The same agency that just raided the home of an abortion foe who lightly shoved a baby killer advocate a YEAR ago with machine guns drawn and 21 agents, done as a message to anyone who dares oppose their agenda.
 
Furthermore, during a State of Emergency (as declared by Trump during the Covid pandemic)), and which is still in force under Biden, a POTUS can employ executive powers without the approval of Congress, which in normal circumstances he cannot do.
Covid is over, Biden himself said so.
 
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