Trump has dealt seniors 2 devastating blows

[Drawdown]

Thanks for proving my point.

That you were wrong about nothing being done by hand. Yep. Well proven. "Initial rollout" isn't completed yet :lol:

 

[Terryj]

I think the media is a little misleading on this issue. Trump said he would cut the income payroll tax, which is different than the FICA and Medicare tax. The payroll tax works on a sliding scale depending on your tax bracket, the FICA and the Medicare tax are set at a fixed rate, 6.2% for FICA and 1.45% for Medicare, I don't think these taxes will be cut.

 

[it's just me]

Anything to avoid Trumps own admission that he is intentionally crippling the USPS so Americans won't be able to use the safe mail-in voting method.

Let them get absentee ballots.

 

[Omniscient]

 

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Because since the 70's they are required by law to be self-funding just as the Social Security System is required to be self-funding.

So do they have make a profit or not? Clearly the SS example is a joke.

 

[Drawdown]

So do they have make a profit or not? Clearly the SS example is a joke.

They have to be self-funding, not government funded. Their operating "profits" get rolled into their underfunded retirement plans (based on a ridiculous congressional mandate of what that needs to be funded at)

 

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They have to be self-funding, not government funded. Their operating "profits" get rolled into their underfunded retirement plans (based on a ridiculous congressional mandate of what that needs to be funded at)

There is no need for the post office to be self funded, just like there is no need for the Navy to be self funded. What is public service for $200 please. The whole concept is a needless **** storm.

 

[Drawdown]

There is no need for the post office to be self funded, just like there is no need for the Navy to be self funded. What is public service for $200 please. The whole concept is a needless **** storm.

Whether it needs to be does not change that it is required to be.

 

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Whether it needs to be does not change that it is required to be.

That is a very simple change to make. It is only a hard fast rule for those who want it to be, the same as all the other things set in place to destroy the post office.

 

[MTAtech]

Most conservatives are pining for a past that never was; they'd eagerly scrap Social Security, the minimum wage, and most govermnet programs. They either idealize what they remember of it, or long for an idealized past they never knew. IDK if we ever get past such shortsighted selfish thinking; as long as there's a Fox news, corporate interests will always be pushed by a large group of people, against their own interests.

Don't confuse YOUR viewpoint with those of other people. Social Security, Medicare, etc. are all very popular.

Apart from seniors living in the past, libertarians are living in the past, thinking back to the days before Social Security, when seniors mostly died in poverty and the days before Medicare, when no insurance company would insure seniors, as the good'ol days.

My side of American politics considers social net programs morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. Your side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how beneficital, amounts to theft.

"Gallup research shows that older Americans are extraordinarily dependent on Social Security. Some 57% of retirees indicated in our April survey this year that Social Security is a "major" source of income in their retirement, eclipsing by far the second and third sources -- retirement accounts such as 401(k)s and IRAs, and work-sponsored pension plans."

In a CBS News Poll. Jan. 17-21, 2014. (N=1,018 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.) People were asked:

"Overall, do you think the benefits from Social Security are worth the cost of the program for taxpayers, or are they not worth the cost?" 73% said yes.

Similarly, not only is Medicare popular but 69 percent of voters support Medicare for All | TheHill

 

[PNW Guy]

Don't confuse YOUR viewpoint with those of other people. Social Security, Medicare, etc. are all very popular.

Apart from seniors living in the past, libertarians are living in the past, thinking back to the days before Social Security, when seniors mostly died in poverty and the days before Medicare, when no insurance company would insure seniors, as the good'ol days.

My side of American politics considers social net programs morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. Your side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how beneficital, amounts to theft.

"Gallup research shows that older Americans are extraordinarily dependent on Social Security. Some 57% of retirees indicated in our April survey this year that Social Security is a "major" source of income in their retirement, eclipsing by far the second and third sources -- retirement accounts such as 401(k)s and IRAs, and work-sponsored pension plans."

In a CBS News Poll. Jan. 17-21, 2014. (N=1,018 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.) People were asked:

"Overall, do you think the benefits from Social Security are worth the cost of the program for taxpayers, or are they not worth the cost?" 73% said yes.

Similarly, not only is Medicare popular but 69 percent of voters support Medicare for All | TheHill

IDK where the hell you get the idea I'm a conservative? Reading comprehension issues?

 

[MTAtech]

IDK where the hell you get the idea I'm a conservative? Reading comprehension issues?

Hey, I saw libertarian and made assumptions. I misread the first 10 words in your post. Sorry for defaming you as a conservative.

 

[Drawdown]

That is a very simple change to make. It is only a hard fast rule for those who want it to be, the same as all the other things set in place to destroy the post office.

The post office is the one who wanted it to be.

 

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The post office is the one who wanted it to be.

Don't care. Laws can and should be changed when they don't work for society. Making the post office be profitable is simply a right wing wet dream at this point. Let's be honest about those services that are in the public good.

 

[Greenbeard]

Trump has dealt seniors, who represent 23% of registered voters, 2 devastating blows in a matter of days

Senior citizens should think long and hard about voting for Donald Trump....

• Trump fumbled and then abandoned the government fight against the COVID pandemic which is especially fatal to the elderly.

•Trump will block funds for election mail-in voting which is the safest way to vote in a pandemic environment.

•Trump issued and order to stop collecting the payroll taxes until the end of the 2020 calendar year which fund Social Security and Medicare.

• If he wins re-election, Trump promised to make the payroll taxes order permanent, killing Social Security and Medicare for retirees and seniors.

Related: Dems say Trump's payroll tax break weakens Social Security

Trump’s been coming up with new ways to kill old people all year.