• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump From the Oval Office 23JAN19

Rexedgar

Yo-Semite!
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Apr 6, 2017
Messages
52,796
Reaction score
40,008
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Trump is in MAGA rally mode.........
 

MovingPictures

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2017
Messages
12,748
Reaction score
10,333
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Dear media.

We, the 60% majority who are tired of the president, do not give a **** about this.
 

Lutherf

Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
46,431
Reaction score
52,284
Location
Tucson, AZ
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
This might be a more exciting thread if I had half a clue as to what it was about.
 

Hari Seldon

Stable Genius
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 20, 2014
Messages
11,997
Reaction score
9,870
Location
New York
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
This might be a more exciting thread if I had half a clue as to what it was about.
Trump sending a letter to pelosi about doing the State of the Union from the House and she replying it won't be in the House unless the Government is open.

Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk
 

Josie

No Day But Today
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 25, 2010
Messages
51,943
Reaction score
27,092
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
I heard Trump is about to offer to give Dreamers green cards for the wall...
 

Lutherf

Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
46,431
Reaction score
52,284
Location
Tucson, AZ
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative

Josie

No Day But Today
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 25, 2010
Messages
51,943
Reaction score
27,092
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
At this point Trump could offer them immediate citizenship, voter ID cards valid in all "purple" states and a free date with Stormy Daniels and Pelosi would still shoot it down if it involved anything for a wall.

I think I agree with you. The wall would give him the victory that he's been promising since he announced his candidacy (although not being paid of by Mexico -- did anyone really believe that?). The Democrats will do everything in their power to not let him have that victory.
 

jimbo

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 30, 2011
Messages
19,078
Reaction score
6,751
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Trump sending a letter to pelosi about doing the State of the Union from the House and she replying it won't be in the House unless the Government is open.

Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

That's what the left is excited about?

Government won't be open.

SOTU will get delivered.
 

lwf

DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 15, 2018
Messages
18,148
Reaction score
12,149
Location
PNW
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent

MovingPictures

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2017
Messages
12,748
Reaction score
10,333
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
At this point Trump could offer them immediate citizenship, voter ID cards valid in all "purple" states and a free date with Stormy Daniels and Pelosi would still shoot it down if it involved anything for a wall.
So, should the next Democrat president and senate majority refuse to fund the government, until their desired gun control laws are passed? Do you think Republicans ought to negotiate with that?

Alright, what if in that situation the Democrats offer all the tax cuts Republicans want in exchange for passing their gun control laws, to open the government back up that the Dems shut down in the first place?

That's exactly what you guys have done, only with immigration.
 

Mr Person

A Little Bitter
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Oct 14, 2015
Messages
60,119
Reaction score
51,651
Location
Massachusetts
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
At this point Trump could offer them immediate citizenship, voter ID cards valid in all "purple" states and a free date with Stormy Daniels and Pelosi would still shoot it down if it involved anything for a wall.

So, should the next Democrat president and senate majority refuse to fund the government, until their desired gun control laws are passed? Do you think Republicans ought to negotiate with that?

Alright, what if in that situation the Democrats offer all the tax cuts Republicans want in exchange for passing their gun control laws, to open the government back up that the Dems shut down in the first place?

That's exactly what you guys have done, only with immigration.

He isn't analyzing this. They also know perfectly well what Trump did. It's just the usual liberals bad perptrators, conservatives good martyrs routine.

Of course the Dems would take straight-up citizenship. They previously offered Trump legislated DACA for the entire wall. There's no reason to think that if he offered immediate citizenship, the Dems would turn it down. They're not that stupid.
 

MovingPictures

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2017
Messages
12,748
Reaction score
10,333
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
I think I agree with you. The wall would give him the victory that he's been promising since he announced his candidacy (although not being paid of by Mexico -- did anyone really believe that?). The Democrats will do everything in their power to not let him have that victory.
Yeah, lots of people on the right did believe that.

He shouldn't have kept making a promise he knew he couldn't keep.

This "they don't want him to win!" stuff was even more true under Obama, than it is right now against Trump. Republicans opposed everything Obama sought to fix, because McConnell's objective was to "make Obama a one term president", so please cry me a river that Democrats remember those times.

Further, the Democrats probably would have given him some kind of barrier (they cave on everything), if he had merely done it in a proper context, instead of doing what Republicans always do, and take human hostages to get he wanted.

Imagine if the next Democrat president holds the government hostage indefinitely to extort Republicans on policy you don't support.
 

Middle_Ground

DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
2,541
Reaction score
1,216
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
At this point Trump could offer them immediate citizenship, voter ID cards valid in all "purple" states and a free date with Stormy Daniels and Pelosi would still shoot it down if it involved anything for a wall.

She would accept that deal if the government is open....while it's not there will be no negotiating or speeches.
I don't know what's so hard to understand.
 

Lutherf

Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
46,431
Reaction score
52,284
Location
Tucson, AZ
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
So, should the next Democrat president and senate majority refuse to fund the government, until their desired gun control laws are passed? Do you think Republicans ought to negotiate with that?

Alright, what if in that situation the Democrats offer all the tax cuts Republicans want in exchange for passing their gun control laws, to open the government back up that the Dems shut down in the first place?

That's exactly what you guys have done, only with immigration.

Well, if the next Democrat president chooses to shut the government down until they get their way nullifying the 2nd Amendment I figure most of us gun people will be fine with that. They could simply do away with the federal government if that's what they want to try, as far as I'm concerned.
 

Josie

No Day But Today
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 25, 2010
Messages
51,943
Reaction score
27,092
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Yeah, lots of people on the right did believe that.

He shouldn't have kept making a promise he knew he couldn't keep.

This "they don't want him to win!" stuff was even more true under Obama, than it is right now against Trump. Republicans opposed everything Obama sought to fix, because McConnell's objective was to "make Obama a one term president", so please cry me a river that Democrats remember those times.

Further, the Democrats probably would have given him some kind of barrier (they cave on everything), if he had merely done it in a proper context, instead of doing what Republicans always do, and take human hostages to get he wanted.

Imagine if the next Democrat president holds the government hostage indefinitely to extort Republicans on policy you don't support.

Um... I don't support spending billions of dollars on a wall. I'm simply commenting on the obvious politics of it all. No one really cares about the people they're talking about -- they just want their way.
 

MovingPictures

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2017
Messages
12,748
Reaction score
10,333
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Well, if the next Democrat president chooses to shut the government down until they get their way nullifying the 2nd Amendment I figure most of us gun people will be fine with that. They could simply do away with the federal government if that's what they want to try, as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, lets flush civilization down the drain, because freedom! gomer.gif
 

MovingPictures

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 27, 2017
Messages
12,748
Reaction score
10,333
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Most genocides throughout human history have been caused by government. Government has a pretty bad track record.
Please, for the love of god, find somebody else to bother.
 

apdst

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2009
Messages
133,631
Reaction score
30,937
Location
Bagdad, La.
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Very Conservative
She would accept that deal if the government is open....while it's not there will be no negotiating or speeches.
I don't know what's so hard to understand.

If she won't accept it yo open the government, she sure as hell won't accept it after the government has been reopened.
 
Top Bottom