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Trump Disgracefully Politicizes NYC Terror Attack

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The bodies aren't even cold yet and Trump is politicizing this. What a disgraceful leader he is.

President Trump is using the tragic terror attack in Manhattan as fodder for his immigration reform — blaming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for allowing the assault that killed eight people to happen.

The President tweeted Wednesday that attacker Sayfullo Saipov entered the U.S. in 2010 through the State Department’s Diversity Visa Lottery system.

“The terrorist came into our country through what is called the "Diversity Visa Lottery Program," a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based,” Trump tweeted shortly after 7 a.m.

Trump seemed to confirm reports that the ISIS-inspired attacker came to the U.S. from Uzbekistan through the 22-year-old program.

Schumer later fired back about the nature of Trump’s social media post.

“I guess it's not too soon to politicize a tragedy,” the Democrat tweeted at about 8:30 a.m. without making a direct reference to the tweet.

Trump blames Schumer, immigration policy for Manhattan attack - NY Daily News

Uzbekistan, like Pakistan, is one of our partners in the war against terrorism. There is no rationaltiy to Trump's statement. It's just a disgusting comment that appeals to those who hate Muslim immigrants.
 
It's always amusing to see partisan comments in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy. If the tragedy is a mass shooting, conservatives/Republicans swear we cannot politicize the deaths of innocents by talking about gun control, but if the attack is by a Muslim, they cannot wait to condemn Muslims and call for them to be banned. Conversely, when there is a mass shooting, liberals/Democrats can't wait to talk about gun control and how it could have saved innocent lives, but when it is a minority, they swear we cannot politicize the deaths of innocents by talking about minorities.

It's almost like so many people are gigantic hypocrites, including our political leaders.
 
But Ms Wilson eavesdropping on a phone call from the President to the widow of a dead veteran, to politicize it was ok.
Got it!
 
Wow, the Righties got upset with the gun control folks last month, the The Dear Leader is making politics out of those deaths in NYC. The buck stops with you Trump!! Take some personal responsibility for a change !! Wow, the man is a POS!
 
It's always amusing to see partisan comments in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy. If the tragedy is a mass shooting, conservatives/Republicans swear we cannot politicize the deaths of innocents by talking about gun control, but if the attack is by a Muslim, they cannot wait to condemn Muslims and call for them to be banned. Conversely, when there is a mass shooting, liberals/Democrats can't wait to talk about gun control and how it could have saved innocent lives, but when it is a minority, they swear we cannot politicize the deaths of innocents by talking about minorities.

It's almost like so many people are gigantic hypocrites, including our political leaders.

False equivalency.

Attacks like the one in Manhattan (and London, Paris, etc.) are political terrorism, organized and directed from a declared enemy of our society. They are designed to punish, and also demonstrate our people are not untouchable.

This is different from either typical crimes (like gun-involved thefts and murders), or mental instability (perhaps the Las Vegas attack...although that is still under investigation).
 
It's always amusing to see partisan comments in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy. If the tragedy is a mass shooting, conservatives/Republicans swear we cannot politicize the deaths of innocents by talking about gun control, but if the attack is by a Muslim, they cannot wait to condemn Muslims and call for them to be banned. Conversely, when there is a mass shooting, liberals/Democrats can't wait to talk about gun control and how it could have saved innocent lives, but when it is a minority, they swear we cannot politicize the deaths of innocents by talking about minorities.

It's almost like so many people are gigantic hypocrites, including our political leaders.

I agree but this is the president of the United States. There are American citizens from Uzbekistan. There are immigrants from Uzbekistan. Gun control is about legislation. This is about people. He's fear mongering and blaming immigration. Can you imagine if Trump were president during 9/11?
 
The bodies aren't even cold yet and Trump is politicizing this. What a disgraceful leader he is.



Trump blames Schumer, immigration policy for Manhattan attack - NY Daily News

Uzbekistan, like Pakistan, is one of our partners in the war against terrorism. There is no rationaltiy to Trump's statement. It's just a disgusting comment that appeals to those who hate Muslim immigrants.

I think you are not only wrong but also wrongheaded in this. The administration made a stupid call letting in so many fugitives without sufficient vetting. Obama was warned at the time and we have been very lucky, much luckier than the Europeans, in fact. Of course, they had been more reckless dealing in greater numbers.

And when better mention the negligence, than when it does the damage.
 
Yeah, this happens with literally every major tragedy that occurs world-wide. All sides look for a means of using the event to push their agenda, and it always happens within the first 24 hours. This is not unique to Trump, nor any indication of him being a better or worse leader than every other politician who does the exact same thing. Instead of focusing on the person who does the politicizing, maybe focus on the act of doing so. That, and our inability to hold our own team to the same standard, are the real problems.
 
False equivalency.
No it's not. The point is that people are okay with politicizing deaths, so long as it furthers the agenda they wish to pursue. If it's not in pursuit of their agenda, they fake outrage and claim you cannot politicize deaths.

It's not a false equivalency, it's blatant hypocrisy.

Attacks like the one in Manhattan (and London, Paris, etc.) are political terrorism, organized and directed from a declared enemy of our society. They are designed to punish, and also demonstrate our people are not untouchable.

This is different from either typical crimes (like gun-involved thefts and murders), or mental instability (perhaps the Las Vegas attack...although that is still under investigation).
None of this has anything to do with my point.
I agree but this is the president of the United States.
Uh huh, that's nice. Thank you for sharing.
 
But Ms Wilson eavesdropping on a phone call from the President to the widow of a dead veteran, to politicize it was ok.
Got it!

She didn't politicize it until Trump lied.
 
Yeah, this happens with literally every major tragedy that occurs world-wide. All sides look for a means of using the event to push their agenda, and it always happens within the first 24 hours. This is not unique to Trump, nor any indication of him being a better or worse leader than every other politician who does the exact same thing. Instead of focusing on the person who does the politicizing, maybe focus on the act of doing so. That, and our inability to hold our own team to the same standard, are the real problems.

Yep. This is just a typical politician thing, or really just a people thing in general.
 
False equivalency.

Attacks like the one in Manhattan (and London, Paris, etc.) are political terrorism, organized and directed from a declared enemy of our society. They are designed to punish, and also demonstrate our people are not untouchable.

This is different from either typical crimes (like gun-involved thefts and murders), or mental instability (perhaps the Las Vegas attack...although that is still under investigation).

So, lets test your logic using a practical example. Are you saying that after 9/11 it would have been proper for Schumer to blame Bush for tragedy the day after?
 
The administration made a stupid call letting in so many fugitives without sufficient vetting.

Did Obama let in the 9/11 hijackers too? How do you know that more vetting would have stopped this man? Are you saying he hated America when he applied for immigration 9 years ago? He's been planning this for 9 years?
 
So, lets test your logic using a practical example. Are you saying that after 9/11 it would have been proper for Schumer to blame Bush for tragedy the day after?

Yes. Bush ignored a memo titled "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK THE U.S." and his federal agencies were asleep at the wheel ignoring terrorism.
 
False equivalency.

Attacks like the one in Manhattan (and London, Paris, etc.) are political terrorism, organized and directed...

I agree but we can't expect the left to know the difference. They are just reminded how DJT dribbled ketchup on his steak and lose their minds.:)
 
The bodies aren't even cold yet and Trump is politicizing this. What a disgraceful leader he is.



Trump blames Schumer, immigration policy for Manhattan attack - NY Daily News

Uzbekistan, like Pakistan, is one of our partners in the war against terrorism. There is no rationaltiy to Trump's statement. It's just a disgusting comment that appeals to those who hate Muslim immigrants.

So one can get into the US on a lottery system, and all you have to say is that it’s too soon to re-examine that program by attacking President Trump? You guys just done get it, do you?
 
Yes. Bush ignored a memo titled "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK THE U.S." and his federal agencies were asleep at the wheel ignoring terrorism.

I hate to burst your bubble, but there's a lot of people determined to attack the US, and very few of them are actually able to pull it off. So no, politicizing that would still be wrong.
 
Yes. Bush ignored a memo titled "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK THE U.S." and his federal agencies were asleep at the wheel ignoring terrorism.

Hey, I'm no fan of Bush. But I'm asking if the day after 9/11 it would be proper to blame him politically while everyone is still grieving.

When we're attacked as Americans the first thing we should do is comfort those wounded and unite against our common enemy. Not finger pointing while the bodies are still cold.

We've seen many presidents and none of them have behaved so deplorably.
 
Hey, I'm no fan of Bush. But I'm asking if the day after 9/11 it would be proper to blame him politically while everyone is still grieving.

When we're attacked as Americans the first thing we should do is comfort those wounded and unite against our common enemy. Not finger pointing while the bodies are still cold.

We've seen many presidents and none of them have behaved so deplorably.

People will grieve until the end of time if you coddle them. Its fine to attack anyone when appropriate as long as a proper resolution is proposed. Trump did just that. He attacked a failed program and proposed a solution. Your TDS notwithstanding, there is nothing wrong with what Trump said.
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but there's a lot of people determined to attack the US, and very few of them are actually able to pull it off. So no, politicizing that would still be wrong.

I see the Trump haters coming out of the wall like roaches to defend Bush' incompetence.
 
So one can get into the US on a lottery system, and all you have to say is that it’s too soon to re-examine that program by attacking President Trump? You guys just done get it, do you?

Attacking Trump??? Trump is attacking Schumer. And his attack makes little sense and is incredbly inappropriate the day after the tragedy.

Uzbekistan is our ally in the war against terror. Immigration lotteries have been around forever. It doesn't mean that the applicants aren't screened. Do you have evidence that this terrorist had any terrorist affiliations BEFORE he was admitted into the U.S.? Can we not at least wait until we know the facts to determine whether or not he should have been allowed into the country?

And this is more than a political attack on Schumer. This is pointing the finger and Uzbeki immigrants. It's fear mongering and rouses all the racists and xenophobes in the country. It's disgusting.
 
But Ms Wilson eavesdropping on a phone call from the President to the widow of a dead veteran, to politicize it was ok.
Got it!

Of course it is OK. It is the party double standard rule.
 
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