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Trump declares 'dawn of a new Middle East' as he presides over signing of historic deals

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Pretty easy sitting behind a computer screen making wild ass claims that are not supported by data. You are like far too many liberals buying rhetoric and ignoring results. This OP is about the peace treaty that Trump negotiated and should be celebrated but not by gloom and doom liberals like you
I lived through the Thatcher years, you did not. What data would you like me to present? Oh, and by the way, in order to secure peace you first have to have conflict ro resolve. There has never been conflict between the UAE, Bahrain and Israel. There is therefore no "peace deal". It is nothing more than a formal restoration of diplomatic relations. Fact.

 
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and the right does the same thing. Had Obama donned a suit with an S in the front and a cape, flown to the Middle East and united all of those warring nations in a lasting peace, the right wing would simply have said that the S stands for "socialism" and he didn't do it right anyway.

Both parties are putting party over country currently. As a result, Congress is dysfunctional. Meanwhile, Trump does everything he can to foster division.

Back when Reagan and O'Neill publicly opposed each other, they could still get together and work out compromises and agreements that were good for the country. No more. Now, it's not what's good for the country, but what's good for the party.
Correction; it's what's good for Trump, period. If anyone is dumb enough to believe even for a second that Trump gives a damn for America or her citizens they need a checkup from the neck up.
 

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I lived through the Thatcher years, you did not. What data would you like me to present? Oh, and by the way, in order to secure peace you first have to have conflict ro resolve. There has never been conflict between the UAE, Bahrain and Israel. There is therefore no "peace deal". It is nothing more than a formal restoration of diplomatic relations. Fact.

Didn't realize that Thatcher was involved in creating this treaty that was signed at the WH. Must have missed the pictures of her at this signing.
 

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I lived through the Thatcher years, you did not. What data would you like me to present? Oh, and by the way, in order to secure peace you first have to have conflict ro resolve. There has never been conflict between the UAE, Bahrain and Israel. There is therefore no "peace deal". It is nothing more than a formal restoration of diplomatic relations. Fact.

Oh, by the way, how do you know I didn't live through the Thatcher years? Seems that radical liberalism has created someone who knows exactly who everyone else is and when they were old enough to understand political positions. I still haven't seen any evidence that you understand the U.S. Constitution
 

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Oh, by the way, how do you know I didn't live through the Thatcher years? Seems that radical liberalism has created someone who knows exactly who everyone else is and when they were old enough to understand political positions. I still haven't seen any evidence that you understand the U.S. Constitution
Did you live in England when the Tories under Thatcher were in power? Doubtful-unless you were a serviceman on an air base, in which case you would have been pretty insulated from the rest of the country.
 

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Did you live in England when the Tories under Thatcher were in power? Doubtful-unless you were a serviceman on an air base, in which case you would have been pretty insulated from the rest of the country.
No, do you live in this country under the Trump Administration?
 

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No, do you live in this country under the Trump Administration?
Why would I want to live in America? A violent, divided nation run by a megalomaniacal moron? No thanks; you're welcome to it, and the Covid-19 disaster he did nothing about for months-and then lied about it for months. So much winning! Right now I would be embarrassed to even admit I was a citizen of your country.
 

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Why would I want to live in America? A violent, divided nation run by a megalomaniacal moron? No thanks; you're welcome to it.
No Idea nor do I care, but that isn't the issue, you brought up the fact that I don't live in England thus have no idea about Thatcher, the same holds true in reverse for you, you don't live in this country yet attack our President. Your biased partisanship is noted. Maybe this foreigner will help you understand where you are wrong

http://www.morethanonelife.com/a-canadians-view-of-president-trump.html
 

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No Idea nor do I care, but that isn't the issue, you brought up the fact that I don't live in England thus have no idea about Thatcher, the same holds true in reverse for you, you don't live in this country yet attack our President. Your biased partisanship is noted. Maybe this foreigner will help you understand where you are wrong

http://www.morethanonelife.com/a-canadians-view-of-president-trump.html
Good idea. Let's start with where I'm wrong in assuming Trump stole money from his charity 'foundation' and was thus fined $3 million for "a shocking pattern of financial illegality", for using the funds to promote himself. Am I also mistaken that Trump defrauded hundreds of students with a fake 'university', and was forced to settle with them to the tune of $25 million to avoid a court appearance? I guess I'm also wrong about Trump promising coal miners their jobs were safe-while mines were closing all around them.
We can also talk about Mexico's cheque and the amazing new healthcare plan he announced would be released "in two weeks". That was in mid-July.
Will that do for now? Ok, now's your opportunity to educate me.
 

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Good idea. Let's start with where I'm wrong in assuming Trump stole money from his charity 'foundation' and was thus fined $3 million for "a shocking pattern of financial illegality", for using the funds to promote himself. Am I also mistaken that Trump defrauded hundreds of students with a fake 'university', and was forced to settle with them to the tune of $25 million to avoid a court appearance? I guess I'm also wrong about Trump promising coal miners their jobs were safe-while mines were closing all around them.
We can also talk about Mexico's cheque and the amazing new healthcare plan he announced would be released "in two weeks". That was in mid-July.
Will that do for now? Ok, now's your opportunity to educate me.
Let's start with the fact that the 2016 election is over and Trump is responsible for results after taking office. That supposed issue was debated prior to the 2016 elections and Hillary LOST!!

I gave you a link from a Canadian explaining the Mexico wall issue but like most liberals you attach yourself to a single anti Trump issue and run with it. The wall is being built, illegal immigration is down and Mexico is paying for the wall due to a reduction in illegal immigration expense

As for healthcare, Trump has been in office four years, the last two with a Democratic House trying to get rid of him. that will change in November and during this second term he will handle issues of concern to our country not yours
 

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Good idea. Let's start with where I'm wrong in assuming Trump stole money from his charity 'foundation' and was thus fined $3 million for "a shocking pattern of financial illegality", for using the funds to promote himself. Am I also mistaken that Trump defrauded hundreds of students with a fake 'university', and was forced to settle with them to the tune of $25 million to avoid a court appearance? I guess I'm also wrong about Trump promising coal miners their jobs were safe-while mines were closing all around them.
We can also talk about Mexico's cheque and the amazing new healthcare plan he announced would be released "in two weeks". That was in mid-July.
Will that do for now? Ok, now's your opportunity to educate me.

From the article that you haven't read and thus ignored

He’s the guy who campaigned on securing the border - protecting America - in the face of screaming democrats and the liberal media. ...And these SAME leaders of your democrat party (both the Clintons, Chucky Schumer, Harry Reed, Barack Obama, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi et al...) ALL were in FAVOR of constructing the wall 'UNTIL' Trump had the fortitude to actually do it!!!

Now your comeback might be: 'Oh, he said Mexico was going to pay for it'.. Does that ring a bell? Well let me quickly set you straight on this one: Have you compared the old EXTREMELY one-sided NAFTA agreement (negotiated by none other than Jimmy 'peanuts' Carter) with the NEW U.S.M.C. agreement? Well I have...And let me tell you this: Mexico will now end up paying much MORE for your goods than you will for theirs...And why you might ask?? Because they're far more reliant on the U.S. than you are of them. Yes, it will take time but the bottom line is;...They WILL end up paying for the wall just like Trump said all along! Admittedly as a Canadian, this new USMCA is certainly not as beneficial as NAFTA was for both my country and Mexico. Previously our farmers had a huge monopoly over your farmers but 'fair is fair'...
 

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Just ten years ago no one would ever thought Arab nations would be recognizing and opening diplomatic relations with Israel.
 

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Why would I want to live in America? A violent, divided nation run by a megalomaniacal moron? No thanks; you're welcome to it, and the Covid-19 disaster he did nothing about for months-and then lied about it for months.
And still, the US has fewer deaths per million than the UK from COVID. Sweden did nothing for even longer than the US and UK and did better than both our nations. I suspect the deadliness of COVID has little relation to government action and is instead dictated by differing general living conditions that effect the rate of infection and the nations ability to medically treat those afflicted that effect the number of resulting deaths from those cases. AND little to nothing to do with rhetoric from a nations President or Prime Minister.
 

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NO, the issue is not the infections it is the handling of the cases once infected. That is the focus on the left cases not recoveries or the reaction of the medical community.
I do agree that an important pillar in dealing with COVID is handling infected cases, it is absolutely essential to contain and limit the spread. But I find it quite concerning that your views align with what I call a 'reactionary' approach, rather than a 'proactive' one. Interestingly this also aligns with what Trump has run with since the start of the outbreak.

This is an important point and a medically endorsed view held by nearly every medical professional in the world.
The primary issue and focus is infections because if there are no (or fewer) infections there are fewer resources and risks that have to be applied to the infected people. The US has failed to adopt such a view, failed to contain the virus, and is now chasing its tail trying to manage the 2.5 million-odd infections. It's a self-induced logistical nightmare because a reactive strategy has been adopted.

You can seek to politicize the virus into the views of left and right but the view I have presented above is a-political and medically supported and endorsed. You simply cannot deny it.

IF I get the virus I will blame only one person, ME, not the mayor, not the governor, and certainly not the President. If I do get the virus I want my medical team here to treat me.
You ignore the fact the Government has a responsibility to respond to a pandemic and that stopping/slowing a pandemic is something an individual human cannot do alone. The Government was voted by the people and for the people to respond to a whole host of issues, including a health crisis.

If an individual gets COVID yes that is largely their fault. But community transmission is high and in turn, the risks are heightened because of the overarching failure of the response to COVID. Was it not the Governments responsibility to limit the spread of the virus and limit a person's chance of catching COVID?

Countries like NZ, Australia, Taiwan and South Korea are examples of an effective Government response where individual responsibility is effectively combined with Governmental responsibility. The Governments actually enforced and embarked on stringent health measures, based on medical advice, and in turn was largely supported by the population.

The so called disjointed response to Covid is what our Founders created, powers at the state and local levels not power over state and cities by the federal gov't. You and far too many cannot seem to grasp that reality. Trump does not have the power to shutdown states, mandate masks, enforce quarantines, or to reopen states, those are local responsibilities. Trump only can manage federal assets and federal operations.
Trump has the opportunity to be a leader, unify the people, unify the states.......he has failed. Whilst he directly doesn't have those powers, a collective platform for negotiation and discussion could have been set up to ensure he was part of the decision making process and influence in what states did. Instead, he has played partisan politics with the issue and sought to divide not unify.

Australia is an example of how a leader, Scott Morrison, actually leads a nation and unifies the response. He created National Cabinet in March where all the states and territories come together to ensure the most cohesive response to COVID on a whole host of major topics are addressed. Why could Trump not do this and put his ego and politics above a health pandemic?[/QUOTE]
 

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I do agree that an important pillar in dealing with COVID is handling infected cases, it is absolutely essential to contain and limit the spread. But I find it quite concerning that your views align with what I call a 'reactionary' approach, rather than a 'proactive' one. Interestingly this also aligns with what Trump has run with since the start of the outbreak.

This is an important point and a medically endorsed view held by nearly every medical professional in the world.
The primary issue and focus is infections because if there are no (or fewer) infections there are fewer resources and risks that have to be applied to the infected people. The US has failed to adopt such a view, failed to contain the virus, and is now chasing its tail trying to manage the 2.5 million-odd infections. It's a self-induced logistical nightmare because a reactive strategy has been adopted.

You can seek to politicize the virus into the views of left and right but the view I have presented above is a-political and medically supported and endorsed. You simply cannot deny it.



You ignore the fact the Government has a responsibility to respond to a pandemic and that stopping/slowing a pandemic is something an individual human cannot do alone. The Government was voted by the people and for the people to respond to a whole host of issues, including a health crisis.

If an individual gets COVID yes that is largely their fault. But community transmission is high and in turn, the risks are heightened because of the overarching failure of the response to COVID. Was it not the Governments responsibility to limit the spread of the virus and limit a person's chance of catching COVID?

Countries like NZ, Australia, Taiwan and South Korea are examples of an effective Government response where individual responsibility is effectively combined with Governmental responsibility. The Governments actually enforced and embarked on stringent health measures, based on medical advice, and in turn was largely supported by the population.



Trump has the opportunity to be a leader, unify the people, unify the states.......he has failed. Whilst he directly doesn't have those powers, a collective platform for negotiation and discussion could have been set up to ensure he was part of the decision making process and influence in what states did. Instead, he has played partisan politics with the issue and sought to divide not unify.

Australia is an example of how a leader, Scott Morrison, actually leads a nation and unifies the response. He created National Cabinet in March where all the states and territories come together to ensure the most cohesive response to COVID on a whole host of major topics are addressed. Why could Trump not do this and put his ego and politics above a health pandemic?
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How do you unite a nation when you have a party in place that has been trying to get rid of him for 4 years? You think Harris is a leader? What is your vision of leadership? You think the cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Chicago, Kenosha, Louisville, NYC have leaders running them? We have seen leadership in action in those cities and now in Louisville. There is a reason that the police in this country who are hired, trained, and paid by the city are endorsing Trump, does that resonate?
 

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How do you unite a nation when you have a party in place that has been trying to get rid of him for 4 years? [/QUOTE]

That's how a democracy works...that is politics in a nutshell. The opposition who are not in Government have a role to play, centered around holding the current Government to account. Why is it other countries have been capable of putting political differences aside in the interests of the nation......but the US is one of the only countries incapable of doing this?

Australia is a primary example. The creation of the National Cabinet saw politicians from all sides of politics from federal and state governments come together and devise an effective national plan to combat the virus, all under the leadership of PM Scott Morrison. Trump has played partisan politics. Trump has displayed no leadership merely a failed attempt at boosting his ego. And has gone against medical expert advice. He was President Trump before the election, now he thinks he has become Dr Trump, Scientist Trump, Epidemiologist Trump and Professor Trump. An absolute train wreck, if I have ever seen one.

You think Harris is a leader? What is your vision of leadership?
I don't agree with all of their policies nor past decisions but I feel a sense of unity, calm and hope under Harris and Biden. It relates to three key traits: genuineness, consistency, personability.

Under Trump, everything feels institutional, fake, unorganized, confusing and a complete and utter mess.

You think the cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Chicago, Kenosha, Louisville, NYC have leaders running them? We have seen leadership in action in those cities and now in Louisville. There is a reason that the police in this country who are hired, trained, and paid by the city are endorsing Trump, does that resonate?
I think that over time those cities leadership is questionable and an evaluation of the response and strategy behind their intentions must be questioned. What we have seen, however, is also no national leadership. This is a cycle which will continue unless someone with calm, strategy and purpose seeks to make change.

Trumps tactics on this issue have failed, and any normal person would reconsider how they approach this issue. I
 

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That's how a democracy works...that is politics in a nutshell. The opposition who are not in Government have a role to play, centered around holding the current Government to account. Why is it other countries have been capable of putting political differences aside in the interests of the nation......but the US is one of the only countries incapable of doing this?

Australia is a primary example. The creation of the National Cabinet saw politicians from all sides of politics from federal and state governments come together and devise an effective national plan to combat the virus, all under the leadership of PM Scott Morrison. Trump has played partisan politics. Trump has displayed no leadership merely a failed attempt at boosting his ego. And has gone against medical expert advice. He was President Trump before the election, now he thinks he has become Dr Trump, Scientist Trump, Epidemiologist Trump and Professor Trump. An absolute train wreck, if I have ever seen one.



I don't agree with all of their policies nor past decisions but I feel a sense of unity, calm and hope under Harris and Biden. It relates to three key traits: genuineness, consistency, personability.

Under Trump, everything feels institutional, fake, unorganized, confusing and a complete and utter mess.



I think that over time those cities leadership is questionable and an evaluation of the response and strategy behind their intentions must be questioned. What we have seen, however, is also no national leadership. This is a cycle which will continue unless someone with calm, strategy and purpose seeks to make change.

Trumps tactics on this issue have failed, and any normal person would reconsider how they approach this issue. I
I have a couple threads in this forum about policies, procedures, agendas, and the Biden Hoax, this isn't one of them. This is about celebrating a foreign policy success but I forgot anti Trump zealots cannot celebrate success only gloom and doom. Trump hasn't failed, you and your ideology have failed by nominating another multi millionaire public servant with an empty resume to take over an economy that set records for the first three years and benefited all taxpaying Americans. You like far too many ignore actual results and focus solely on the negatives. Trump's policies have worked and are working now, we are recovery from the recession and the anti Trump Sentiment of countries around the world is what you promote ignoring the good he is doing. Appeasement is what the left promotes and all that does is embolden our enemies,

https://asiatimes.com/2020/09/did-trump-really-spoil-americas-asia-alliances/
 

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This is laughable. Bahrain and UAE were not at war with Israel and even had backdoor talks behind the curtain. So this "peace deal" is wortless.

Come back when the Iranians make peace with Israel, before that happenes, all this is worthless.
 

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I have a couple threads in this forum about policies, procedures, agendas, and the Biden Hoax, this isn't one of them. This is about celebrating a foreign policy success but I forgot anti Trump zealots cannot celebrate success only gloom and doom.
Let's be clear on a couple of things.

1) You don't get to dictate exactly what gets said of this forum. Why are you trying to stifle my right to freedom of speech?
2) I responded to the questions you posed....just because you don't like or don't agree with the answer doesn't mean I cannot put forth my views

You asked:
Whether an individual is a leader and what their vision is for leadership........this has direct links with one's policies, objectives and agendas.
I explained how I believe Harris shows leadership and her traits as a leader and compared the US to a country that has successful leadership and unity.

ITS HOLDING THE PRESIDENT ACCOUNTABLE.....The current state of the country provides very little to celebrate from an economic, health and political perspective.

Trump hasn't failed, you and your ideology have failed by nominating another multi millionaire public servant with an empty resume to take over an economy that set records for the first three years and benefited all taxpaying Americans
What kind of records did it set? Interestingly that's what Trump wants Americans to think and you have believed his lies.


You like far too many ignore actual results and focus solely on the negatives. Trump's policies have worked and are working now, we are recovery from the recession and the anti Trump Sentiment of countries around the world is what you promote ignoring the good he is doing. Appeasement is what the left promotes and all that does is embolden our enemies,

https://asiatimes.com/2020/09/did-trump-really-spoil-americas-asia-alliances/
The actual results.....200,000 Americans dead as a result of COVID
The actual results.....A failed trade war with China that has hit the US farming sector extremely hard. He wanted a trade surplus with China but how do you achieve this when...'American agricultural exports to China fell from $15.8 billion in 2017 to $5.9 billion in 2018, according to the U.S. International Trade Administration, and exports have remained depressed in 2019.'
The actual results.....a divided America with no unity and no leadership
The actual results.....of the last 11 presidents Trump had the 4th worst economy, in terms of GDP growth.
The actual results....he has never had the best stock market.

This is fact. This is Trump's record. A failed President.
 

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This is laughable. Bahrain and UAE were not at war with Israel and even had backdoor talks behind the curtain. So this "peace deal" is wortless.

Come back when the Iranians make peace with Israel, before that happenes, all this is worthless.
?????Iran's not at war.
 
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