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Solutions? Good grief! The Texass bagger is so deep in denial about infant mortality even being an issue so as to question its existence! You then have the chutzpah to mention one of the greatest scientists of all time! The derangement required to post such things online is incalculable.

I have dealt with people like you my entire life, you give the impression you give a damn but the truth is you don't or you would do something about it. You would get out there and work to change the system within the area that you can control but no you delegate that to some federal bureaucrat just to make you feel good. You define liberalism quite well, a feel good ideology whose solution is to divert from personal responsibility and just throw money at the problem. 7 years of Obama and have things improved? How about ACA, how many people are still uninsured in this country? Keep showing just how intellectually dishonest you can be
 
Why is spending never questioned when it is tied to compassion? The baseline budgeting has to change and it is time to return the Federal Govt. back to its roots and return ALL social spending excluding SS and Medicare back to the states..
Because states cannot consistently fund....say for example, programs like KidsCare (child health insurance)....when state revenue declines.... because of failing home values.....due to a Bush recession.
 
How about ACA, how many people are still uninsured in this country?
Around 20 million fewer than would be without the ACA.

hurr durr


But then again, you could say those stats are incorrect also......there are all sorts of deniability paths.
 
You've constructed a nice little racket for yourself here, where no matter what Hillary Clinton says, you can just fall back on "she's lying!!!1"

She is a liar, and a walking cesspool of corruption.

You know, if that jackal does win the election, you can look forward to 4-8 years of us being all over her case and making her corrupt existence miserable. You won't have to like it.
 
Because states cannot consistently fund....say for example, programs like KidsCare (child health insurance)....when state revenue declines.... because of failing home values.....due to a Bush recession.

That is your opinion and typical leftwing bs. I live in TX and we have an organization here that provides FREE healthcare to the uninsured and it is funded by the community. If you say you can't do something then you never will accomplish anything. Yes, the local community can fund KidsCare but you just don't have the will or the ability to make it happen
 
Around 20 million fewer than would be without the ACA.

hurr durr


But then again, you could say those stats are incorrect also......there are all sorts of deniability paths.

Really? so with over 30 million uninsured today that is 20 million less? What is that number going to be when Aetna drops ACA next year? You just don't get it and never will. Live in that liberal dream world never accomplishing anything and yet always whining about everything. Keep wallowing in that negative liberal world you live in blaming everyone else but yourself
 
That is your opinion and typical leftwing bs
The KidsCare insurance program for children in low-income families remains in limbo pending state legislative action on next fiscal year's budget.
Some action was anticipated this week, but the Legislature adjourned with no more than rumblings over progress on the spending package.
Arizona froze KidsCare enrollments in 2010 because of a lack of funding. It can be unfrozen under a federal promise to pay all the costs.
As a result of the changed federal policy, the Children’s Action Alliance wants the Legislature to unfreeze enrollment in KidsCare.
“If we unfreeze KidsCare, it would bring Arizona along with the whole rest of the country so that our kids won’t stay behind children in every other state and it gives parents an affordable option,” said Dana Naimark, president of the Children’s Action Alliance.
The Arizona House approved a bill unfreezing KidsCare, but it stalled in the state Senate, where Senate President Andy Biggs said he opposes it.
Biggs' office declined a request for an interview. Previously, he told other news media he opposed unfreezing KidsCare because although the federal government would pay for it, the money still comes from taxpayers.
Biggs is running for Congress in Central Arizona this year.
Naimark said his argument is an oversimplified way of looking at the issue.
“He is absolutely correct, it is not free," she said. "What we say is that it is covered by federal taxes Arizonans have already paid. So we’ve been paying our federal taxes, this is getting our share instead of having our dollars and our health care go to children in other states."
Doctors have said they see the firsthand what happens when young patients lose health insurance coverage.
“I see that in my own practice where I had patients on KidsCare and lost that insurance and they couldn’t come to see me, or felt they couldn’t financially,” said Dr. Eve Shapiro, an Oro Valley pediatrician.

Shapiro said those kids often end up in the emergency room to deal with a health crisis that could have been avoided with early doctor visits. She pointed out the ER and urgent care is more expensive than a regular doctor’s visit.
Most people think of children as healthy, but Shapiro said that is not the reality.
Many have chronic diseases like asthma. When it comes to chronic diseases, managing them with medication is expensive.
"Even when we were in flu season, the cost of Tamiflu, the drug for flu, has gone up to over $150 for a treatment and it used to be a few dollars,” she said.
The budget could be released next week and that may be the first time KidsCare supporters will know if they were successful.
If KidsCare does not make it into the budget, Arizona will continue to be the only state in the nation without a children’s health insurance program.
https://news.azpm.org/p/health-news...na-kidscare-funding-future-still-in-question/
 
The KidsCare insurance program for children in low-income families remains in limbo pending state legislative action on next fiscal year's budget.
Some action was anticipated this week, but the Legislature adjourned with no more than rumblings over progress on the spending package.
Arizona froze KidsCare enrollments in 2010 because of a lack of funding. It can be unfrozen under a federal promise to pay all the costs.
As a result of the changed federal policy, the Children’s Action Alliance wants the Legislature to unfreeze enrollment in KidsCare.
“If we unfreeze KidsCare, it would bring Arizona along with the whole rest of the country so that our kids won’t stay behind children in every other state and it gives parents an affordable option,” said Dana Naimark, president of the Children’s Action Alliance.
The Arizona House approved a bill unfreezing KidsCare, but it stalled in the state Senate, where Senate President Andy Biggs said he opposes it.
Biggs' office declined a request for an interview. Previously, he told other news media he opposed unfreezing KidsCare because although the federal government would pay for it, the money still comes from taxpayers.
Biggs is running for Congress in Central Arizona this year.
Naimark said his argument is an oversimplified way of looking at the issue.
“He is absolutely correct, it is not free," she said. "What we say is that it is covered by federal taxes Arizonans have already paid. So we’ve been paying our federal taxes, this is getting our share instead of having our dollars and our health care go to children in other states."
Doctors have said they see the firsthand what happens when young patients lose health insurance coverage.
“I see that in my own practice where I had patients on KidsCare and lost that insurance and they couldn’t come to see me, or felt they couldn’t financially,” said Dr. Eve Shapiro, an Oro Valley pediatrician.

Shapiro said those kids often end up in the emergency room to deal with a health crisis that could have been avoided with early doctor visits. She pointed out the ER and urgent care is more expensive than a regular doctor’s visit.
Most people think of children as healthy, but Shapiro said that is not the reality.
Many have chronic diseases like asthma. When it comes to chronic diseases, managing them with medication is expensive.
"Even when we were in flu season, the cost of Tamiflu, the drug for flu, has gone up to over $150 for a treatment and it used to be a few dollars,” she said.
The budget could be released next week and that may be the first time KidsCare supporters will know if they were successful.
If KidsCare does not make it into the budget, Arizona will continue to be the only state in the nation without a children’s health insurance program.
https://news.azpm.org/p/health-news...na-kidscare-funding-future-still-in-question/

So as usual you expect the federal taxpayers to fund a local program in the state of Arizona? What a surprise. You cannot sell your state on the program so you go to the federal govt. and expect the taxpayers of the other 49 states fund your program? Why don't you petition the federal govt. to give you a tax cut so you and other concerned citizens in Arizona can take that additional income and fund the program?
 
So as usual you expect the federal taxpayers to fund a local program in the state of Arizona?
WTF kind of insanity is this? Every state in the Union, including Texas, has a federally funded Childrens Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that did not suspend enrollment......except for...ARIZONA. Now we have a percentage of children NOT covered by Medicaid exceeding every other state except....wait for it....Nevada.....and....Texass.

What Canceling An Insurance Program Meant For Arizona’s Kids | FiveThirtyEight
 
WTF kind of insanity is this? Every state in the Union, including Texas, has a federally funded Childrens Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that did not suspend enrollment......except for...ARIZONA. Now we have a percentage of children NOT covered by Medicaid exceeding every other state except....wait for it....Nevada.....and....Texass.

What Canceling An Insurance Program Meant For Arizona’s Kids | FiveThirtyEight

Yes, a federal mandate and it is WRONG!!!!! Big govt. liberals like you always want the federal govt. to do what you cannot do in your state
 
Yes, a federal mandate and it is WRONG!!!!! Big govt. liberals like you always want the federal govt. to do what you cannot do in your state
So just to be absolutely clear, it is the right thing to stop the enrollment of the poorest of the poorest children, the most vulnerable citizen, in a basic health program, at the whim of a STATE right wing legislature.....even when federal tax dollars that AZ citizens paid out are available.
 
So just to be absolutely clear, it is the right thing to stop the enrollment of the poorest of the poorest children, the most vulnerable citizen, in a basic health program, at the whim of a STATE right wing legislature.....even when federal tax dollars that AZ citizens paid out are available.

It is the responsibility of the state to handle state and local issues not the Federal taxpayers. If the federal govt. mandates it then that is the federal governments responsibility to fund it
 
It is the responsibility of the state to handle state and local issues not the Federal taxpayers. If the federal govt. mandates it then that is the federal governments responsibility to fund it
You have no grasp of the issue, even with plenty of documentation and explanation provided. AZ citizens have paid into Medicare, of which AZ CHIP is a part. The state legislature shut down the state administration of a federally funded program....even though federal funds were available. Families were forced into the private market, many could not afford those policies....and lots of kids went without any insurance.....causing the real rise in uninsured poor children.
 
You have no grasp of the issue, even with plenty of documentation and explanation provided. AZ citizens have paid into Medicare, of which AZ CHIP is a part. The state legislature shut down the state administration of a federally funded program....even though federal funds were available. Families were forced into the private market, many could not afford those policies....and lots of kids went without any insurance.....causing the real rise in uninsured poor children.

So CHIP is part of Medicare? That is news to me and most people as CHIP is part of Medicaid which is a joint venture between the state and federal govt. The state has the right to cut whatever part of that they want and your state has term limits yet for some reason you want to federal govt. and federal taxpayers to fund your local programs
 
So CHIP is part of Medicare? That is news to me and most people as CHIP is part of Medicaid
Even a broken clock..
which is a joint venture between the state and federal govt. The state has the right to cut whatever part of that they want and your state has term limits yet for some reason you want to federal govt. and federal taxpayers to fund your local programs
Um, you just pointed out....it is a part of medicaid....that AZ taxpayers have paid into. The question is not a matter of rights of the legislature, it is an example of state legislature not providing for the welfare of the most vulnerable citizens...even when the funding is available.
 
Even a broken clock..Um, you just pointed out....it is a part of medicaid....that AZ taxpayers have paid into. The question is not a matter of rights of the legislature, it is an example of state legislature not providing for the welfare of the most vulnerable citizens...even when the funding is available.

That is your opinion but obviously not viewed by your elected Representatives so when you don't get your way you look to the Federal Govt. to implement what you want? How liberal of you. Looks like the people of Arizona have spoken through their Representatives which correct me if I am wrong are term limited. You don't like the outcome lobby to change the legislature or better yet form a group in your own community to fund the program on your own. Stop looking to the federal taxpayers to fund state and local programs

By the way noticed you still cannot apologize for being wrong. that is another liberal trait
 
That is your opinion but obviously not viewed by your elected Representatives so when you don't get your way you look to the Federal Govt. to implement what you want? How liberal of you. Looks like the people of Arizona have spoken through their Representatives which correct me if I am wrong are term limited. You don't like the outcome lobby to change the legislature or better yet form a group in your own community to fund the program on your own. Stop looking to the federal taxpayers to fund state and local programs

By the way noticed you still cannot apologize for being wrong. that is another liberal trait
Go on repeating the same moronic crap that you previously contradicted, it is money AZ taxpayers have ALREADY paid out....that the AZ legislature has deemed to not receive, to implement, to distribute to those families with children that need it. If a legislature withholds funds due to ideology, then yes, I would be happy for the federal govt to override the state.....just as what happened when other Southern conservative states deny blacks access to equal education. Your whole states rights argument breaks down on these examples...and you don't care who gets hurt....or dies. You are arguing for children to go without medical care to satisfy your ideologue sense of purity. Please, for gawds sake, don't ever tell me again about how you care for the poor, this example shows how hypocritical you are....once again.
 
Go on repeating the same moronic crap that you previously contradicted, it is money AZ taxpayers have ALREADY paid out....that the AZ legislature has deemed to not receive, to implement, to distribute to those families with children that need it. If a legislature withholds funds due to ideology, then yes, I would be happy for the federal govt to override the state.....just as what happened when other Southern conservative states deny blacks access to equal education. Your whole states rights argument breaks down on these examples...and you don't care who gets hurt....or dies. You are arguing for children to go without medical care to satisfy your ideologue sense of purity. Please, for gawds sake, don't ever tell me again about how you care for the poor, this example shows how hypocritical you are....once again.

Arizona taxpayers paid out for Medicaid not necessarily for the program you want. You don't like it protest it to that all powerful Federal Govt. you think is going to save you. This is an emotional issue for you but you are out of touch with reality and don't understand the role of either the state or federal govt. There are classes to help you
 
Those questions are better posed towards Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton.

Trump has created 10's of thousands of jobs and wouldn't be a billionaire if he didn't have leadership skills. And you should never trust anything a politician says so I certainly agree with that one.
 
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