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Now that trumps policies are fully implemented, we are entering a bear market, Housing market is stumbling. Are we in a situation similar to 2008 where it will all go to ****?
 

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God damn you, Alan Parson!
 

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Now that trumps policies are fully implemented, we are entering a bear market, Housing market is stumbling. Are we in a situation similar to 2008 where it will all go to ****?

It's almost like you want the economy to fail.
 

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Now that trumps policies are fully implemented, we are entering a bear market, Housing market is stumbling. Are we in a situation similar to 2008 where it will all go to ****?

The conplete opposite. Our economy is so strong it has outpaced the rest of the world. No other country is raising interest rates.

The worry is we having slowing growth because we have been too successful.
 

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It's almost like you want the economy to fail.

It's not that we want it to fail, it's that this is predictable, given Trump's erratic personality and reckless policies.
 

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The conplete opposite. Our economy is so strong it has outpaced the rest of the world. No other country is raising interest rates.

The worry is we having slowing growth because we have been too successful.

Yet again, you have absolutely no clue what you're babbling about.

https://twitter.com/joe_atikian/status/1063425873968316416

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/...97o5vqtiQUf2beOM&smid=fb-nytopinion&smtyp=cur

https://twitter.com/NewYorkFed/status/1063474720358711301

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/...e-corporate-behavior-heres-what-happened.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stanco...2N3Ms0ffsFm5vu0ZxjraNIyQjKDFlkAg#3da85edb564a
 

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I think, if anything, we will see a tumble in the market over the trade war with China. It will be a necessary "rip off of a band-aid" type situation.
 

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The conplete opposite. Our economy is so strong it has outpaced the rest of the world. No other country is raising interest rates.

The worry is we having slowing growth because we have been too successful.

Why do you do that? Beak off without knowing what the hell you're talking about? Canada has raised it's rate 5 times since last summer and it's higher now than it's been since '08.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bank-canada-interest-rate-1.4875958
 

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It's almost like you want the economy to fail.

I dont see how it would benefit me. I guess I would get to buy cheap stock so maybe it could be a positive.
 

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Now that trumps policies are fully implemented, we are entering a bear market, Housing market is stumbling. Are we in a situation similar to 2008 where it will all go to ****?

This is not a bear market.
Stop with the fear mongering and hope that this is happening, like the rest of the loonies.

All indicators point to a strong economy, and as a result interest rates are rising.
Be happy that interest rates are not being artificially held down to give us a status quo looking economy. Much like we had under the Obama reign.

No worries... everything is fine.
 

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I think, if anything, we will see a tumble in the market over the trade war with China. It will be a necessary "rip off of a band-aid" type situation.

Most of the trade war with china news has been priced in the market.
 

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Most of the trade war with china news has been priced in the market.

It usually raises when rumors of ending the trade war or "reaching a deal" is hinted. I think if it turns out to become an economic cold war (which is should) the markets will suffer a temporary bump. We have to divest from China before their ponzi scheme of an economy collapses on itself and also for national security reasons.
 

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Now that trumps policies are fully implemented, we are entering a bear market, Housing market is stumbling. Are we in a situation similar to 2008 where it will all go to ****?

It will get much worse after April of 2019. For the first four months of 2019, the Treasury will see the dwindling tax revenue from all the Tax Cuts to the Billionaires. The Treasury Secretary will then advise severe Austerity measures. There will be a severe drop in the confidence level of Americans, leading to a halving of most stock indexes.
 

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The conplete opposite. Our economy is so strong it has outpaced the rest of the world. No other country is raising interest rates.

The worry is we having slowing growth because we have been too successful.

First, while we’ve had two good quarters of growth, that’s not exceptional: growth rates fluctuate all the time. We had two quarters over 5% in 2014, and almost nobody noticed. We’re not looking at anything like Reagan’s “morning in America” boom, or even the Clinton boom, which went on for many years.

That said, there’s no question that deficit spending has given the economy a short-run boost. We could have had that boost any time over the past eight years, but Republicans kept demanding spending cuts, claiming to be deeply concerned about the deficit. Then Trump comes in, and deficits don’t matter anymore. No surprise that you get some speedup, for a while at least.
 

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Most of the trade war with china news has been priced in the market.
Trade policy is a funny area: I think people tend to overstate its importance, partly because it sounds important, partly because free trade plays such an important role in the history of economic thought.

So, some perspective: America and China are both very big economies, and trade between them isn’t that big as a share of GDP. So you don’t want to get apocalyptic about the trade war.

Still, it’s disruptive. A lot of businesses have made investments, hired people, based on the expectation of stable trading relationships. When you shake those up, some bad things happen – like farmers sitting on piles of rotting soybeans because China has stopped buying. Most people will barely notice the effects of the trade war, but a few people -- mainly in areas that Trump won bigly -- will be hard hit.
 

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Now that trumps policies are fully implemented, we are entering a bear market, Housing market is stumbling. Are we in a situation similar to 2008 where it will all go to ****?

25.3K is a bear market? Interesting how your standards are so low with Obama who never generated the results Trump has generated but now are extremely high in the reality that the market is up 30% since Trump took office. Your definition of bear is skewed by a perverted ideology
 

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Now that trumps policies are fully implemented, we are entering a bear market, Housing market is stumbling. Are we in a situation similar to 2008 where it will all go to ****?

Funny how a 99percenter would give a crap about the stock market. Part of the trouble with the stock market is because we have a booming economy with rising interest rates.
 

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Funny how a 99percenter would give a crap about the stock market. Part of the trouble with the stock market is because we have a booming economy with rising interest rates.

Yep, amazing transformation, now the left cares about the deficit, the debt, and of course corporate profits that affect stock prices. Stunning!!
 

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The conplete opposite. Our economy is so strong it has outpaced the rest of the world. No other country is raising interest rates.

The worry is we having slowing growth because we have been too successful.

It's not that we want it to fail, it's that this is predictable, given Trump's erratic personality and reckless policies.

No, only the tax break ruins it.

Yep, amazing transformation, now the left cares about the deficit, the debt, and of course corporate profits that affect stock prices. Stunning!!

The left would have had the Debt paid with Al Gor, now you've gone and done the same thing with your tax cut and what is growing for all your numbers is growing out of balance like a cancer because you've given money to cancerous people and people who make money keeping you sick.

Of course Congress is cancerous too, but what is more cancerous is not paying your bills and expecting your tax break is going to do anything other than this.

This is because if you give tax break, those people invest their money and there is a little growth for the election, but then those investors get return at big savings and invest that money to extract yet more yet wealth from the economy.
 

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No, only the tax break ruins it.



The left would have had the Debt paid with Al Gor, now you've gone and done the same thing with your tax cut and what is growing for all your numbers is growing out of balance like a cancer because you've given money to cancerous people and people who make money keeping you sick.

Of course Congress is cancerous too, but what is more cancerous is not paying your bills and expecting your tax break is going to do anything other than this.

This is because if you give tax break, those people invest their money and there is a little growth for the election, but then those investors get return at big savings and invest that money to extract yet more yet wealth from the economy.

You have been indoctrinated well, Clinton/Gore added 1.4 trillion to the debt but keep embarrassing yourself by posting false information. Treasury is the place to find the deficit by year
 

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Yep, amazing transformation, now the left cares about the deficit, the debt, and of course corporate profits that affect stock prices. Stunning!!

Democrats passed "Pay as You Go" under the evil Nancy Pelosi. Meaning that any bill passed that increased spending had to be paid for either in new revenue or savings. The Republicans suspended it. Pelosi has already committed to ending that suspension. Republicans only care about the deficit when a Democrat is in the White House.
 

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Democrats passed "Pay as You Go" under the evil Nancy Pelosi. Meaning that any bill passed that increased spending had to be paid for either in new revenue or savings. The Republicans suspended it. Pelosi has already committed to ending that suspension. Republicans only care about the deficit when a Democrat is in the White House.

OMG, how can so many people be so easily indoctrinated by the radical left that you buy what you are told and ignore the official data. The only time the deficits were under a trillion dollars for Obama was due to sequester and then the GOP Controlled Congress. What on earth is wrong with you people? Facts are available at

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
 

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You have been indoctrinated well, Clinton/Gore added 1.4 trillion to the debt but keep embarrassing yourself by posting false information. Treasury is the place to find the deficit by year

Clinton inherited Bush I trajectories that he had turned around by the end of his administration, if you're borrowing half a trillion dollars a year to begin with sure you're going to rack up 1.4 before you get it turned around.

People were the same way with Obama, because the economy hasn't fully recovered in a few months he's the bad guy.

You people better start thinking.

OMG, how can so many people be so easily indoctrinated by the radical left that you buy what you are told and ignore the official data. The only time the deficits were under a trillion dollars for Obama was due to sequester and then the GOP Controlled Congress. What on earth is wrong with you people? Facts are available at

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

On the contrary, Obama only had to borrow because Bush left him with a big economic crisis and he never got enough stimulus.
 

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OMG, how can so many people be so easily indoctrinated by the radical left that you buy what you are told and ignore the official data. The only time the deficits were under a trillion dollars for Obama was due to sequester and then the GOP Controlled Congress. What on earth is wrong with you people? Facts are available at

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_Pay-As-You-Go_Act_of_2010
The Act was introduced in the House of Representatives on June 17, 2009, by Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Maryland) and has been cosponsored by 169 of the 257 House Democrats.[1]

The Act had initially passed the House of Representatives 265–166 as a standalone bill in July 2009, then was attached in the Senate to legislation raising the debt limit to $14.3 trillion. A majority of 241 Democrats supported the bill while a majority of 153 Republicans opposed it.

Republican concern about the deficit is all for show and only when the Democrats are in the White House. They've already blown up the deficit with their tax cuts and increased spending. Now Trump is icing this economic cake disaster with his tariffs.
 

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Clinton inherited Bush I trajectories that he had turned around by the end of his administration, if you're borrowing half a trillion dollars a year to begin with sure you're going to rack up 1.4 before you get it turned around.

People were the same way with Obama, because the economy hasn't fully recovered in a few months he's the bad guy.

You people better start thinking.



On the contrary, Obama only had to borrow because Bush left him with a big economic crisis and he never got enough stimulus.

I have no idea where you get your information but you really aren't worth the effort. You are wrong on all counts, Clinton had a GOP Congress that reduced his spending requests and he still added 1.4 trillion to the debt, Obama inherited a 10.6 trillion dollar debt, NO APPROVED budget and added 9.3 trillion to it, that is reality, live with it and stop embarrassing yourself
 
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