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Trump Appears To Surrender To Coronavirus Spread, Embraces Deadlier 'Herd' Strategy | MSNBC

It's about time ! Virus gotta' Virus; let it run it's course while we learn solid techniques for
lessening it's severity..
Let's get on with our lives .

This is the counsel of cowardice.
 
This is the counsel of cowardice.

Not really. A properly formed risk analysis will clearly detail the answer of whether one should be concerned of dying from Covid-19. Once that equation has been solved, more sound decisions can be made
 
It's about time ! Virus gotta' Virus; let it run it's course while we learn solid techniques for
lessening it's severity..
Let's get on with our lives .

What's a million lives lost? ..... we have just need to suck it up.

Of course, there is no real assurance herd immunity works AND we have spent a fortune manufacturing three vaccines. Changing course seems not only deadly, but costly (and certainly an acknowledgment of poor leadership)

Wow. If this is making America Great Again ..... well, I liked it as it was before when we really embraced our Judeo-Christain values, including believing life was more valuable than property.
 
Dr. Fauci dismissed herd immunity for COVID-19, said US tactic should be to prevent as many infections as possible

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9/3/20
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said he disagreed with a proposed White House tactic to push for herd immunity as a response to the coronavirus. "We're not there yet," Fauci told MSNBC. "That's not a fundamental strategy that we're using." "The fundamental strategy that we clearly articulate and go by through the [White House coronavirus] task force is to try to prevent as many infections as you possibly can prevent," he added. His remarks come after The Washington Post reported Dr. Scott Atlas, President Donald Trump's new health adviser, had begun urging Trump's administration to embrace herd immunity as a way to stop the ongoing coronavirus outbreak in the US. Atlas is a physician and does not have expertise in infectious diseases or epidemiology, the Post reported. the herd immunity strategy would allow a majority of residents to become infected with the coronavirus so that there could be widespread resistance to COVID-19. The most likely way to reach herd immunity is through mass vaccination, but experts have said that without a vaccine, the herd immunity approach would mean far more deaths and illness than what the US has already gone through.

Herd immunity for the coronavirus would need to be somewhere between 50 to 70% of the US population having resistance to the virus, which means about 165 million to 230 million people would need to be infected and develop immunity. With the death rate of about 1%, McFall-Johnsen reported it means 2.3 million people could die under a herd immunity approach. Experts including Fauci have said this process would cause unnecessary deaths. "This is simply wrong," Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at the Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, said on Twitter on Monday in response to the Post report. "Herd immunity is not a strategy or a solution. It is surrender to a preventable virus."

No thanks.
 
This is the counsel of cowardice.


Then if you enjoy counceling cowardice, so be it if it keeps you happy.
people often find more happiness when they stop living in fear..
good luck to ya'
 
It's about time ! Virus gotta' Virus; let it run it's course while we learn solid techniques for
lessening it's severity..
Let's get on with our lives .

That's true....kind of. We don't even know yet that you become immune to it. Other coronaviruses cause the common cold, but most of us manage to catch it every year - even though we've had it before.

This is why the "herd immunity" idea is misguided. First of all, we won't get that for years. Secondly, we may never get there at all. So we may have to learn to live with it. It might be one of those things that keeps coming up. So get used to wearing a mask. You're going to need it.
 
Then if you enjoy counceling cowardice, so be it if it keeps you happy.
people often find more happiness when they stop living in fear..
good luck to ya'

Next time remind me to use smaller words with you.
 
Not really. A properly formed risk analysis will clearly detail the answer of whether one should be concerned of dying from Covid-19. Once that equation has been solved, more sound decisions can be made

Yeah, we solved smallpox by just ignoring it, right?
 
What's a million lives lost? ..... we have just need to suck it up.

Of course, there is no real assurance herd immunity works AND we have spent a fortune manufacturing three vaccines. Changing course seems not only deadly, but costly (and certainly an acknowledgment of poor leadership)

Wow. If this is making America Great Again ..... well, I liked it as it was before when we really embraced our Judeo-Christain values, including believing life was more valuable than property.

Trump never had a strategy except deny, deny, deny and glow on to whatever silver bullet comes along. Whatever strategy someone comes up with that isn't inconvenient, he adopts.
 
What's a million lives lost? ..... we have just need to suck it up.

Of course, there is no real assurance herd immunity works AND we have spent a fortune manufacturing three vaccines. Changing course seems not only deadly, but costly (and certainly an acknowledgment of poor leadership)

Wow. If this is making America Great Again ..... well, I liked it as it was before when we really embraced our Judeo-Christain values, including believing life was more valuable than property.

There's no assurance a vaccine will be effective.... but that doesn't stop development..
A million lives ? latest CDC reports.. remember them? .. recently stated less than 7000 deaths can be directly and singularly attributed to the chinese virus...
Let mother nature do what mother nature does... we'll find a way to ease it's severity in time.
Choose to Not live in fear...
 
Yeah, we solved smallpox by just ignoring it, right?

We believe it's gone, at least for now. After a believed 12,000 year existence.
that woulda' been a helluva PPE concession !
 
We have no leader.



Vote his corrupt ass out of DC.
 
There's no assurance a vaccine will be effective.... but that doesn't stop development..
A million lives ? latest CDC reports.. remember them? .. recently stated less than 7000 deaths can be directly and singularly attributed to the chinese virus...
Let mother nature do what mother nature does... we'll find a way to ease it's severity in time.
Choose to Not live in fear...

Wow, you do love acccepting the inaccurate description of what the CDC said. That is horrible of you.
 
Wow, you do love acccepting the inaccurate description of what the CDC said. That is horrible of you.

They are/were the accepted medical authority when stating what some wanted to hear. Why the change ? Who are among the science deniers now?
 
Trump Appears To Surrender To Coronavirus Spread, Embraces Deadlier 'Herd' Strategy | MSNBC - YouTube

Radiologist Dr. Atlas espouses herd immunity. Government no longer will try to halt covid-19.

This guy was on Fox so-called News & now is in the WH. He has no experience in infectious dseases.

It's time we call the advocacy for "herd immunity" from the coronavirus before we get a vaccine what it really is. Consider this:

The fatality rate of COVID-19 has varied over time but has consistently remained above 1%.

The coronavirus' R0 has been estimated to be somewhere between 2 to 4. Then herd immunity requires at least 50% of people to get the virus.

This means that "herd immunity" advocates are calling for AT LEAST 320,000,000 Americans x 1% x 50% = 1.6 million Americans to die, not including the many millions more who would suffer catastrophic symptoms.

These people--and I use that term loosely--are literally calling for genocide.
 
There's no assurance a vaccine will be effective.... but that doesn't stop development..
A million lives ? latest CDC reports.. remember them? .. recently stated less than 7000 deaths can be directly and singularly attributed to the chinese virus...
Let mother nature do what mother nature does... we'll find a way to ease it's severity in time.
Choose to Not live in fear...

2.5 million lost lives according to this estimate: Coronavirus Today: The costs of herd immunity - Los Angeles Times

...another 230,000 in this one (and declaration of it as a very bad idea): Is herd immunity the answer to the COVID-19 problem? | UCHealth Today

'''The death toll would be enormous,''' Fauci says of herd immunity to coronavirus in the U.S.

For this so-called, shot in the dark herd immunity, you need 60% of the population infected. At a 1% death rate, that is over 2,000,000.

Its a very bad idea. I do live in fear of people that do not follow the science and shoot from the hip, their ideas tend to be very bad. If Trump thinks this is a good idea, let him lead. He can be the first one infected in our herd immunity drive.
 
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