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Trump announces commission to further 'patriotic education'

Jack Hays said:
The great lie is the claim that slavery was the central motive of the founding of the U.S. In support of that lie the 1619 project relies on numerous falsehoods. As Wilentz writes:

". . . The specific criticisms of the 1619 Project that my colleagues and I raised in our letter, and the dispute that has ensued, are not about historical trajectories or the intractability of racism or anything other than the facts—the errors contained in the 1619 Project as well as, now, the errors in Silverstein’s response to our letter. We wholeheartedly support the stated goal to educate widely on slavery and its long-term consequences. Our letter attempted to advance that goal, one that, no matter how the history is interpreted and related, cannot be forwarded through falsehoods, distortions, and significant omissions. Allowing these shortcomings to stand uncorrected would only make it easier for critics hostile to the overarching mission to malign it for their own ideological and partisan purposes, as some had already begun to do well before we wrote our letter. . . ."
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they don't say that it was the reason, it was one of the reasons for the Revolution...that is no lie.
 
Jack Hays said:
And more.

Historians Slam NYT’s 1619 Project as 'Biased,' 'Anti-Historical'
John Sexton, Hot Air

. . . Finally, just this week the site published an interview with Gordon Wood, professor emeritus at Brown University. Wood is author of a Pulitzer Prize winning book on the Revolutionary War. Like the others, he was not contacted by the NY Times for the 1619 Project and doesn’t know any of his fellow expert historians who were either. Wood tells the WSWS, “I was surprised, as many other people were, by the scope of this thing, especially since it’s going to become the basis for high school education and has the authority of the New York Times behind it, and yet it is so wrong in so many ways.”
The entire interview is worth reading but some of the highlights are contained in the video clip below. The conclusion of any one of these scholars would be a problem for the NY Times’ 1619 Project, but the fact that all three of them see it as fundamentally wrong, anti-historical, and lacking perspective ought to lead schools around the country to reconsider its value.
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three historians that were countered by other historians that refused to sign their letter
 
Both the British and the colonists believed that slaves could serve an important role during the revolution. In April 1775, Lord Dunmore (1732-1809), the royal governor of Virginia, threatened that he would proclaim liberty to the slaves and reduce Williamsburg to ashes if the colonists resorted to force against British authority. In November, he promised freedom to all slaves belonging to rebels who would join "His Majesty's Troops...for the more speedily reducing the Colony to a proper sense of their duty...." Some eight hundred slaves joined British forces, some wearing the emblem "Liberty to the Slaves." The British appeal to slave unrest outraged slave holders not only in the South but in New York's Hudson Valley. Later, Sir Henry Clinton (1738-1795) promised protection to all slaves who deserted from the rebels. Clinton's promise may well have contributed to the collapse of the British cause in the South. By suggesting that the Revolution was a war over slavery, he alienated many neutrals and even some loyalists.

Meanwhile, an American diplomat, Silas Deane (1737-1789), hatched a secret plan to incite slave insurrections in Jamaica. Two South Carolinians, John Laurens (1754-1782) and his father Henry (1724-1792), persuaded Congress to unanimously approve a plan to recruit an army of 3000 slave troops in South Carolina and Georgia. The federal government would compensate the slaves' owners and each black would, at the end of the war, be emancipated and receive $50. The South Carolina legislature rejected the plan, scuttling the proposal. In the end, however, and in contrast to the later Latin American wars of independence and the U.S. Civil War, neither the British nor the Americans proved willing to risk a full-scale social revolution by issuing an emancipation proclamation.

for those that want to ignore history or pay attention to the white washed version..

Digital History

www.digitalhistory.uh.edu


So, you can be ignorant of our history or learn it so that it is never repeated.
 
ah Jack, why did you run so soon...do you still want to keep your head in the sand and believe that Plymouth Rock was all whites and no black and that only white people were here? Do you want to try to deny that black people were here before the first English fool sat foot on this land? Do you really want to deny the nonsense that was argued by the founders over slavery?
 
SheWolf said:
You seriously think that creating a funding crisis in these cities will help its citizens? This is cutting off the noses of others to spite their face, and it’s a brilliant way of creating division and pissing a lot of innocent people off. Trump isn’t a real leader for even offering a solution like this.
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The citizens can throw out the irresponsible leaders who created the mess.
 
ClaraD said:
which has zero to do with our history. Again, your sheltered world, because if you fail to address and admit all of our history you are running from it.
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There is a great deal of history in a country of almost 250 years. This project appears to be focusing on a very, very narrow part and that small sliver appears to be one dimensional.
ClaraD said:
ah Jack, why did you run so soon...do you still want to keep your head in the sand and believe that Plymouth Rock was all whites and no black and that only white people were here? Do you want to try to deny that black people were here before the first English fool sat foot on this land? Do you really want to deny the nonsense that was argued by the founders over slavery?
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How many Blacks arrived at Plymouth Rock?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
There is a great deal of history in a country of almost 250 years. This project appears to be focusing on a very, very narrow part and that small sliver appears to be one dimensional.
How many Blacks arrived at Plymouth Rock?
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blacks were in the Americas before the first Englishman set foot here. I am sorry that you cannot fathom that, but it is quite true. The very first documented black person to set foot in the Americas was Juan Garrido. He was in the company of Ponce De Leon in the search of the Fountain of Youth in 1513..that occurred around St Augustine, Florida.

www.capecodtimes.com

Black Pilgrims key to Plymouth’s success

From 1623 to 1640, Colonists of black ancestry arrived in Plymouth Colony. How they came to Plymouth is still a mystery. Some clacks may have come from Virginia or from English colonies in the Caribb…
www.capecodtimes.com
 
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ClaraD said:
blacks were in the Americas before the first Englishman set foot here. I am sorry that you cannot fathom that, but it is quite true.

www.capecodtimes.com

Black Pilgrims key to Plymouth’s success

From 1623 to 1640, Colonists of black ancestry arrived in Plymouth Colony. How they came to Plymouth is still a mystery. Some clacks may have come from Virginia or from English colonies in the Caribb…
www.capecodtimes.com
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"In the Americas"? That's quite different than the America being taught in the Project, No?
As well you said, " do you still want to keep your head in the sand and believe that Plymouth Rock was all whites and no black and that only white people were here? Do you want to try to deny that black people were here before the first English fool sat foot on this land? Do you really want to deny the nonsense that was argued by the founders over slavery?"

So were you really discussing "the Americas" here or Plymouth Rock?

There may have been one Black man aboard the Mayflower. https://www.nytimes.com/1981/08/20/...-says-a-black-settled-at-pilgrims-colony.html
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
"In the Americas"? That's quite different than the America being taught in the Project, No?
As well you said, " do you still want to keep your head in the sand and believe that Plymouth Rock was all whites and no black and that only white people were here? Do you want to try to deny that black people were here before the first English fool sat foot on this land? Do you really want to deny the nonsense that was argued by the founders over slavery?"

So were you really discussing "the Americas" here or Plymouth Rock?

There may have been one Black man aboard the Mayflower. https://www.nytimes.com/1981/08/20/...-says-a-black-settled-at-pilgrims-colony.html
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um, is Florida not part of the US?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You were in Plymouth Rock. the Americas, and have now moved to Florida. Do you recall the point you were once trying to make?
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again, I said they were here BEFORE Plymouth Rock...guess what that means...what I just pointed out to you is that they were here before those pilgrims you tout as being the first to arrive....
 
ClaraD said:
again, I said they were here BEFORE Plymouth Rock...guess what that means...what I just pointed out to you is that they were here before those pilgrims you tout as being the first to arrive....
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Which Blacks in Florida are you referring to and what were there origins?
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Guess I missed it.

So the first Blacks arrived with the Spanish around 1513, which pretty much destroys the 1619 project. https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/20...-spanish-colonial-florida-and-america-column/
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nope, it actually doesn't. The issue is our history does not recognize when blacks came or their contributions to this country. If you look back at history books you see depictions of only white men in the Revolution, which is far from the truth. The omission is a lie is a lie is a lie.
 
ClaraD said:
nope, it actually doesn't. The issue is our history does not recognize when blacks came or their contributions to this country. If you look back at history books you see depictions of only white men in the Revolution, which is far from the truth. The omission is a lie is a lie is a lie.
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We've already shown that Black slaves were in America at least 100 years before 1619 and there is historical records of Black heroes during the Revolution with one even appearing on a postage stamp. So the 1619 project is just foolish propaganda and historical revisionism. https://www.history.com/news/black-heroes-american-revolution

www.historyisfun.org

African Americans and the American Revolution | JYF Museums

Essay explores African American contributions during the American Revolution.
www.historyisfun.org www.historyisfun.org
 
Deuce said:
Weak trolling. 2/10.
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“Cancel culture” is a right wing meme. Outside of the right wing blogs, right wing talk radio and Fox, nobody talks about it. It’s a rhetorical play to white resentment. Nothing more. Another meme. Shorthand that can easily be repeated to folks who will bob their bobble heads.

Indeed, this whole fake Trump Commission is designed specifically to play to white resentment, recycling the ancient “kids are brainwashed in school” trope. A trope that has been around at least since I was in elementary school.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
We've already shown that Black slaves were in America at least 100 years before 1619 and there is historical records of Black heroes during the Revolution with one even appearing on a postage stamp. So the 1619 project is just foolish propaganda and historical revisionism. https://www.history.com/news/black-heroes-american-revolution

www.historyisfun.org

African Americans and the American Revolution | JYF Museums

Essay explores African American contributions during the American Revolution.
www.historyisfun.org www.historyisfun.org
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A few isolated examples don't cancel out the centuries of the atrocities of slavery; whipping, lynching, rape...
 
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