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Trump announces commission to further 'patriotic education'

Their argument that the American Revolution was fundamentally about preserving slavery for one.

That’s not exactly what it says. 1619 says preserving slavery was an important reason for some people because of growing anti slavery sentiment in Britain. Perhaps that’s true, perhaps not, but it’s pretty easy to believe that would be a factor for many in the South given that we were subject to British rule.

The initial 1619 project is made up of 100 pages consisting of 10 essays, so true to form conservatives pick out one controversial sentence and claim hat the whole project is bad.


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Its been discredited by scholars. It views history through the prism of the critical race theory model - which is a theory cooked up by racist sociologists. So, its discredited BS based on Marxist racist moonbattery of the highest order.

The creator of the 1619 project spends her time on twitter backpedaling and telling people what she *really* meant and having her own statements used to refute her backpedaling.

I am going to challenge you as well, what is false or screwy about what is in 1619 project?
 
President Trump on Thursday described America’s heritage and history as under assault from the left, decrying anti-racism teachings and "cancel culture" while announcing plans for a new commission to promote "patriotic education" in U.S. schools.
In a speech delivered in somber tones at the National Archives Museum, Trump painted a dramatic and dark portrait of an effort by liberals to “indoctrinate” America’s children and repress American values, culture and faith.



Trump announces commission to further '''patriotic education'''


This is disturbing on multiple levels.
Ironic that he is decrying cancel culture while trying to cancel our existing method of studying history
 
It's disturbing to teach kids that The United States is a great country?
I passed the citizenship test and I did learn that America is a great country, and it is. We are not taught the opposite in American schools or study groups. What you really want is to control the study of history and turn the classroom into state propaganda
 
Its been discredited by scholars. It views history through the prism of the critical race theory model - which is a theory cooked up by racist sociologists. So, its discredited BS based on Marxist racist moonbattery of the highest order.

The creator of the 1619 project spends her time on twitter backpedaling and telling people what she *really* meant and having her own statements used to refute her backpedaling.
a small group of scholars does not equal discrediting...there were even more who declined to sign on to that letter...so what was it 4 people who signed it? What about other scholars that agree with 1619 project?
 
Marxist sociologists. Collectively known as .... sociologists.

a small group of scholars does not equal discrediting...there were even more who declined to sign on to that letter...so what was it 4 people who signed it? What about other scholars that agree with 1619 project?
 
Kudos to President Trump on his efforts to stop cancel culture and all the other craziness that has gripped this nation since the Dems retook the House.

Sadly, the commission will barely have three months of life.

It is clear that the Dems will win the Executive & Legislative branches, for the leftist media have successfully indoctrinated many Americans into believing that they are bigots if they fail to support the Dem agenda.

Starting in 2021 under the Harris-Biden administration, we may have to kneel at the beginning of each work day, and libraries may be cleared of any books that do not meet the approval of BLM, the DNC, & MSNBC. Needless to say, we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Internet censorship.

Don’t threaten me with a good time!
 
That’s not exactly what it says. 1619 says preserving slavery was an important reason for some people because of growing anti slavery sentiment in Britain. Perhaps that’s true, perhaps not, but it’s pretty easy to believe that would be a factor for many in the South given that we were subject to British rule.

The initial 1619 project is made up of 100 pages consisting of 10 essays, so true to form conservatives pick out one controversial sentence and claim hat the whole project is bad.


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They give far more emphasis to Lord Dunmore’s Proclamation than they should, especially since Britain would be making(and breaking) similar promises of freedom for the next two hundred years or so(for example, their double dealing over Palestine/Israel). Futhermore, given the success that the British had recruiting loyalist troops(with the idea being that they would be able to eventually secure control of their own local communities and therefore expand British dominance over a wider area) in the south, it seems rather doubtful that supposed British promises of ending slavery was really considered that much of a factor.
 
It was one of the elements....was it the primary factor? No, but it was nonetheless central in some of their fears of the crown



Question, has it ever occurred to you that when we talk about the Revolutionary War there is very little mention of the blacks that served during that war on either side? Do you know their names? Where they came from? Who their families are? What contributions they made? No, you don't...the only thing you hear about is Washington and Jefferson and white founders...hmmm, seems our story of half truth is more of a lie than the truth...why not tell it all instead of part of it?

Except it really wasn’t a major factor, no matter what the 1619 project pretends. The idea that the Revolution was fought “to save slavery” simply doesn’t have any basis in fact.

We don’t know a lot about them because, given the time period, there simply weren’t a lot of them actually involved in the fighting, and in many cases we don‘t know a whole lot about them that can actually be historically confirmed. That’s just the facts. And you always hear more about the leaders in any war than the common soldiers. How many Roman legionaries can you personally name? How many of Napoleon‘s enlisted troops? How many of the Kaiser’s infantrymen? The idea that it’s a “half truth“ because we hear more about the leaders of the Revolution is silly.
 
Except it really wasn’t a major factor, no matter what the 1619 project pretends. The idea that the Revolution was fought “to save slavery” simply doesn’t have any basis in fact.
The worst part is, the 1619 writers knew this. They knew it had no basis in fact. They were told so by the very fact-checker professional historians they consulted on the project, and still included it despite knowing it was bullcrap.
 
This country was founded on the premise of stolen land and labor. This shouldn’t be controversial in 2020.
 
Except it really wasn’t a major factor, no matter what the 1619 project pretends. The idea that the Revolution was fought “to save slavery” simply doesn’t have any basis in fact.

We don’t know a lot about them because, given the time period, there simply weren’t a lot of them actually involved in the fighting, and in many cases we don‘t know a whole lot about them that can actually be historically confirmed. That’s just the facts. And you always hear more about the leaders in any war than the common soldiers. How many Roman legionaries can you personally name? How many of Napoleon‘s enlisted troops? How many of the Kaiser’s infantrymen? The idea that it’s a “half truth“ because we hear more about the leaders of the Revolution is silly.

But it was a factor.

And not many people learned that before 1619 came along.

And thats the point.
 
But it was a factor.

And not many people learned that before 1619 came along.

And thats the point.

It was as much a “factor” as the British granting rights to Catholics in Quebec was.

Trying to pretend that it was the main cause—or even a major cause—simply is historically inaccurate.

There’s no other way to put it.
 
Kudos to President Trump on his efforts to stop cancel culture and all the other craziness that has gripped this nation since the Dems retook the House.

Sadly, the commission will barely have three months of life.

It is clear that the Dems will win the Executive & Legislative branches, for the leftist media have successfully indoctrinated many Americans into believing that they are bigots if they fail to support the Dem agenda.

Starting in 2021 under the Harris-Biden administration, we may have to kneel at the beginning of each work day, and libraries may be cleared of any books that do not meet the approval of BLM, the DNC, & MSNBC. Needless to say, we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Internet censorship.

I’m not sure if this is empty Trumpism, or whether folks are really naive enough to believe this BS.

There will be no national commission to determine what history Trump and his right wing talk radio minions think should be imposed on the nation’s schools.

Currently, there are NO guidelines whatsoever from the Federal government regarding social studies or history. School systems are free to do as they please.

Did Trump name any members to this fictional commission?

He has 43 days to for it, for it to meet, and to generate a final report (which is what commissions do).

This is going to go the way of every one of Trump’s other “commissions”. It’s never going to exist.

You’ve already seen and bought the product Trump was selling.

Just another day of outrage stoking for the Fox noise audience.

It will be forgotten by Tuesday.

Nothing will happen. Trumpsters won’t even notice.
 
A few weeks ago, Joe Biden lamented the sorry state of American education. Why, he exclaimed in shock, Americans actually think Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb.

Over the summer, we all saw the absolute ignorance and lack of education of the young rioters and protesters, young millennials and old Gen Z types, as they tore down and defaced statues nationwide. The icing on the cake on their desperate need for an education was the recent survey that these Americans generally don't know what the Holocaust is.

Given a choice between the "patriotic" education of Mr. Trump, or the mumblings from Biden about alleged wrongs done to Lewis Howard Lattimer, its clear the country would be better served by the former and not the latter.

Absolute ignorance and lack of education is rampat amongst the Trump crowd. Trump himself could not pass a sixth grade civics test, much less the written portion of the American citizenship test.
 
President Trump on Thursday described America’s heritage and history as under assault from the left, decrying anti-racism teachings and "cancel culture" while announcing plans for a new commission to promote "patriotic education" in U.S. schools.
In a speech delivered in somber tones at the National Archives Museum, Trump painted a dramatic and dark portrait of an effort by liberals to “indoctrinate” America’s children and repress American values, culture and faith.



Trump announces commission to further '''patriotic education'''


This is disturbing on multiple levels.


Can only be advisory as only the states can write ed program content. Trump can always threaten to withhold funds, but doubt He could get away with actually doing so.
 
A few weeks ago, Joe Biden lamented the sorry state of American education. Why, he exclaimed in shock, Americans actually think Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb.

Over the summer, we all saw the absolute ignorance and lack of education of the young rioters and protesters, young millennials and old Gen Z types, as they tore down and defaced statues nationwide. The icing on the cake on their desperate need for an education was the recent survey that these Americans generally don't know what the Holocaust is.

Given a choice between the "patriotic" education of Mr. Trump, or the mumblings from Biden about alleged wrongs done to Lewis Howard Lattimer, its clear the country would be better served by the former and not the latter.


Is it?

Trump went to school, but obviously didn’t get much of an education. Many in his base has that in common with him.

Thomas Edison demonstrated the first incandescent light bulb with a filament that would last long enough to be practical. He wasn’t the only one working on it. So was Alexander Graham Bell, Hiram Maxim, George Brush, Latimer, and several others. A light bulb with similar performance to Edison’s was demonstated in England at almost the same time.

Edison invented the delivery system and the layout of circuits.

Edison also had the advantage of a brand name and strong financial banking from J.P. Morgan.

So, you can have the comic book history folks half paid attention to in high school, or the real thing.
 
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The problem is that liberals have a screwy, false idea of the history and values of the Republic. The federal govenment should be out of the business of determining educational content for this very reason.
That sounds like a screwy false idea of history and values of humanty to me.
 
Can only be advisory as only the states can write ed program content. Trump can always threaten to withhold funds, but doubt He could get away with actually doing so.

who will hold him accountable? Obviously not his supporters, the republican senate or his personal attorney Barr. Trump has a free pass to do whatever the hell he wants to and that makes him dangerous and the biggest security threat to this nation. Any terrorist in the world is a less threat to the United States than trump or his supporters.
 
It was as much a “factor” as the British granting rights to Catholics in Quebec was.

Trying to pretend that it was the main cause—or even a major cause—simply is historically inaccurate.

There’s no other way to put it.

But it was a factor.

It’s not unreasonable to point that out and explore that angle of history, and that’s what 1619 did.

It’s all a small piece of that project, too. The main theme was not the American Revolution.
 
The Trump administration isn't going to go through with this because if they do then Trump's thuggish, authoritarian, fascist followers will end up learning about the Declaration of Independence and the Enlightenment-era classical liberal ideas embodied in the document, which are inherently anti-fascist.
That's a lovely sentiment, but you assume that they would actually read and understand the Declaration of Independence if given the opportunity. It's more likely that they'd simply continue to pretend they know what it says, just like with the constitution.:p
 
A great country acknowledges both it’s successes and failures. That is America. Countries like China and Russia hide their failures from the public which is what you are advocating.


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The 1619 project only talks of failure and how The United States is "rooted in racism".
I passed the citizenship test and I did learn that America is a great country, and it is. We are not taught the opposite in American schools or study groups. What you really want is to control the study of history and turn the classroom into state propaganda

You make a good argument for abolising the department of education.
 
The 1619 project only talks of failure and how The United States is "rooted in racism".


You make a good argument for abolising the department of education.
And you’re making an argument against Trump’s patriotic education initiative
 
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