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Trump announces commission to further 'patriotic education'

“One flag, one land, one heart, one hand, One Nation evermore!"

Oliver Wendell Holmes
 
mrdeltoid said:
I've been saying for a long time that handing over the educational system over to the leftists in the country was our biggest mistake. Now they treat white kids, especially white little boys, like they need to apologize for being white. Here's an example:

" Black Lives Matter propaganda is an officially endorsed part of the curriculum for children in one Pennsylvania school district. The Washington Free Beacon revealed that “Gladwyne Elementary School — located in Lower Merion School District, one of the richest in the nation — will require fourth and fifth graders to read ‘Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness,’ which claims that white people who relate to police officers or decline to watch the news are complicit in racism.”
http://newshourfirst.com/2020/08/16...tching-the-news-is-a-form-of-white-supremacy/
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Ignoring something that exists, should not be encouraged. I'm pretty sure that you believe that black children face the exact same difficulties in life as white children. And actually, it's poor children. Color doesn't matter as much as class.
 
trblmkr said:
Ignoring something that exists, should not be encouraged. I'm pretty sure that you believe that black children face the exact same difficulties in life as white children. And actually, it's poor children. Color doesn't matter as much as class.
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Great truth here.
 
trblmkr said:
Ignoring something that exists, should not be encouraged. I'm pretty sure that you believe that black children face the exact same difficulties in life as white children. And actually, it's poor children. Color doesn't matter as much as class.
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Easy for a white person to say.
 
To quote Carr quoting Housman is a double win.

“I am reminded of Housman's remark that 'accuracy is a duty, not a virtue.' To praise a historian for his accuracy is like praising an architect for using well-seasoned timber or properly mixed concrete in his building. It is a necessary condition of his work, but not his essential function.”
― Edward Hallett Carr, What Is History?
 
Paradoxical said:
Long overdue. Get rid of teachers unions while we are at it


Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play Joseph Goebbels

Goebbels was an avowed socialist responsible for killing 6 million Jews and hated capitalism
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That's exactly what the Trump government wants to do -- have free reign to produce and disseminate it's own propaganda and get rid of teachers unions that might object. You literally want a fascist totalitarian in power.

Oh, and Goebbels wasn't a socialist. He was a Nazi fascist.
 
Threegoofs said:
Under Trumps direction?

Yes, but using smaller words
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I will wait to see what the curriculum changes would be before I start freaking out about it...
 
From approx. 1830 to 1950 almost all immigrants were people from Europe. All were white. Almost all were Christian.
After each wave of immigration, there were long periods little or no immigration
that gave America time to assimilate the newcomers. And before they were fully assimilated,
their children and grandchildren passed through deeply patriotic pubic and parochial schools
where they were immersed in the language, literature, history and traditions of this unique people.
This successful policy created the greatest economic & military power on earth when the USA
overtook Britain around the time of Wilson's presidency.

Today, however those schools have been converted into madrassa of modernity, where it is forbidden
to invoke the faith of our fathers and American history is often taught as a series of crimes against people of color.
Trump is correct, the fortunes of this country for 4 decades have tended downwards, & the radical change in
in the way children are educated has to share the blame.
 
Rexedgar said:
President Trump on Thursday described America’s heritage and history as under assault from the left, decrying anti-racism teachings and "cancel culture" while announcing plans for a new commission to promote "patriotic education" in U.S. schools.



Trump announces commission to further '''patriotic education'''


This is disturbing on multiple levels.
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Pure fascism.

Fascism Scholar Says U.S. Is 'Losing Its Democratic Status'

James DoubekSeptember 6, 2020 7:50 PM ET

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Historians have noted similarities between Donald Trump and Mussolini since before the 2016 election. Some of the racial justice protesters this summer have said they are fighting fascism in the form of President Trump. And the presence of antifa — anti-fascist — protesters at some demonstrations has upped attention to the word.

But what is and isn't fascist isn't even agreed upon by scholars.

Jason Stanley, a professor of philosophy at Yale University, offers one perspective on the word. He defines fascism as "a cult of the leader who promises national restoration in the face of humiliation brought on by supposed communists, Marxists and minorities and immigrants who are supposedly posing a threat to the character and the history of a nation."

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/06/91032...ocratic-status
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Bodhisattva said:
I will wait to see what the curriculum changes would be before I start freaking out about it...
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Me too.

But expressing extreme skepticism about Trump shepherding some rational and objective curriculum initiative?

I think I’ll do that.
 
MTAtech said:
That's exactly what the Trump government wants to do -- have free reign to produce and disseminate it's own propaganda and get rid of teachers unions that might object. You literally want a fascist totalitarian in power.

Oh, and Goebbels wasn't a socialist. He was a Nazi fascist.
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How is having various private schools across America teach our impressionable youth propaganda? How would any president control that?


Oh WAIT!! They insist on the socialist public school system we have in place where over 80% of the teachers vote left.
 
Paradoxical said:
How is having various private schools across America teach our impressionable youth propaganda? How would any president control that?


Oh WAIT!! They insist on the socialist public school system we have in place where over 80% of the teachers vote left.
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There are people who are pulling their children out of public schools because those schools are, according to them, "indoctrinating" the students about such things as diversity, racism, justice, equity and privilege. Clearly, according to these people, students shouldn't be aware of these things. As a response, they pull them out of public schools and enroll them in private schools that don't teach such "progressive ideology." It's no different than religious people who send their children to religious schools because they want their children to know that the world is 5,000 years old and not billions of years old, as scientists tell us.
 
Paradoxical said:
How is having various private schools across America teach our impressionable youth propaganda? How would any president control that?


Oh WAIT!! They insist on the socialist public school system we have in place where over 80% of the teachers vote left.
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North korea has an extensive program of patriotic education
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
So you feel it's the 'right wing' who is blocking Conservative speakers at universities as well as not hiring Conservative professors or teachers, and firing or isolating those who don't follow left wing doctrine? You really are unaware of the damage done by the fascists at Berkeley and other educational venues? That's remarkable.
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That you don't appear to understand the difference between fascism and "left wing doctrine" (whatever you think that actually is), is disturbing.
 
MTAtech said:
That's exactly what the Trump government wants to do -- have free reign to produce and disseminate it's own propaganda and get rid of teachers unions that might object. You literally want a fascist totalitarian in power.

Oh, and Goebbels wasn't a socialist. He was a Nazi fascist.
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He is confused by the inclusion of the word 'socialist' in NSDAP. Don't bother trying to explain; he refuses to get it.
 
MTAtech said:
There are people who are pulling their children out of public schools because those schools are, according to them, "indoctrinating" the students about such things as diversity, racism, justice, equity and privilege. Clearly, according to these people, students shouldn't be aware of these things. As a response, they pull them out of public schools and enroll them in private schools that don't teach such "progressive ideology." It's no different than religious people who send their children to religious schools because they want their children to know that the world is 5,000 years old and not billions of years old, as scientists tell us.
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IOW, you want indoctrination into YOUR belief system. That's what it is really all about teach the kids that white people are bad, we need free health care, we need Democrats, etc.

All depends on who is doing the indoctrinating and you would prefer it be CNN and the NY Times. A Pravda type gubment such as we have now where the schools control what students believe. like Mika said...."It's not Trump's job to tell people what to think. It's ours!"
 
snakestretcher said:
He is confused by the inclusion of the word 'socialist' in NSDAP. Don't bother trying to explain; he refuses to get it.
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Many ill-informed people willfully make that "mistake." They want the Nazis to be their polar opposite and don't want to hear that the Nazis were were fascists - which is right-wing by nature.
 
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