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Trump’s blunder in Syria is irreparable

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Trump’s blunder in Syria is irreparable | The New York Times


Turkey allied Islamist militia forces prepare to attack Manbij, where Trump removed the US blocking force.

The New York Times Editorial Board

UNTIL NOW, it was possible to hope that the damage caused by President Trump’s terrible incompetence, ignorance and impulsivity in foreign policy was largely theoretical, and possibly reparable. That is no longer true. The cost of his latest Syria blunder is unfolding before our eyes: Innocent lives lost. U.S. servicemen and -women betrayed. Butchering dictators emboldened. Dangerous terrorists set free. A ghastly scene is playing out, and it almost surely will get worse. How often have Mr. Trump and his Republican enablers in Congress berated President Barack Obama for allowing Syria to cross his “red line” without dire consequences? None of them is entitled ever to mention that again. Mr. Trump — with no consideration, no warning, no consultation with allies, no regard for the other nations that have fought alongside the United States and risked their men and women in the fight — has turned tail. In the past two years, courageous U.S. troops cooperated with our Kurdish allies to defeat the deadly Islamic State caliphate. These allies (the Kurds) lost more than 11,000 men and women killed; the United States, a dozen. It was a rare U.S. success in the Middle East. The president has thrown it all away. His surrender is so hasty that U.S. forces could not execute a long-standing plan to take dozens of high-profile Islamic State detainees with them; we can expect to hear from those terrorists before long, in the region, in Europe or in the United States.

The Islamic State is likely to exert its malign force again. The allies who fought alongside us are being slaughtered, and noncombatant women and children, too. Iran is strengthened, which threatens Israel. The murderous Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad is strengthened, too. Russia is taking charge. America’s adversaries could not have scripted a better outcome. Mr. Trump likes to preen and posture as a champion of American fighters. But what more bitter medicine could any commander in chief administer to U.S. troops than ordering them to abandon the comrades who fought alongside them? He likes to preen, too, as a great enemy of Iran, and even as he runs from Syria he is ordering 1,800 U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia, ostensibly to deter Iran. But that deployment, while proving the utter incoherence of his claim of “ending wars in the Middle East,” will have far less effect on Iran than the U.S. pullout from Syria, which opens the door for it to swell its influence there, on Israel’s border. And speaking of preening: Republican senators such as Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.) and Marco Rubio (Fla.), who have cheered and celebrated Mr. Trump and his national security team, now huff and puff about imposing sanctions on Turkey as punishment for its invasion. Mr. Trump said Monday that he now supports such sanctions. But only one week ago he greenlighted Turkey’s incursion, and on Sunday he further encouraged it with his announcement of a hasty U.S. withdrawal. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan bears responsibility for Turkey’s depredations, of course. But if there is any coherence — or morality — in Mr. Trump’s position, he is doing a good job of concealing it.
Says it far better than I ever could. The damage Trump has wrought is unprecedented and indeed irreparable.
 

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Says it far better than I ever could.


Yes, some people have a way with words...can spin much better than others. The NYT Editorial Board is one of them.
 

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Yes, some people have a way with words...can spin much better than others. The NYT Editorial Board is one of them.
Even Mitch knows this is a mistake.

Turkey Syria offensive: Mitch McConnell attacks Trump

"The combination of a US pullback and the escalating Turkish-Kurdish hostilities is creating a strategic nightmare for our country," he wrote. Even if the ceasefire held, the Turkish assault and US withdrawal had "set back" Washington's fight against the Islamic State (IS) group."
 

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Trump’s blunder in Syria is irreparable | The New York Times


Turkey allied Islamist militia forces prepare to attack Manbij, where Trump removed the US blocking force.



Says it far better than I ever could. The damage Trump has wrought is unprecedented and indeed irreparable.
Where is the rest of the world. Bring our children home and let the rest of the world send their children to be killed. We should never have participated in the unending war in the Middle East that has been raging for 5000+ years. If these people want to kill each other for eternity then so be it. We can celebrate Christmas and they can celebrate death to the infidels.
 

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Yes, some people have a way with words...can spin much better than others. The NYT Editorial Board is one of them.
Your posts would be only a bit more readable, were you to develop “a way with words”........
 

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Where is the rest of the world. Bring our children home and let the rest of the world send their children to be killed. We should never have participated in the unending war in the Middle East that has been raging for 5000+ years. If these people want to kill each other for eternity then so be it. We can celebrate Christmas and they can celebrate death to the infidels.
So send more troops to Saudi Arabia?
 

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Trump’s blunder in Syria is irreparable | The New York Times


Turkey allied Islamist militia forces prepare to attack Manbij, where Trump removed the US blocking force.



Says it far better than I ever could. The damage Trump has wrought is unprecedented and indeed irreparable.
There was no "blocking force". :lamo

FM3-90 Appendix B Tactical Mission Tasks

Barrier troops - Wikipedia

Now that the Left has turned into warhawks, y'all should really learn what this stuff means...lol
 

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Trump’s blunder in Syria is irreparable | The New York Times


Turkey allied Islamist militia forces prepare to attack Manbij, where Trump removed the US blocking force.



Says it far better than I ever could. The damage Trump has wrought is unprecedented and indeed irreparable.
I saw many of the same type editorials written about Obama, Do you think their may be a slight bias with the editorial group? Do you think their may be a little bit of sensationalism with this editorial? THe sky is falling, the sky is falling!!! Do we ever get tired of it?
 

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Yes, some people have a way with words...can spin much better than others. The NYT Editorial Board is one of them.
And you.

Damn you're good at it.

Or at least consistent in your management of the narratives you disseminate.
 

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And you.

Damn you're good at it.

Or at least consistent in your management of the narratives you disseminate.
Y'all weren't this concerned when Obama retreated from Iraq. Are you familiar with the Arab Spring?
 

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Should we send more troops to northern Syria?
Not anymore. Damage is already done (and will continue in a few days).
 

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There was no "blocking force". :lamo

FM3-90 Appendix B Tactical Mission Tasks

Barrier troops - Wikipedia

Now that the Left has turned into warhawks, y'all should really learn what this stuff means...lol
I guess you believe that turning your back on your friends when they need you is just okay. The time will come when we need friends and the world will now know to turn its back on us as we can not be trusted. It has nothing to do with war. In fact there was a fragile cease in that area after the Kurds ended the ISIS threat with a little of our support. It was something they did not need to do as they had no interest in that fight. They did it to support us as they expected us to then support them. Not with trump.
 

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Where is the rest of the world. Bring our children home and let the rest of the world send their children to be killed. We should never have participated in the unending war in the Middle East that has been raging for 5000+ years. If these people want to kill each other for eternity then so be it. We can celebrate Christmas and they can celebrate death to the infidels.
Oh spare us with the mawkish "children" crap. The "rest of the world" has been fighting in Syria since day one. The Kurds have lost over 10,000 dead in their fight against ISIS. America has lost a paltry five (5), lives. The UK, France, Jordan, Canada, Australia and others; all had military fighting with the Kurds.
 

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My question is there anything Trump can do or say that can turn this disaster around. I would like to hear from Trump supporter on what he can do in your opinion?
Nothing. The US troops are gone from northern Syria. Erdogan now has a free-hand to ethnically-cleanse our Kurdish allies.
 

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Nothing. The US troops are gone from northern Syria. Erdogan now has a free-hand to ethnically-cleanse our Kurdish allies.
And Trump will have their blood on his treacherous hands for the rest of his miserable, worthless days.

"I hope they all do great. We're 7000 miles away!" Donald J. Trump.
 
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Trump’s blunder in Syria is irreparable | The New York Times


Turkey allied Islamist militia forces prepare to attack Manbij, where Trump removed the US blocking force.



Says it far better than I ever could. The damage Trump has wrought is unprecedented and indeed irreparable.
and "all" those that still support Trump share the blame. One thing is ignorance (such as when he was elected) and the other is abetting his decisions after it has been shown the evil/selfish/incompetent man he is.

Our country is now likely irreparably split for decades as those who have abetted this lunatic, incompetent sociopath will never admit to their mistake.
 

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I guess you believe that turning your back on your friends when they need you is just okay. The time will come when we need friends and the world will now know to turn its back on us as we can not be trusted. It has nothing to do with war. In fact there was a fragile cease in that area after the Kurds ended the ISIS threat with a little of our support. It was something they did not need to do as they had no interest in that fight. They did it to support us as they expected us to then support them. Not with trump.
You didn't care when Obama retreared from Iraq. Why do you care, now?

The Kurds weren't supporting us. They were doing what was in their best interest.
 

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Then stop whining about it.
Whining about what? Trump getting rolled by a tin pot dictator twice in a few weeks, and Kurds dying because of it? No whining here, just pointing out how incompetent (and potentially corrupt) Trump is.
 

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You didn't care when Obama retreared from Iraq. Why do you care, now?

The Kurds weren't supporting us. They were doing what was in their best interest.
The Kurds were GUARDING your special forces and getting killed in the process. I'd say that was giving considerable support. Perhaps if you stopped listening to the ignorant goon in the White House you might actually learn something.

'Americans sold us out,' Kurds guarding US base in Syria say - CNN
 
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