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Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

No, sorry, but we haven't been out of the Middle East for several generations!

I was referring to the US withdrawal of Afghanistan (influence of course, in the post Soviet-era) to leave it to it's own devices. And where did that end up? Only with the rise of the Taliban that provided aid and comfort to Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to plan and orchestrate the 9/11 attacks from.

As I stated, withdrawal from an area where radicalism exists hasn't shown to be a successful strategy either.
 

Obama is willing to fling missiles, thats not the same as going in to fight and win. His drone strikes are because he dosent want to deal with the political fallout of imprisoning terrorists.

And while I recognize ISIS is worse than say Hamas, they all need to go.
 

Or, you might say that interference to begin with hasn't been successful.
 

As though you or anybody else can make them go, whatever that even means.
 
Or, you might say that interference to begin with hasn't been successful.

It was with Iraq. The problems we face today with Iraq stem from the sectarian divide in the country, and nothing to do with Bush. To demonstrate more clearly that point, understand that sectarian divide existed even under Saddam Hussein. The difference today though is that instead of having a ruthless dictator with a strong military in place to put down such insurrections, we now have a democracy in place that only serves to exacerbate those underlying sectarian issues. Of course, the fact that ISIS rolled in from the west didn't help either.


So nothing short of sending in regular american combat troops qualifies as "going in to fight and win" then?
 
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Radicalism made possible again by US policy.
 

Ok, Buddha, what part of this do you not understand. The government NIE of 2006 concluded that the Iraq war increased Islamic extremism and made America less safe. STOP.............pretending the Iraq war had any success.
 
Yes. American evil.

All evil should be opposed, but if you can't oppose it on your own doorstep, you haven't the legitimacy to be going about pointing it out elsewhere.
 
All evil should be opposed, but if you can't oppose it on your own doorstep, you haven't the legitimacy to be going about pointing it out elsewhere.
There is opposing evil on your own doorstep and there is crapping on your own doorstep. When you do the latter, you tend to step in it.
 
There is opposing evil on your own doorstep and there is crapping on your own doorstep. When you do the latter, you tend to step in it.

Yes, never point out the evil within, that makes one a traitor right.
 
Yes, never point out the evil within, that makes one a traitor right.
There is nothing traitorous about it. Its just that no one will take you seriously. But that's your problem.
 
There is nothing traitorous about it. Its just that no one will take you seriously. But that's your problem.

No one, hmm. I've seen others here pointing out the same thing. Many of them before I was here.
 

No war is won from the air alone, never has been.
 

"The fact of the matter is that Obama has bombed more countries than Bush".....

True. Because under his watch terrorism is spreading. Another cheap distraction of meaningless stats. War is not measured in bombs dropped, if they were Britain would have been in German hands after the "Battle of Britain"....it is measured in ground gained.

As Obama has for seven years attempted to ride a wave of appeasement and some weird idea of "peace" the war has spread from one fight to abut seven. So of course he has to bomb more countries, and the people in them let us not forget, because he is actually losing.

Three years ago the commander in chief declared Iraq was stable enough that American troops can come home...just in time for the election. Now, he's blabbing about "Crusades" while facing what was obvious a year ago, they need boots on the ground
 
Im not the one with the problem recognizing evil.

That depends on what your definition of evil is. When you vote Obama, evil is "not Obama". If you have swallowed sufficient doses of cool aid, then evil is any form of opposition to the regime.

Sarah Palin is evil, she gives him lip.

Ted Cruz is evil because he's...ah Ted Cruz and a funny name from Canada is easy to generate hate against.

Anyone with the name "Bush" in their ancestry is evil and unfit to be president.

Islamic terrorism, though, does not exist, there is no evil there, nor in Iran, and Libya was evil, became not evil, then became evil again, because George Bush didn't protect America from the evil of "strongman" Mohamar Gaddafi....

It's all in the brand
 

Even if he had tried, and then recognized that such appeasement isn't working I could respect it.
But he triples down and stays the course. What a stubborn fool.
 
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