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Trevor Noah explains the Covington kids

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Here's a hint for those that don't feel like watching 3-4 min of video....it's the hats and the Trump support that made it happen.



He starts out acknowledging that the media got it wrong...and then blames Trump and the hats. Bottom line, for Trevor Noah, yeah, it sucks that the kids got death threats but that's what the 1st Amendment is all about.
 
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Everyone must simply accept the "fact" that those who wear MAGA hats are (all, generally, mostly or at least somewhat) deplorable, white nationalists and/or racists - look it up.
 
That makes Noah just as much of a ***** as everyone else that doesnt have the guts to call out the Black Israelites and the cowardly piece of **** Philips as the instigators of the whole thing.
 
MAGA hat doesn't mean anything except what you want to believe it means. Noah is ok with threats against kids because its just the 1st amendment, except when he doesn't like the kids expressing their 1st amendment by wearing some hat. Because I agree with many of Trumps positions and policies doesn't mean I agree with all nor that I am racist, misogynistic, homophobic or any of that other stuff Hillary spewed. Oh, she lost? Right?
 
It's the insufferable arrogance of liberals.
It's not a matter of difference of opinion,
Their point of view is so obviously the correct one.
Because you know -THEY CARE.
and right wingers don't-except for themselves.

It's on sickening display by d-bag Trevor Noah..
 
Red Trump Hats are the new White Pointy hoods....don't ya know.
 
....it's the hats and the Trump support that made it happen.
You'd be hard pressed to find the verbal evidence to make a case that this assessment of the content of that video is correct.

Noah does not say that MAGA caps made the confrontation occur.
 
Run for your life it's the red hat..... Run......... :lamo


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Noah is ok with threats against kids because its just the 1st amendment...
Noah explicitly states the opposite of this.

Noah is ok with threats against kids because its just the 1st amendment, except when he doesn't like the kids expressing their 1st amendment by wearing some hat.
Re-read what you wrote.
You may have intended to say the opposite of what you did.

"Noah is ok with threats against kids...except when he doesn't like the kids..."

In either case, the content of the video runs contrary to your analysis.
 
You'd be hard pressed to find the verbal evidence to make a case that this assessment of the content of that video is correct.

Noah does not say that MAGA caps made the confrontation occur.

2:11 in the video Noah starts going off about the hats and how they "evoke a certain emotion" and "..you know how it makes people feel" and "you know what the hat symbolizes". If you don't think Noah was saying that the hats were a provocation you weren't listening.
 
People who make death threats should be prosecuted.

People who wear MAGA hats are using their first amendment rights to show support for an evil man and an evil agenda, so they should expect some blowback as others exercise their own first amendment rights.

If they don't they're naive. Now, those were technically children, so maybe they were that naive. But if they were that naive then maybe their parents shouldn't have sent them out to the big city in MAGA hats to protest against women's rights.

Trevor Noah didn't support the death threats. He just supported realism.
 
Here's a hint for those that don't feel like watching 3-4 min of video....it's the hats and the Trump support that made it happen.



He starts out acknowledging that the media got it wrong...and then blames Trump and the hats. Bottom line, for Trevor Noah, yeah, it sucks that the kids got death threats but that's what the 1st Amendment is all about.


Exactly how far in does he blame Trump and the hats?

What exactly does he blame Trump and the hats for?

When does he claim death threats are protected by the 1st Amd?


You'll have to excuse me when I don't take the word of someone who is constantly pushing the most delusional pro-Trump anti-liberal conspiracy theories about how a lifelong republican with a sterling reputation, overseen by a republicans and in a republican administration, is conspiring to get Trump with fabricated crimes, when a ton of people around Trump have pled guilty to crimes in the course of the investigation.

But really, wouldn't it be precious if you mischaracterized the video while betting nobody else would watch it through, given the context in which you posted it?
 
Here's a hint for those that don't feel like watching 3-4 min of video....it's the hats and the Trump support that made it happen.



He starts out acknowledging that the media got it wrong...and then blames Trump and the hats. Bottom line, for Trevor Noah, yeah, it sucks that the kids got death threats but that's what the 1st Amendment is all about.


You straight-up lied.

You lied like just about every other goddamned right winger here talking about these videos.



I watched his clip. He didn't. He read about it on a RW media site, but to try to make it look like he's better than those liberals he's attacking, he didn't provide the link to the article he read before running here. He linked to the clip, to make it look like HE was better.

/vomit

An honest review:

He criticizes people for not watching their own bias. He criticizes that smug teenagers. He criticizes the media for not searching for all the videos first. He criticizes every single video-taker because they filmed things to make themselves look like victims.

He criticizes the kids for claiming (lying) they were scared and trying to diffuse a situation when the video showed them being brazen assholes to others and loving it.

MAGA hats: his point, as he explained painstakingly, was that wearing Trump’s MAGA gear conveys a very explicit message, which other people pick up on. Hence, he notes, an awful lot of Republicans don’t go around wearing MAGA gear. Thus, it’s pretty reasonable to assume that if someone is wearing a MAGA hat, they’re a strong believer in Trump’s anti-immigrant message. That’s what he talked about so damn much on the campaign trail, and in office.

In fact, he says it was “*****y” that the kid got death threats. He’s saying that’s wrong. Is this not serious enough for a comedian on a comedy show or something?

He then says the whole PROTEST thing was what the ‘national motto’ (or mode?) is all about: you go PROTEST, he says, then everyone goes home. That’s what the 1st is about. He does NOT in any sense say that the 1st Amd is about protecting death threats or anything like it.


I repeat: the point was that wearing a MAGA hat deliberately conveys a specific political message, so don't be offended if you do it and someone assumes you agree with that message. (my addition: It'd be like wearing Bernie gear than claiming you were gotten so horribly wrong because you actually think he's an evil socialist.)

In reality, he criticized the death threats.

And, in reality, he was saying the events in the videos are what America really is kind of about: protest, say your thing, go home.


Conclusion: Luther lied again. And I’m fairly sure we can guess what he thinks about anyone he sees wearing Bernie gear, though that would be naughty. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
 
You'd be hard pressed to find the verbal evidence to make a case that this assessment of the content of that video is correct.

Noah does not say that MAGA caps made the confrontation occur.

Thank you. It sounds like the first five conservatives simply assumed he was telling the truth without watching the video.

What he did say is that MAGA hats carry a pointed message - and they do, even if it cannot be defined in one-size-fits-all - such that even most Republicans who voted for Trump don't walk around with a MAGA hat. Therefore, it's silly for someone who goes around wearing a MAGA hat to get all offended that someone assumed they've bought into Trump's platform. Namely, the things that Trump made the loudest noises about.

Noah didn't say the following, but it's just like someone walking around with Bernie gear, then getting offended that someone thinks he likes the idea of single-payer and democratic socialism. I mean, what the hell is that person doing, then, walking around in the gear?

It really was an innocuous video, saying generally the same thing that more reasonable people were saying: a lot of people made bad decisions that day, and none of them came out of it completely clean.
 
Sadly, yes.

No, it really isn't on the same level. There are sadly a good number of seeming racists, or even the slightly less severe people who deny racism every time the possibility is raised, but it's just not a fair comparison between walking around with some politician's gear and supporting the very worst of what his supporters think.
 
No, it really isn't on the same level.

It's a little more complicated than just donning a white pointy hat is. But it's too close for comfort.
 
It's a little more complicated than just donning a white pointy hat is. But it's too close for comfort.

I mean, I definitely don't have much good to say about people who are still such strong supporters that they walk around with MAGA gear. Trump is terrible after all, an utter swine who lies about everything, a cheat, a sinner of just about every sin you can think of. But ...yeah...not the same as being a KKK member.


Bear in mind, someone might support Trump because, practically speaking, they're rich and now will pay less taxes. I certainly have some moral criticisms to level if they are a strong Trump supporter, but there are reasons not connected to race. Well, at least that one.

And i suppose idiots might like his trade wars, all of which seem to end with "ok, we'll do a very minor edit to the prior deal, and you (Trump) get to pretend it's a huge victory". But then, idiocy is a lesser sin.
 
No, it really isn't on the same level. There are sadly a good number of seeming racists, or even the slightly less severe people who deny racism every time the possibility is raised, but it's just not a fair comparison between walking around with some politician's gear and supporting the very worst of what his supporters think.

It says you proudly support the guy that the white pointy hat wearers support. The guy from whom it's like pulling teeth to get him to say, "mmm, white pointy hat wears are bad, mkay".
 
I mean, I definitely don't have much good to say about people who are still such strong supporters that they walk around with MAGA gear. Trump is terrible after all, an utter swine who lies about everything, a cheat, a sinner of just about every sin you can think of. But ...yeah...not the same as being a KKK member.


Bear in mind, someone might support Trump because, practically speaking, they're rich and now will pay less taxes. I certainly have some moral criticisms to level if they are a strong Trump supporter, but there are reasons not connected to race. Well, at least that one.

And i suppose idiots might like his trade wars, all of which seem to end with "ok, we'll do a very minor edit to the prior deal, and you (Trump) get to pretend it's a huge victory". But then, idiocy is a lesser sin.


Voting for him because it might be better for your bank account is one thing. Wearing the hat is a whole nother kettle of fish.
 
Here's a hint for those that don't feel like watching 3-4 min of video....it's the hats and the Trump support that made it happen.



He starts out acknowledging that the media got it wrong...and then blames Trump and the hats. Bottom line, for Trevor Noah, yeah, it sucks that the kids got death threats but that's what the 1st Amendment is all about.


Its all about smearing Trump by proxy and if you happen to ruin a couple of kids and a religion, so be it.
 
Here's a hint for those that don't feel like watching 3-4 min of video....it's the hats and the Trump support that made it happen.



He starts out acknowledging that the media got it wrong...and then blames Trump and the hats. Bottom line, for Trevor Noah, yeah, it sucks that the kids got death threats but that's what the 1st Amendment is all about.


uuuuhm did you post the wrong video?
besides him mentioning the media and how they should do better theres NOTHING accurate about the rest of your posts at all .. .nothing in the video supports your claims.:lamo
 
2:11 in the video Noah starts going off about the hats and how they "evoke a certain emotion" and "..you know how it makes people feel" and "you know what the hat symbolizes". If you don't think Noah was saying that the hats were a provocation you weren't listening.

I agree. More important though is the reason why he can say that the MAGA hat is a provocation: It's been established by the MSM and popular culture that Trump is the 'wrong' president to have, and anyone that supports him is wrong for doing so.

Therefore, the MAGA hat is synonymous with "I am wrong and I don't care", and thus is ripe to receive of ridicule, "emotions", or any other just deserts.
 
Voting for him because it might be better for your bank account is one thing. Wearing the hat is a whole nother kettle of fish.

The virtue signaling is getting a bit thick. Its a political fight, why don't you address the politics instead of going straight for the race card. Secondarily this is about shutting up anyone that may be a Trump supporter by shaming them out of wearing anything supporting him by labeling it as racist. That's bull****, people are racist, things are symbols, by seeking to link a thing to racism you seek to shut out what it is really about, political support.
 
And lo, the WaPo provides:




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Caption: Guy Jones, left, a Native American was approached by Don Wegman, a Trump supporter, at a protest outside the Covington Catholic Diocese on Tuesday. The two exchanged phone numbers to get coffee later in the day. (Andrew Spear/For The Washington Post)



[stuff]

“Anybody threatening violence should be totally ashamed of themselves,” said Lance Soto, co-chairman of the American Indian Movement Chapter of Indiana and Kentucky, who helped organize the gathering. . . . “They have been so slammed with messages and threats, very serious threats of violence, that I don’t know when they plan to reopen,” said Mike Schafer, Director of Communications for the neighboring Cincinnati archdiocese, which serves parishes in Ohio.

[stuff and people with one-sided views saying it]

One man, Don Wegman, came to the protest wearing a red MAGA hat. He said that he had supported Trump’s campaign, but came to this demonstration with a message of reconciliation. “My hat,” he said, “represents coming together, not tearing people down.” He took his hat off as he listened to an Indian prayer. He heard Guy Jones, of the Hunkpapa Lakota speak, and then he dodged across the crowd. The two men looked at each other and embraced before exchanging numbers and an offer to meet for coffee or a meal. Wegman turned to leave. Jones smiled. “That’s what I was hoping for,” he said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...f74070bbdb9_story.html?utm_term=.3df4ea22c56f
 
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