Transgenderism vs Christianity

[calamity]

What does NSFW stand for?

I used to be able to a do a decent Scareface voice impersonation.

Yeah, that's a famous scene in the movie.

But I prefer this scene of his from Scent of a Woman.

Good movie.


NSFW: Not safe for work, this indicates the content of the linked clip or article or whatever has violence, profanity or nudity or all of the above.

 

[Daisy]

Your wasting your time. his bias in this regard is 100% one way. You can post peer reviewed study after study at him and they are all flawed according him.
if that is the case then we can trust no paper released in any form concerning this subject.

*snort*...yeah, I get that...

 

[calamity]

*snort*...yeah, I get that...

The bias in this thread is evident, but it's not coming from where you think. :roll:

So far, at least three people posting frequent comments in this thread have ignored hard evidence presented from studies done in the 21st century for ideas held back in the 1970's, for no other reason than that they like those old ideas. That is bias by definition.

 

[William Rea]

The bias in this thread is evident, but it's not coming from where you think. :roll:

So far, at least three people posting frequent comments in this thread have ignored hard evidence presented from studies done in the 21st century for ideas held back in the 1970's, for no other reason than that they like those old ideas. That is bias by definition.

To be fair, most people with dogmatic politicised religion are struggling to leave the 17th century let alone the 1970s.

 

[FastPace]

Good movie.


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Thank you, I didn't know that, you taught me something new.

I'm ambivalent about the use of acronyms. They are convenient and speedy. On the other hand they assume when used the reader knows what they translate to. I remember seeing some old school writer (can't remember if he were a journalist or not) on TV saying he hates acronyms and tries to avoid using them if he can do so.

In orthodox journalism this is less a problem of course. Due to the fact the rule of thumb is a journalist (or editor) only uses an acronym later in the article once the title the acronym represents has been fully written out in the article in an earlier paragraph.

 

[Daisy]

To be fair, most people with dogmatic politicised religion are struggling to leave the 17th century let alone the 1970s.

To clarify...struggling to live in a corrupt world and still hold fast to the morals they are convinced are right, yes...

 

[FastPace]

To be fair, most people with dogmatic politicised religion are struggling to leave the 17th century let alone the 1970s.

Actually, it is secular people and religious liberals doing all they can to resist the progress of the natural (not social) sciences marching forward out of the the 19th and 20th century science paradigm of *determinism*.

All science has some philosophical under base. The 19th century and first half of the 20th century was science in the West dominated by a philosophical foundation that all human behaviors and thoughts can be rooted to biological causation, with free will being an illusion, and therefore all traits of individual men can be predicted.

Eventually the world went o war over this in WWII. The facts are American liberals (and many conservatives) taught Nazi Germany their scientific eugenic beliefs. And as a mulatto let me makes this very clear: if in fact biological or genetic determinism are true then eugenics was fine and outstanding science. Or the practical implementation of science to resolve dilemmas in a society. I mean... it logically follows that if undesirable genetic or biological traits are heritable then a government and society can legislate policies that promote artificial selection that weeds those traits out of (the genetic pool) a society.

The Jim Crow racial laws of the United States were part of the same philosophical foundation that liberals and conservatives promote in the "born that way" explanation for transsexuals, non-binary gender people, and homosexuals.

The only institution in the whole of the Western World that stood against eugenics with any force was the Catholic Church. And Catholic countries in Latin America resisted eugenics, albeit some of them like Brazil implemented eugenic policies with a reverse face of the US Jim Crow laws. Brazilian politicians encouraged immigration from white European countries to Brazil to improve the racial stock of Brazil through miscegenation. Whereas in the US the government policies tried to protect the white racial stock from being infected by what was viewed as inferior black genetic traits.

As for socialists--as I see you label yourself one--the City of Milwaukee has a long history with socialist. A number of our mayors were socialist. Many older people in Milwaukee regard the greatest mayor the city ever had as one of the socialist one's. His name escapes me at the time. Anyways... during the late 1800s Milwaukee was far more libertarian in culture. It would shock the sensibilities of modern day Democrats. I mean... you had publicly open brothels (like you do today with gay night clubs in Milwaukee, and I think one gay bathhouse) in its "Red Light District" and gambling halls and opium dens. Corruption was part of the local government and morally part of the town was steeped in sin. Generally, you did not go to jail for that sin though. The "good society" in the city were still morally conservative and far more so than today. And guess who came in with a morally conservative campaign to "clean the city up"? The socialist. And eventually they did.

Lesson from the Milwaukee story? A socialist or Republican will always campaign on being the opposite of their opponent. A socialist will be anti-homosexual if it happens 90% of conservative Christians promote homosexuality. The socialist will be pro-homosexual when the conservative Christian is anti-homosexual.


UW-Madison starts new dual-degree program in neuroscience and law

UW-Madison starts new dual-degree program in neuroscience and law

June 15, 2011 By Jill Sakai

The University of Wisconsin–Madison has established an integrated dual-degree program in neuroscience and law that offers students the opportunity to earn a Ph.D. in neuroscience and a J.D. in law.

It plans to enroll its first class in fall 2012.

“The Program in Neuroscience and Law will train neuroscientists who also are competent in the law and prepare them to address the many important legal, scientific and public policy issues at the intersection of neuroscience and law,” says Ronald Kalil, director of the UW–Madison Neuroscience and Public Policy Program, which will administer the new dual-degree option.

Even as recent advances in neuroscience call into question many assumptions underlying aspects of the legal system, such as the importance of personal responsibility, courts are grappling with how to handle new kinds of evidence.

 

[FastPace]

Phrenology is from the same philosophical roots as transsexuals being "born that way."








And eugenics policies in the United States that were later picked up with greater zeal by Nazi Germany, came from the same philosophical foundation of "transsexuals are born that way."

Leading ethnic Black-American intellectuals subscribed to eugenics too. While most British citizens never fully accepted eugenics, nearly all of its aristocrats, academic intellectuals, and politicians did. Again, I want to point out, Black-American intellectuals subscribed to eugenics (and promoted the idea only superior blacks procreate with other superior blacks and not with inferior blacks, so that a higher class level will emerge among blacks). The rise of Nazi Germany and all the bloodshed that occurred due to that can be laid squarely at the feet of American liberals (and the many conservatives that followed them) and British intellectual/political elites.

 

[William Rea]

...snipped for brevity...

This is the forum section that you are looking for.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/

 

[FastPace]

Bishop Barron explains what the Early Church Fathers regarded as the original sin, the sin that Adam and Eve committed, and it will surprise atheists, liberal Christians, and conservative Christians as they all commit it in their vanity and All American pride over these various modern issues of sex. It's not what the "smart" conservative knowing "science" thinks.

Satan knows more science than any 1 billion of you put together. He's the greatest psychologist too. He makes Dr. Phil look like a talking monkey. And contrary to what you conservative and liberal Christians think Satan is faaaaaar smarter than you. And that's why Satan won't shock and awe you. That's why he backs off from shocking and awing me, lest I run to the greatest defensive army in the world, led by the ever loyal Michael. Better to keep one in a better functional state of sin--they may even walk their own children to the threshold of the doors of hell.

Bishop Barron on Original Sin

 

[calamity]

To clarify...struggling to live in a corrupt world and still hold fast to the morals they are convinced are right, yes...

Few things are more corrupt than churches...

 

[Daisy]

Few things are more corrupt than churches...

True, churches are not exempt...Jesus made that clear in his ministry...that's why it's vital to make sure of what you believe/live is in line with what the Bible teaches...

 

[FastPace]

This is the forum section that you are looking for.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/

That's irrelevant to my point that phrenology, eugenics, and "transsexuals being born that way" are from the same philosophical foundation: determinism.

I already covered biological determinism in a university philosophy course on The Philosophy of Biology. A philosophy course that covered the issue of determinism as an explanation for homosexuality.

Have you taken any philosophy course on this? No. I can tell.

There are deterministic aspects to biology, to human beings, as a former biology major I would not deny that. That would be crazy. :screwy

But that determinism in biology functions at the molecular and cellular level with the chemistry and physics that drives the biological organism. It does not drive the thought patterns of Trump or white racists or black males in prisons. It does program one to like short, thin, Asian males if one is a black transsexual born male but identifying as female.

Now... liberals might think otherwise and many of those in neuroscience might think otherwise, ergo the development of a dual law-neuroscience degree at UW-Madison.






This is when you're supposed to go into support of the uniquely American mode and decry why it is ethnic Black-Americans like myself never went to college. Surely, if college educated Black-American woman had black men around that knew how to read or ever read even a single book in college they might have someone to marry. :boohoo:

But its not really college or education that you liberals and conservatives are concerned about as much as producing people that don't think critically and only parrot what you Dear Party says.

ABC Report Why Successfull Black Women Find It So Hard To get Married

Published on Dec 28, 2009

ABC Report:

 

[calamity]

True, churches are not exempt...Jesus made that clear in his ministry...that's why it's vital to make sure of what you believe/live is in line with what the Bible teaches...

lol...do you own slaves, have several wives and kill children who misbehave? The Bible is a pretty bad choice for a moral compass.

 

[What if...?]

That's irrelevant to my point that phrenology, eugenics, and "transsexuals being born that way" are from the same philosophical foundation: determinism.

I already covered biological determinism in a university philosophy course on The Philosophy of Biology. A philosophy course that covered the issue of determinism as an explanation for homosexuality.

Have you taken any philosophy course on this? No. I can tell.

There are deterministic aspects to biology, to human beings, as a former biology major I would not deny that. That would be crazy. :screwy

But that determinism in biology functions at the molecular and cellular level with the chemistry and physics that drives the biological organism. It does not drive the thought patterns of Trump or white racists or black males in prisons. It does program one to like short, thin, Asian males if one is a black transsexual born male but identifying as female.

Now... liberals might think otherwise and many of those in neuroscience might think otherwise, ergo the development of a dual law-neuroscience degree at UW-Madison.






This is when you're supposed to go into support of the uniquely American mode and decry why it is ethnic Black-Americans like myself never went to college. Surely, if college educated Black-American woman had black men around that knew how to read or ever read even a single book in college they might have someone to marry. :boohoo:

But its not really college or education that you liberals and conservatives are concerned about as much as producing people that don't think critically and only parrot what you Dear Party says.

Eugenics gets a bad rap.

State.forced it would be very bad.

Voluntarily it would be a good idea.

Like offering people who carry genetic "monsters" no qualification adoptions, for example.

We selectively breed every animal and plant we use. Why not us?

 

[What if...?]

That's irrelevant to my point that phrenology, eugenics, and "transsexuals being born that way" are from the same philosophical foundation: determinism.

I already covered biological determinism in a university philosophy course on The Philosophy of Biology. A philosophy course that covered the issue of determinism as an explanation for homosexuality.

Have you taken any philosophy course on this? No. I can tell.

There are deterministic aspects to biology, to human beings, as a former biology major I would not deny that. That would be crazy. :screwy

But that determinism in biology functions at the molecular and cellular level with the chemistry and physics that drives the biological organism. It does not drive the thought patterns of Trump or white racists or black males in prisons. It does program one to like short, thin, Asian males if one is a black transsexual born male but identifying as female.

Now... liberals might think otherwise and many of those in neuroscience might think otherwise, ergo the development of a dual law-neuroscience degree at UW-Madison.






This is when you're supposed to go into support of the uniquely American mode and decry why it is ethnic Black-Americans like myself never went to college. Surely, if college educated Black-American woman had black men around that knew how to read or ever read even a single book in college they might have someone to marry. :boohoo:

But its not really college or education that you liberals and conservatives are concerned about as much as producing people that don't think critically and only parrot what you Dear Party says.

Fear of the "other" is genetic.

We evolved in extended families.

Recognizing "others" was pro survival, as they often represented a threat.

Doesn't mean that that evolutionary vestige has any modern bearing.

But it IS played on by propagandists to further agendas.

 

[Daisy]

lol...do you own slaves, have several wives and kill children who misbehave? The Bible is a pretty bad choice for a moral compass.

Most people usually mistakenly jump to that un-informed assumption...Christians are not under the Old Law Covenant mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures but we are under the New Law Covenant of Love laid out in the Greek Scriptures, which Jesus started while he was on the earth...

 

[FastPace]

lol...do you own slaves, have several wives and kill children who misbehave? The Bible is a pretty bad choice for a moral compass.

Jesus makes clear in the New Testament a man is to have only 1 wife. He was questioned about Jewish men having multiple wives.

And why do you think having multiple wives is immoral? That's not taught in the science of biology. Homosexual sex, pedophilia, becoming transsexual, eating meat, a man having sex with many women are all amoral issues in the science of biology.


Amoral - definition of amoral by The Free Dictionary

a·mor·al (ā-môr′əl, ā-mŏr′-)
adj.
1. Not admitting of moral distinctions or judgments; neither moral nor immoral.
2. Lacking moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.

As I've said before on this website Survival of the Fittest is a specific concept in the Theory of Evolution. It does not mean what political liberals and political conservatives think.

"Fitness" in the Theory of Evolution is a rational way of explaining why certain traits are more prevalent in a population of a certain species than other traits or why certain traits have died out of that species. "Fitness" is used two different ways: to mean (1) the aggregate traits in a population, or the prevalence of x, y, z traits in a population and (2) an organism that successfully reproduces more often than another competing organism of the same species, therefore passing on his genes into the genetic pool of that population of organisms.

Each individual human is an organism. Trump is an organism. The black guy that is a a so-called "dead beat dad" that has produced offspring by 7 different women, he is an organism.

In the science of biology the more offspring you produce (the more you pass on your genes) the more fit you are. That's one way the term is used. It's not used to mean one guy is "tough," or "smart" or works hard and pay taxes. Conservatives don't know what the hell they are talking about. And nor is it used to mean one guy is loving towards the poor, friendly with gays, only produces 1 child with a woman and is faithful to her and helps raise that child. Liberals don't know what the hell they are talking about.

The Theory of Evolution is not about cotton candy, the end of competition, Christian monogamy, men being "fair to women," or the end of discrimination.

For biological evolution to occur in fact certain pressures need to be in place. Two of those are competition and discrimination. There has o be winners and losers in the Theory of Evolution. Has to be.

I have no children, so, like Jesus I'm considered less fit in the science of biology than the guy that punches women in the teeth, impregnates 10 of them, and takes care of none of the children when they are born.

 

[RAMOSS]

Guess what? John's Hopkins has now reversed that policy since that idiot McHugh is not longer there. They have just finished developing a state of the art transsexual program... where one of my clients is completely his SRS in a few months. McHugh based all of his positions on one methodology flawed study from the early 1970's... which was debunked.

I was interested in the information that John Hopkins reversed that policy, and indeed, when I looked it up, I found an article about it.

Johns Hopkins psychiatrist sees hospital come full circle on transgender issues - Baltimore Sun

This was an article in April of this year, and it mentions the decision to change course was made public of July of last year. I had not been aware of that change.

 

[ludin]

The bias in this thread is evident, but it's not coming from where you think. :roll:

So far, at least three people posting frequent comments in this thread have ignored hard evidence presented from studies done in the 21st century for ideas held back in the 1970's, for no other reason than that they like those old ideas. That is bias by definition.

the study i posted was done in like 2004 so you are wrong you should have read the study.

 

[cpwill]

No actually, I wasn't having a dig at religion so much as people that appear to hold 'delusion' to a different standard when NOT applied to their own delusions. Hypocrisy is the problem, not religion per se.

And, you completely failed with your lame apologetic but, your delusions about gods is not the subject of the thread

Not really - a Religious Faith is not inherently a delusion in that which is physically disproven. Believing that you are "really" something you physically are not, is.

 

[calamity]

Most people usually mistakenly jump to that un-informed assumption...Christians are not under the Old Law Covenant mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures but we are under the New Law Covenant of Love laid out in the Greek Scriptures, which Jesus started while he was on the earth...

In that case you should not have any issues with homosexuality, transsexuals, premarital sex, or any of the other "Old Testament" concerns and edicts. Or do you pick and choose from there too? You know, ten commandments good; beating slaves bad...that sort of thing?

 

[cpwill]

Since transsexuality is not a mental disorder, your point above is valueless. GDD IS a mental disorder

If you will read through what I was responding to, you will discover that the point you make in the bolded is precisely mine - that this is a mental disorder. Our inability to cure a mental disorder does not make it "not a mental disorder". You will note that this argument was in response to Calamity's suggestion that the fact that we couldn't cure someone suffering from the belief that they were "really" the gender they were not somehow countered the point that it is, indeed, a mental disorder.

and we can treat it effectively with HRT and SRS. In fact, a large percentage of transsexuals show few or no signs of GDD after transitioning.

See, this strikes me as similar to saying that a large percentage of people no longer present symptoms of Multiple Personality Disorder once we stop counting the symptoms by normalizing them.

"Bob and Jane, who inhabit the same body, are both healthy, and neither of them has DID".

 

[cpwill]

In that case you should not have any issues with homosexuality, transsexuals, premarital sex, or any of the other "Old Testament" concerns and edicts. Or do you pick and choose from there too? You know, ten commandments good; beating slaves bad...that sort of thing?

The NT is pretty clear that the Moral Law is still in effect, and it reiterates it.

 

[Daisy]

In that case you should not have any issues with homosexuality, transsexuals, premarital sex, or any of the other "Old Testament" concerns and edicts. Or do you pick and choose from there too? You know, ten commandments good; beating slaves bad...that sort of thing?

your ignorance on the subject is showing...as has already been pointed out, Christ said the man should be the husband of one wife...no other allowances are mentioned in the Greek Scriptures for a Christian to follow...I choose to be a follower of Christ...