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Transgender bathroom choice

specklebang said:
Here is a book on the topic Changing Ones: Third and Fourth Genders in Native North America: Will Roscoe: 9780312224790: Amazon.com: Books

When I grew up, I didn't have to be intimidated by those large negro penises since they couldn't come in my bathroom. Tell me, has that change been harmful to us?

Remember, men are just women missing a chromosome. So, in a way, we are all just "god's children".
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Yes!

The RACE CARD!

Now we just need specklebang to figure out a way to work in something about Muslims ...
 
Dapper Andy said:
Yes!

The RACE CARD!

Now we just need specklebang to figure out a way to work in something about Muslims ...
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You are just embarrassing yourself now. Please try harder.
 
specklebang said:
You can stay in the present while the rest of us move on into the future. Nobody will mandate that you use any public restrooms. You're welcome though.

Orwellian is NSA spying. Not really an appropriate analogy.
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If the NSA feels some need to check my orders of herbal Viagra or car insurance quotes, so be it.

And your defense is "nobody's making you use a bathroom"? Really? Fine, then don't cite me when I piss on your floor.
 
Gipper said:
If the NSA feels some need to check my orders of herbal Viagra or car insurance quotes, so be it.

And your defense is "nobody's making you use a bathroom"? Really? Fine, then don't cite me when I piss on your floor.
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Not a defense. A solution.

If you are more threatened by a TG ****ting in a bathroom stall than by the NSA monitoring your communications, we don't have a similar enough frame of reference for either of us to convince the other of anything.

So please don't pee on my floor. Just go into the bathroom and take the risk that the "guy" next to you has a surgically constructed penis instead of a natural born one. Just don't stare:)
 
specklebang said:
Not a defense. A solution.

If you are more threatened by a TG ****ting in a bathroom stall than by the NSA monitoring your communications, we don't have a similar enough frame of reference for either of us to convince the other of anything.

So please don't pee on my floor. Just go into the bathroom and take the risk that the "guy" next to you has a surgically constructed penis instead of a natural born one. Just don't stare:)
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I'm less worried about who's peeing next to me than I am the fact that legislation needs to be passed for it. If some "chick with a dick" is wanting to shake twice somewhere out of my line of sight, so be it. I'm just against the power being taken from a very local level to some lawyer with an ink pen and taxpayer money to waste.
 
specklebang said:
Here is a book on the topic Changing Ones: Third and Fourth Genders in Native North America: Will Roscoe: 9780312224790: Amazon.com: Books

When I grew up, I didn't have to be intimidated by those large negro penises since they couldn't come in my bathroom. Tell me, has that change been harmful to us?

Remember, men are just women missing a chromosome. So, in a way, we are all just "god's children".
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That is nowhere close to the same thing, and the people who fought for black rights should be outraged by the suggestion. They did not try to change themselves, these disturbed individuals are....
 
Gipper said:
I'm less worried about who's peeing next to me than I am the fact that legislation needs to be passed for it. If some "chick with a dick" is wanting to shake twice somewhere out of my line of sight, so be it. I'm just against the power being taken from a very local level to some lawyer with an ink pen and taxpayer money to waste.
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Yes, I agree. It's pathetic that as "a nation of laws" every damn thing needs to be specified. You'd think common sense and common courtesy would prevail on its own merits.


davidtaylorjr said:
That is nowhere close to the same thing, and the people who fought for black rights should be outraged by the suggestion. They did not try to change themselves, these disturbed individuals are....
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As one of those people who "fought for black rights" I find enough similarity to use it as a way of expressing my sentiments on the topic. Are you familiar with the term "passing"? Might be from before your time.
 
specklebang said:
Yes, I agree. It's pathetic that as "a nation of laws" every damn thing needs to be specified. You'd think common sense and common courtesy would prevail on its own merits.




As one of those people who "fought for black rights" I find enough similarity to use it as a way of expressing my sentiments on the topic. Are you familiar with the term "passing"? Might be from before your time.
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:roll:
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I, myself, would not want to use a bathroom that other men have used - or are using. Ew. (RE Amsterdam). I like my gender-division and distance. What's so wrong with male and female? why do we all have to come together and sing kumbaya?
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Same here, mostly because men's bathrooms are often filthy in my experience, and according to what men have told me.
 
lizzie said:
Same here, mostly because men's bathrooms are often filthy in my experience, and according to what men have told me.
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Hmm? I've heard that women's bathrooms are worse.
 
Dapper Andy said:
I suspect both have more to do with how often they're cleaned then who does what in them.
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I really don't think so. I've worked in places that were open to the public for most of my life, and the bathrooms get cleaned an equal number of times. It seems to mostly be that men are careless about pissing, and it gets on the walls and on the floor.
 
I love threads like this where people list the most trivial excuses for their prejudice. "Men are icky so I don't want to share a bathroom with a woman who used to be one." "It will be confusing for the children. Who will think of the children?"

Shut up. You probably don't even know how many transgender people you've shared a bathroom with because you probably still don't know the difference between a transgender person and a drag queen.

You're uncomfortable with transgender people. You're ignorant. The end. It's that simple.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I love threads like this where people list the most trivial excuses for their prejudice. "Men are icky so I don't want to share a bathroom with a woman who used to be one." "It will be confusing for the children. Who will think of the children?"

Shut up. You probably don't even know how many transgender people you've shared a bathroom with because you probably still don't know the difference between a transgender person and a drag queen.

You're uncomfortable with transgender people. You're ignorant. The end. It's that simple.
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A separate issue was being discussed: Someone else brought up the idea that blended-gendered bathrooms are becoming a norm in his country as opposed to male and female restroom facilities. Several of us in this thread were discussing that - a different situation. My previous comments were in regard to that, which was more of a notable topic. I resent being told I'm being trivial when it comes to the idea that, suddenly, I'm supposed to be okay dropping trow and popping out a tampon while in the same room with a man. So, I take it you saw some comments and assumed they were all aimed toward the OP topic.

I'm just clarifying that.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I love threads like this where people list the most trivial excuses for their prejudice. "Men are icky so I don't want to share a bathroom with a woman who used to be one." "It will be confusing for the children. Who will think of the children?"

Shut up. You probably don't even know how many transgender people you've shared a bathroom with because you probably still don't know the difference between a transgender person and a drag queen.

You're uncomfortable with transgender people. You're ignorant. The end. It's that simple.
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Why don't transgenders just stay where they are if it's all so trivial?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I love threads like this where people list the most trivial excuses for their prejudice. "Men are icky so I don't want to share a bathroom with a woman who used to be one." "It will be confusing for the children. Who will think of the children?"

Shut up. You probably don't even know how many transgender people you've shared a bathroom with because you probably still don't know the difference between a transgender person and a drag queen.

You're uncomfortable with transgender people. You're ignorant. The end. It's that simple.
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You'd think some of them would be pleased that a woman might see their junk.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
A separate issue was being discussed: Someone else brought up the idea that blended-gendered bathrooms are becoming a norm in his country as opposed to male and female restroom facilities. Several of us in this thread were discussing that - a different situation. My previous comments were in regard to that, which was more of a notable topic. I resent being told I'm being trivial when it comes to the idea that, suddenly, I'm supposed to be okay dropping trow and popping out a tampon while in the same room with a man. So, I take it you saw some comments and assumed they were all aimed toward the OP topic.

I'm just clarifying that.
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You often "drop trow and pop out a tampon" in front of others do you?
 
Superfly said:
I like Auntie's idea about a family bathroom, but I don't know that I'd call it a family bathroom. I can see a soccer mom walking in there with 14 kids, and a man in a dress standing in front of a urinal. :lol: Maybe a "non gender" bathroom.

I think most gender-transitioning people would be OK with that. After all they have gone through, they wouldn't have much trouble seeing somebody urinate.
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I would probably just label it a unisex bathroom.

Although it really speaks to the true reality of our society to where it has degraded and regressed so far that we even have to discuss these issues.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You often "drop trow and pop out a tampon" in front of others do you?
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In a lot of bathrooms you can actually see through the cracks in the doors.

The other month I was traveling through Oklahoma, stopped off at Loves Travelstop to use the bathroom. It was nice with full-brickwork walls between the stalls and huge doors. One of the doors said "Vacant" - but when I pushed it open, a woman was doing her monthly business.

She was horrified, I was too. Yeah - invite guys into that type of environment where there are cracks, holes, and broken locks? I don't think so.

Most guys wouldn't know - because you're raised to freely pull out your **** and piss in a urinal in sight of others.
 
specklebang said:
Thank you for your detailed response.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Europeans have accepted mixed gender bathrooms primarily (IMHO) because of the value of space and the costs of bathroom construction (with plumbing, sewer et al the bathrooms are one of the higher per SF parts of any building). No matter how superior you may feel Americans are, I assure you that Europe is intellectually compatible to us.

Sharing a lavatory will not change your gender or lessen the value of the other gender{s). Most toilets are seated in cubbies where you have privacy, they are not social areas. You enter, you reliueve yourself, you wash and leave. They aren't a social situation.

To provide a separate facility for the 3rd gender might ease some anxiety but in most cases, it would be cost prohibitive to retrofit the structures such as schools.

Of course we will survive the changes associated with embracing the gay and transgendered. Look at how we white folks have survived the loss of our slaves and the indignity of sharing our water fountains with colored folks. At the time of this change, many white people foresaw the end of America. But we are still here 50 years later. And yes, it is the same thing.

The whole idea of the the Constitution was to protect the minority from the abuse of the majority.
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Sorry, Europeans may do as they please, their past and how they conduct themselves currently is not the proper path to our own future. They may be on a similar level intellectually, but they never seem to properly put it all together. Smart does not in any way indicate wisdom. We do a much better job over here.

I think it well within our means to provide a bathroom per school. If not, then those of questionable gender will have to deal with the situation and use the bathroom of the gender they were born with. We will survive only if we stop putting up with foolishness such as this. And you cannot use that old saw of slavery to get every liberal and/or deviant thing that some small segment in our society desires. The few are not in charge, the majority is... the whole system is based on majority rule.

You do not understand the Constitution if that is what your idea of the Constitution is. It is actually a framework for governing a nation. It did/does keep the tyranny of the minority, at that time in the form of one, King George III, from dominating the majority, the people. And, our founders/framers had the wisdom to understand that there can become an imbalance of the majority, yet still the majority rules. The minority, to combat this, was allotted rights however, these being the rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom to petition for relief of grievances... these rights allow the minority the ability to try to become the majority and have their will become the rule... that is indisputable.

The minority does not rule, sorry, that would be beyond a silly system.
 
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