I think Mr. Boehner may be going out with a bang will have a ****-it year.Because there were a few moments when conservative's were drunk on Reagan's, "the government is not the solution, the government is the problem", Boehner was convinced that he had enough political capital to shut down government. A gross miscalculation on his part mistaking a temporary fashion with a long term shift in American values.
I believe the GOP message will be sharper after this retreat they're at in MD.Now that he has committed himself to that position, and the ground beneath him has shifted, he's stuck holding the bag.
When you have Senators like Cruz as part of your House caucus, you haven't won anything in 2014 yet,He's nothing if not a consummate politician, so perhaps he can dig himself out, but I don't see how. He just may have to be sacrificed along with those who sucked him in, to the rebuilding of the party. I frankly would hate to be in his shoes.
I think Mr. Boehner may be going out with a bang will have a ****-it year.
He's not just doggin Mr. Obama as intransigent.
He's blaming his own caucus by saying He did as they wanted him to.
I believe the GOP message will be sharper after this retreat they're at in MD.
DEMs are giving up on the House but better not lose too many House seats.
When you have Senators like Cruz as part of your House caucus, you haven't won anything in 2014 yet,
and the GOP faces far more divisive primaries and a greater number of both TEA and RINO primaries than DEMs .
Mr. Boehner has the ****tiest job in DC.
He needs all of our prayers .
If there is going to be an immediate future resurgence of the GOP, they certainly did their best to hide it at their response to the state of the union. Do you think that that was strategy?
The quality of the SOTU responses to Mr. Obama have been abysmal.
Only an imperial lawless King could have mind-melded with these clowns to cause such lack of stage presence.
The individual one-liners of ALL the GOP members to the SOTU was a gift that will give again .
"And when ninety-eight percent of our exporters are small businesses, new trade partnerships with Europe and the Asia-Pacific will help them create more jobs."
What a crock of ****. It's that kind of thing that is killing jobs in the USA.
"Every four minutes, another American home or business goes solar; every panel pounded into place by a worker whose job can't be outsourced."
Solar Panels made in China.
If there is going to be an immediate future resurgence of the GOP, they certainly did their best to hide it at their response to the state of the union. Do you think that that was strategy?
There is absolutely no justification for continued democrat rule in the Senate and WH as the results show so the best you can do is attack the House based upon your own ignorance of economic data and results.
Remember 2009. Consider today. Nothing but up.
Remember 2000. Recall 2009. Nothing but down.
Mere happenstance?
Not likely.
Again, we're talking about the IDEOLOGICAL idea of saying that since congress wont give the President what he wants, he'll do it anyway. Was that the argument used by your examples? I dont recall Bush ever saying that.
So, let me get this straight: You're pissed that the President of the United States who happens to be a Democrat puffed out his chest and challenged a Congress filled with ideologically obstructive Republicans to do their job?
C'mon, man! Give me a break.
I really wish folks would stop acting as if this is something new for a sitting President. Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and GW Bush all used their executive power to streeeeeeeetch their authority somewhat. Some did it within the letter of the law (those who weren't impeached, their executive over-reach wasn't reeled in by the SCOUS or were Congress didn't rewriting specific laws) or they got handed their ass.
Jackson: Indians/land rights - SCOUS
Truman: Industrial seizure - SCOUS
Nixon: civil liberty violations - impeached
Regan: Iran/Contra - Congressional Hearings
Clinton: excessive use of executive privilege - impeached
GW Bush: civil liberty violations - revised law by Congress
I'm sure the SCOUS will rule against Pres. Obama's recess appointments, but that aside if Congress truly believed he was over-stepping his bounds I'm pretty sure the Spkr Boehnor would be doing more than just making idle rhetorical arguments. So, until Congress acts or the SCOUS rules against the alleged unconstitutional actions conducted by President Obama, can we stop acting like the President of the United States cannot use the power of his office to execute policy within his legal authority?
This is interesting: Bush Pushes Agenda Without Congress (from 2007) Bush pushes agenda without Congress - politics | NBC News
From the article:
Outgoing presidents often unleash a flurry of executive orders and regulations in a last-minute attempt to leave their mark on U.S. policy. Frustrated by Congress’ inability or unwillingness to pass the president’s agenda, the administration already is taking steps to do it through executive action....
Bush said it was an example of acting within the boundaries of existing law when Congress failed to act.
sound familiar??
Did you support what you claim Bush did?
I'm not making any claim. I am just sharing buzz that was out there about him and every other President when they were in office and used EOs. People are claiming the EO's originated with Obama, which is inaccurate. They are also claiming that he is abusing them, which is a claim leveled against every other President that used them.
Point being, maybe the problem is EO's and not this President.
To be fair, given numerous instances of the administrations actions being overruled by the court in a unanimous basis, it would be more accurate to say "work with me, or to the extent I believe I am legally able, I will move things forward myself".
As we've seen in past decisions, and potentially in the upcoming decision regarding his "recess" appointment, what the President BELIEVES is legal and what is legal doesn't always jive. What's troubling is an administration ran by a "constitutional professor" (whose experience as such was one thing touted as a reason to not worry about his dreadfully lacking resume) is having routine instances of being overruled unanimously by the SCOTUS.
Here's a USA Today article going over some of them ((Source) as well as one from the WSJ (SOURCE). A sampling summary...
Horne v. Department of Agriculture was a 5th amendment issue with the Obama Administration seizing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of crop without compensation and claiming the farmers couldn’t even raise the issue with the court without enduring lengthy delays and paying a $483k fine. 9-0 against the administration
Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency claimed a couple couldn’t go to court to seek compensation after the EPA blocked construction of their house. Again, 9-0 against the administration
Arkansas Game & Fish Commission v. United States they argued the government isn’t required to compensate people if the government repeatedly and deliberately floods their property. 9-0 against once again.
Hosanna-Tabor Church v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission had the administration claiming that a church’s religious protections under the first amendment doesn’t extend to their decisions regarding the hiring and firing of employees, a position even Elena Kagan decried as “amazing”. Again, 9-0.
United States v. Jones had the administration arguing they could put a GPS onto a suspected drug dealer’s car and electronically monitor his movements without a warrant. Again, 9-0
In no way am I suggesting in any of those cases that the administration was sitting there going "mwhahaha, let's go against the constitutional boundries set forth before us". But it is pointing out that simply because Obama chooses to do something doesn't necessarily mean he's doing it "within the law", only within what he and his administration THINK is the law.
And as I pointed out in another thread, the argument is hardly singularly on the notion that Executive Orders are unconstiituional (some think that, but it seems a minority) nor simply the amount (ridiculous to look at a complex issue and argument and boil it down to a singular metric), but rather a combination of multiple factors that lead into the complaints regarding Obama's actions and threatened actions.
none of any previous Administration EO's ever changed existing law such as Obama has done with Obamacare and the minimum wage paid on Government contracts. Congress controls the purse strings and it is the job of the President to enforce the laws passed.
There is absolutely no justification for continued democratic rule in the Senate and WH.
This is interesting: Bush Pushes Agenda Without Congress (from 2007) Bush pushes agenda without Congress - politics | NBC News
From the article:
Outgoing presidents often unleash a flurry of executive orders and regulations in a last-minute attempt to leave their mark on U.S. policy. Frustrated by Congress’ inability or unwillingness to pass the president’s agenda, the administration already is taking steps to do it through executive action....
Bush said it was an example of acting within the boundaries of existing law when Congress failed to act.
sound familiar??
E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!
It's okay when the President whose has a House majority does it, but when it's a President with a House minority suddenly he's acting like an tyrant, a dictator, a King, an Empirical President. :roll:
Interesting how the data doesn't support your claims especially the data today 5 years after the end of the recession. Post data, not opinions and further realize where the data comes from. What effect did the Democrat Controlled Congress have on the economic results in 2007-2009?
You have to be kidding, our community agitator President is totally and completely incompetent as the results show and yet results don't seem to matter. Here we are five years into this Presidency and people like you are still making excuses for Obama failures. Did you support what you believe Bush did with EO's?
You're right. These improvements to the economy are bull****.
Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President? - Forbes
Although we hear almost no one in the Obama administration taking credit for record index highs, they should. Because the President deserves attention for how well this economy has done during his leadership.
Obama has a 43 percent Job Approval rating, has added almost 7 trillion to the debt, has high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, 2 million fewer people working today than when the recession began and this qualifies him for America's best President's. Such low standards people like you have. Please tell me what economic policy Obama has implemented that has benefited you and your family along with the economy in general?
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