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Train Wreck: Continued

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Busta said:
If I may correct something here.....
I conceded my vote a while back and WILL vote in favor of same-sex 'marriage. Homosexual people have asked for marital rights, so, just because they asked, for my part I will give it to them.

I hope that many same-sex couples form loving families and improve upon society.

Sissy-boy keeps accusing me of being intolerant, etc....yet I support his ability to legally 'wed another man.

We disagree philosophically..with the exception of the impotence of love. So I suppose that my vote in support of same-sex 'marriage is a gift of love toward my fellow Man. I give it freely and with out condition.


HAHA!! Good one!!

But don't forget: The Lord rebukes you...haha!!
 

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sissy-boy said:

'When God hates all the same people as yourself, you can rest assured that you've created him in your own image." -- Anon
Oh, good one. I am going to steal that to add to my sig.
 

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jallman said:
I should have expected no more than this silliness. I dont think I have ever seen busta make a comment to the effect that he wishes to pass law banning gay marriage...only that he would not vote for it if presented the bill.
But isn't that bigotry anyway, having the opportunity to help fellow man and deliberately avoiding doing so because you don't like them?
 

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steen said:
But isn't that bigotry anyway, having the opportunity to help fellow man and deliberately avoiding doing so because you don't like them?



You have to first understand the pathology behind Jallman's position. He thinks that if the CHURCH endorses the bigotry that it's just ok because he claims that it's a form of 'morality'. Jallman is a 'moralist' and as such he thinks that any number of religions can and should be able to force others to adhere to THEIR idea of 'morality'. He has confirmed this idea time and time again. He also thinks that if a person is against this form of fascism, that they are 'intolerant', 'hateful' and any other number of personal attacks.

The REALLY funny thing is that he THINKS he's '50% Liberal', but in fact he's more like 5% Liberal because he is not actively on an evangelical team of hatemongers that would make religious laws to limit someone else's freedom.
 

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Busta said:
I just don't see how you make the leap from "dislike and disapproval" (= abomination) to "hate". That passage does not promote "hate". That passage tells you that God disapproves and dislikes homosexual sex......that doesn't even apply to a homosexual relationship....just the act of sex itself.


I believe that if, within a religion, a group of people were called abominations, that would incite hate. Is there a tangible line between homosexual sex and a homosexual relationship? In the big picture? If something that someone does is an abomination, does that not make them an abomination?


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Duke said:
I believe that if, within a religion, a group of people were called abominations, that would incite hate. Is there a tangible line between homosexual sex and a homosexual relationship? In the big picture? If something that someone does is an abomination, does that not make them an abomination?
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This is yet another thing that I don't like about organized religion: Just because the Priest says so, it is believed.

If committing the act of an abomination makes you, yourself, an abomination, then I am an abomination as well (I love shell fish) and should be no less hated then you. If the torch and pitchfork mob ever comes for you, then it is just and right that I stand and die at your side.

It is better to live a homosexual life filled with love then to live a heterosexual life filled with hate.

I think that regardless of your sexual orientation, sex is an inseparable part of your relationship.

I think that people who are predisposed to hate, in general, are going to use whatever excuse is convenient.
I would dare say that those who hate homosexuals really hate themselves, and find gay-marriage a convenient scape-goat.
 

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sissy-boy said:

You have to first understand the pathology behind Jallman's position. He thinks that if the CHURCH endorses the bigotry that it's just ok because he claims that it's a form of 'morality'. Jallman is a 'moralist' and as such he thinks that any number of religions can and should be able to force others to adhere to THEIR idea of 'morality'. He has confirmed this idea time and time again. He also thinks that if a person is against this form of fascism, that they are 'intolerant', 'hateful' and any other number of personal attacks.

The REALLY funny thing is that he THINKS he's '50% Liberal', but in fact he's more like 5% Liberal because he is not actively on an evangelical team of hatemongers that would make religious laws to limit someone else's freedom.

Steen:

In order to see how ignorant and typically dishonest the above post is, you first have to look at the pathology of sissy-boy's behavior. He believes that anyone who stands in direct or indirect opposition to any of the numerous silly arguments he makes with vulgarity, hatefulness, and personal attack is intolerant and a hatemonger. I believe in the right for all people to free expression of imagination, creativity, spiritual practice, sexual orientation, and moral expression. In order for this freedom to apply equally, the only restrictions upon that expression can come when that expression infringes upon the rights of others. For instance, I believe that all men should be free to express their religions, but only up to the point that you directly begin to inconvenience or infinge upon the rights of others. Taking your moral convictions with you to the ballot box and voting in private is your right. Voting for representatives who will advance the agenda you identify with is how a democracy works.

I happen to be both catholic and gay. My interest in freedom for all men to express themselves in terms of their sexual orientation makes me align myself with opposition to the state restricting our rights to be LEGALLY bonded. However, my respect for the institutions and doctrines of the church AND all men's right to express themselves spiritually, leaves me no choice but to accept the Church's opposition to giving the sacrament of marriage to a couple they find morally objectionable. I find a suitable solution to be civil union...a legal bonding without forcing the church to perform it. Separation of church and state maintains its integrity and while liberty and equality are extended to all parties involved.

Sissy-boy, for all his squealing and squalling about equal rights, fails to see how intolerant he truly is. He wants respect and equality yet he wants to toss insult and attack at anyone who does not share his beliefs, even when they dont want to change his. On this forum, sissy-boy has become synonomous with hate speech and intolerance and bigotry--but even worse, he has become congruent with hypocrisy in the process.

And for the record, sissy, I have never aligned myself with liberalism because of people like you. I am a very moderate conservative...a centrist. If you knew how to read statistics and compare a spectrum, then you would have realized this. However, you are so boned to insult anyone and me especially, you flap your jaws before you think. We did discuss this problem before didnt we?:rofl
 

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jallman said:
Steen:

I believe in the right for all people to free expression of imagination, creativity, spiritual practice, sexual orientation, and moral expression.

:2funny:



That is hilarious!!! How did you like the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibition? Your church sure didn't like it much. Oh -- also, the president of the Catholic Leauge needs an apology from you. He says that you owe him an apology for bringing AIDS on to the heterosexual community. Have you sent him your letter yet?


 

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sissy-boy said:

:2funny:



That is hilarious!!! How did you like the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibition? Your church sure didn't like it much. Oh -- also, the president of the Catholic Leauge needs an apology from you. He says that you owe him an apology for bringing AIDS on to the heterosexual community. Have you sent him your letter yet?



So in other words, you are going to make another dipshit comment, not speak to the reasonable points I made, and continue to be a fuktard. I love it. Keep it coming, you're making me so full of joy I can barely contain it anymore. HAHA
 

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jallman said:
So in other words, you are going to make another dipshit comment, not speak to the reasonable points I made, and continue to be a fuktard. I love it. Keep it coming, you're making me so full of joy I can barely contain it anymore. HAHA


I was making the comment that you MAY truly feel those things, but ONLY if the given person aligns themselves to your IDEA of creativity and self expression. I have a much more free concept of such ideals while you would limit such freedoms. For instance, at the first anti-war demonstration I went to when a general strike was called in SF at the beginning of the first Gulf War a group of 100,000 people surrounded the Federal building and there were droves of queer anarchists spraying stencils that read 'Queer Love, Not War" on the sidewalks around the Federal Bldg. and I was standing in an area on the steps and could see the street below. A 60 something hippie dude was next to me and these 2 punk guys had a massive American Flag that they suddenly spread out on the pavement and they both laid upon it and began hugging and kissing on the flag. The hippie next to me said 'THAT is beautful!' -- and I was so moved by the message too that I and a whole group of others started cheering them. It was then that I knew how important it was to help defend what America stands for.

Of course you would have been disgusted by such a sight.

When the president of the Catholic League made the hateful comment about AIDS I phoned them EVERY morning for a couple months telling them that I still had not recieved my written apology for such an insidious remark. I (and no other member of the gay community) still have not received anything resembling an apology, which certainly does not say much about the Catholic Church.

So why don't you tell ME, WHERE is the humility that is missing from that picture?? Where is the GRATITUDE and forgiveness?

“Everywhere the blades turn, in every thought the butchery, and it is raw where I wander; but you hide me in the shelter of your name, and you open the hardness to tears.” ~Leonard Cohen, ‘Book of Mercy’


 
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sissy-boy said:
I was making the comment that you MAY truly feel those things, but ONLY if the given person aligns themselves to your IDEA of creativity and self expression.

That is hardly true. I dont care much for a lot of the exhibits in the MoMA in NYC, however I politely viewed them all and would never say that they arent valid works of art to some. I particularly didnt care for the musical RENT but I went and sat through it and appreciated what others saw in it. I, like my parents before me, am an avid supporter of the National Endowment ffor the Arts, even though the Endowment supports some artists that I just dont think cut it. But, there you go with the ASSumptions again. You are too funny when you make such assinine statements.


I have a much more free concept of such ideals while you would limit such freedoms.

No you hardly have a more free concept. You pretty much think that anyone who doesnt agree that you should be able to do as you please is an intolerant hatemonger and then you harass them from then on...sort of like a fly buzzing around their head. You refuse to recognize the rights of others not to view or be subjected to materials and performances they find objectionable. Whereas I believe that every expression is valid so long as it isnt infringing on the rights of others, you feel that everyone must be sunjected to whatever expressions you feel ok with. And lets not even begin to touch on your rabid hatred of Christians....That could take pages.

For instance, at the first anti-war demonstration I went to when a general strike was called in SF at the beginning of the first Gulf War a group of 100,000 people surrounded the Federal building and there were droves of queer anarchists spraying stencils that read 'Queer Love, Not War" on the sidewalks around the Federal Bldg.

Big problem with that...and it has nothing to do with free expression, so just check your sissy fit right now. Defacing public property is the problem...especially federal property. They should have all been arrested and fined heavily along with community service to repay the clean-up costs for their graffiti.


and I was standing in an area on the steps and could see the street below. A 60 something hippie dude was next to me and these 2 punk guys had a massive American Flag that they suddenly spread out on the pavement and they both laid upon it and began hugging and kissing on the flag.

Though public displays of affection to that degree are distasteful at best, I see no reason to stop them unless they were crossing the line into vulgarity and pornographic displays. Then they should be arrested, fined, and serve jail time for infringing on the rights of others not to see private bedroom activity on display in public areas. I have more of a problem with the fact that they put an American flag on the ground.


The hippie next to me said 'THAT is beautful!' -- and I was so moved by the message too that I and a whole group of others started cheering them. It was then that I knew how important it was to help defend what America stands for.

I hardly think some hippy's burnt out commentary warrants such elevation. But I can see your point about how moving the sight might have been for you.

Of course you would have been disgusted by such a sight.

Depends on whether the two punk boys were hot or not. I probably would have been disgusted had they been fat castro street trolls (no offense to you). Of course though, you're boning to insult me so you make a rash and unfounded assumption.


When the president of the Catholic League made the hateful comment about AIDS I phoned them EVERY morning for a couple months telling them that I still had not recieved my written apology for such an insidious remark. I (and no other member of the gay community) still have not received anything resembling an apology, which certainly does not say much about the Catholic Church.

First and foremost, the Catholic League is a lay organization and often times does not reflect the doctrines of the Church, but rather a political agenda by a select group of conservative catholics. Your point is moot. Thanks for playing.

So why don't you tell ME, WHERE is the humility that is missing from that picture?? Where is the GRATITUDE and forgiveness?

I guess the humility, gratitude, and forgiveness are hanging out in some undisclosed location along with your class, common sense, reasoning skills, and anything else that would make you remotely worth sharing the same air we Americans breathe.
 

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That is hardly true. I dont care much for a lot of the exhibits in the MoMA in NYC, however I politely viewed them all and would never say that they arent valid works of art to some. I particularly didnt care for the musical RENT but I went and sat through it and appreciated what others saw in it. I, like my parents before me, am an avid supporter of the National Endowment ffor the Arts, even though the Endowment supports some artists that I just dont think cut it. But, there you go with the ASSumptions again. You are too funny when you make such assinine statements.




No you hardly have a more free concept. You pretty much think that anyone who doesnt agree that you should be able to do as you please is an intolerant hatemonger and then you harass them from then on...sort of like a fly buzzing around their head. You refuse to recognize the rights of others not to view or be subjected to materials and performances they find objectionable. Whereas I believe that every expression is valid so long as it isnt infringing on the rights of others, you feel that everyone must be sunjected to whatever expressions you feel ok with. And lets not even begin to touch on your rabid hatred of Christians....That could take pages.



Big problem with that...and it has nothing to do with free expression, so just check your sissy fit right now. Defacing public property is the problem...especially federal property. They should have all been arrested and fined heavily along with community service to repay the clean-up costs for their graffiti.




Though public displays of affection to that degree are distasteful at best, I see no reason to stop them unless they were crossing the line into vulgarity and pornographic displays. Then they should be arrested, fined, and serve jail time for infringing on the rights of others not to see private bedroom activity on display in public areas. I have more of a problem with the fact that they put an American flag on the ground.




I hardly think some hippy's burnt out commentary warrants such elevation. But I can see your point about how moving the sight might have been for you.



Depends on whether the two punk boys were hot or not. I probably would have been disgusted had they been fat castro street trolls (no offense to you). Of course though, you're boning to insult me so you make a rash and unfounded assumption.




First and foremost, the Catholic League is a lay organization and often times does not reflect the doctrines of the Church, but rather a political agenda by a select group of conservative catholics. Your point is moot. Thanks for playing.



I guess the humility, gratitude, and forgiveness are hanging out in some undisclosed location along with your class, common sense, reasoning skills, and anything else that would make you remotely worth sharing the same air we Americans breathe.



To be honest, I think you did pretty good with that one. You tended to keep the personal attacks to a minimum and actually gave a few good examples.

Keep comin' back, it works if ya work it!!

Now I"m off to my film 'Red'.

PS -- I didn't see 'RENT'. Don't think I will. It sounds horrible. And I liked the Matthew Barney exhibition at the Guggenheim better than any exhibition EVER. He goes places that no other artist has gone before. Any artist who can cause the critics to either HATE or love him is doing something truly groundbreaking. He's by far my personal favorite artist since Dali and Joe Coleman. No other artist today can come close to what he does with all of his mediums.
 

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Rent? I like that song, you know what I am talking about, is it "Seasons of Love"? Something like that. I don't know if I will be able to see the film. Or if I want to...............


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