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[White]

Trailer - If Americans Only Knew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Z6UQQlnCQ

 

[The face of Jacob]

Poor Palestinian, the IDF soldiers tried to break his bones. It's sad that nobody in the film said that he was a terrorist who throw molotov bottles at Israelis.

Such a poor Palestinian.

 

[danarhea]

Poor Palestinian, the IDF soldiers tried to break his bones. It's sad that nobody in the film said that he was a terrorist who throw molotov bottles at Israelis.

Such a poor Palestinian.

And dont forget blowing up the King David Hotel...... Oops, that was your side. Honestly, I dont see any way to peace. Both sides hate each other just as much as the skinhead who posted this thread hates you. I cant do or say much about the hatred you and the Palestinians have for each other, but what I can do is repudiate the skinhead's thread. I am sorry he even exists.

I also agree that the Palestinian who threw the molotov cocktail got what was coming to him, but there are thousands of innocent women and children who did not deserve what is happening to them. Such hatred in the region..... On both sides.

 

[White]

Both sides hate each other just as much as the skinhead who posted this thread hates you.

I ain't a SKINHEAD! :doh

I am white nationalist and separatist.

 

[The face of Jacob]

And dont forget blowing up the King David Hotel...... Oops, that was your side. Honestly, I dont see any way to peace. Both sides hate each other just as much as the skinhead who posted this thread hates you. I cant do or say much about the hatred you and the Palestinians have for each other, but what I can do is repudiate the skinhead's thread. I am sorry he even exists.

I also agree that the Palestinian who threw the molotov cocktail got what was coming to him, but there are thousands of innocent women and children who did not deserve what is happening to them. Such hatred in the region..... On both sides.

lol, I didn't know that you are such an ignorant, danarhea.

The King David hotel wasn't an hotel like the Palestinians are blowing like they did in the Park hotel in the Israeli city of Netanya on Passover eve 2002.

The King David hotel was the military headquarters of the British in the land of Israel. An headquarters of an occupier who depressed the lives of thousand of Jews and prevented from the death survivors to come to Israel.

The bombing of that hotel was a legitimate attack against an army headquarters and it's not different from other military attacks in the world.

And BTW, the British soldiers warned by the ones who put the bomb that the hotel is going to blow.

I don't hate the Palestinians. I just hate the ones who want to slaughter me. It's not the land of the Palestinians. It never was and after all I recognise in their presence in the region but they are the ones who want to destroy me and to throw the Jews to the sea.

You don't see the difference between the good and the bad and you are changing the reality.

 

[Voidwar]

Honestly, I dont see any way to peace.

Why does everyone say this ?

A fight to the death is followed by peace, because the other side is DEAD.

Oh, you mean you weren't going to go all the way and get his wife and son ? ? ? Well those who will are coming down the pipe. There will be peace, when Israel exterminates Hezbollah to the last child dependant of the last dead female supporter. If she is going to train it to make war on you in 8years time, I think you should just shoot her and it. Lets use the food we would've wasted on them to feed a decent productive person instead

 

[Captain America]

I didn't know that you are such an ignorant, danarhea.

Yo Jake. You DO know that personal insult directed at danarhea is against forum rules and will not be tolerated on this site don't you?

Just a "heads-up."

Shalom.

 

[cherokee]

Trailer - If Americans Only Knew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Z6UQQlnCQ

what the Hamas and hezbolla think about their kids..

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

No, the point is, unless everyone addresses the situation honestly and self critically, there's never gonna be a solution. Because both sides are legitimate victims, just as both sides are perpatrators.

They want to slaughter you, which I agree can't be allowed to happen. But what about all of the people in Lebanon who're being killed just because Hezbollah's set up in their building? Do they deserve to die because they support Hezbollah,

Yes..............................

 

[cherokee]

Yes..............................

Thats Yes times 2

 

[Voidwar]

A third Yes for good measure.

 

[White]

Important video, watch it!:2wave:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Is this for supporting Hezbollah in particular, or for supporting any group that kills people that objectively would be viewed as innocent?

Because if it's just Hezbollah, I'd question what separates Hezbollah from other groups that kill people who objectively are viewed as innocent. And if it's everyone who supports a group that has killed and will again kill people objectively viewed as innocent, then I almost guarantee, according to this standard, almost no one deserves to live.

Pictures speak louder than words:

beirut embassy bombing (april 18, 1983):

1983 Marine barracks bombing:

Hesbollah is an enemy of the United states and anyone who supports them deserves to die.

 

[The face of Jacob]

No, the point is, unless everyone addresses the situation honestly and self critically, there's never gonna be a solution. Because both sides are legitimate victims, just as both sides are perpatrators.

They want to slaughter you, which I agree can't be allowed to happen. But what about all of the people in Lebanon who're being killed just because Hezbollah's set up in their building? Do they deserve to die because they support Hezbollah

What about all the Israelis who are being killed just because Hizbullah is firing his missiles from populated areas?

I can ask the same question about the Germans in Nazi Germany. Did the UK thought about the innocent Germans when she bombed night and days German cities and turned them into wasteland? No! she thought about her own British citizens by all right she did. Every place in which Hizbullah is firing his missiles deliberately toward Israel must be destroyed. Every country in the world would have react like that.

, the group that provides them with the most basic social services while everyone else ignores them? Think of it from their perspective, they see you, and they see the nation that's killed their family and friends, the nation that's been dropping bombs on people who were no threat to Israel, and they see Hezbollah, and they see the group that provides them the most basic social services that no one else does, and they see the group that protects them from you.

Nonsence. Hizbullah is giving them social things as much as the Nazis gave the Germans social things, so what? Hizbullah is not a social organisation. The main agenda of Hizbullah is to wipe Israel off the map. Hizbullah is a hand of Iran in Lebanon and its aim is to turn Lebanon to a She`ite Iranian brunch and to destroy Israel. Who cares for their social things while they bombing the civilians of Israel. From your words someone might think that Hizbullah are sons of mother Tereesa.

Essentially, what I'm getting at is the situation is complex, and the perspective that "we're good and they're bad" has been tried for thousands of years and has ONLY failed. Complex situations require complex solutions, and blowing up everyone who wants you dead doesn't respect the complexity of the situation.
The Israeli approach has been solely based on defense, which I agree is essential, but it doesn't entirely address the situation. The problem is that there are lots of people who want to kill Israel, and the solution has to be a combination with stopping those who want to kill her, and not inspiring the same hatred in others. If you don't balance the two, you'll never make any headway, and in another thousand years, barring one of you nuking the other one off the face of the Earth, you'll be in the exact same place you are right now.

We are doing the same thing that the allies id in WW2 and they won and so will we. A war was opened on us from Lebanon? A war Lebanon will get in return, simple as that!


Knights of double standard

Righteous who cry for ruins of Hizbullah building remain silent over destruction in Haifa
Rafi Ginat

There are situations in which the moral dilemma, as difficult and painful as it may be, demands a decision. In real moral dilemmas there is no easy decision, there is no-good decision.

For example, what's wiser: To suffer the slaughter of our best fighters to prevent the slaughter of civilians in rural south Lebanon and be the most moral army in the world, or to erase villages used as Hizbullah terror motels, save the blood of our sons and be considered less moral?

What's wiser: To act with limited forces and in doing so extend the war’s duration, the number of rockets being fired at us and the number of civilian casualties, or to use lethal force, feel less moral and establish deterrence?

The fundamental dilemma is simple and definitive: Is it right to pay a massive price, in blood and money, in order to be the most moral while the enemy and its supporters don't give a damn about morality considerations?

Europe, the mother of all double standards, describes us anyway as destroyers of cities and murderers of children. This, while shedding crocodile tears over the bitter fate of Lebanon – a country that has always been a submissive terror base and has done nothing to eradicate terror but instead said “it’s not me – it’s him.”

The knights of double standard don't bat an eyelid in the presence of the thousands of Katyushas that land in northern Israeli residents and demolish their homes and lives. The righteous who cry over the ruins of a Hizbullah building in Beirut remain silent over the ruins of the Cohen family home in Haifa.

From their perspective we are never right; we are always immoral. It doesn't matter what we do – we are always the bad guys. That's why what they think and say is not relevant to our moral dilemma; this moral dilemma is to be dealt with strictly amongst ourselves.


'This war must be won'


When fighting against a terror organization that along with its patrons declares again and again that its goal is to destroy us, is it illogical or illegitimate that we make some moral compromises? Should we not consciously decide to lower our moral standards in order to strike an enemy that has the moral capacity of horse thieves and drug dealers?

I have no problem considering myself less moral if it will save the life of one Golani soldier. For him I am ready to wash the Hizbullah terrorists with fire. I am ready to do the same to their helpers, their collaborators, the ones who turn a blind eye, and all those in contact with Hizbullah. May their innocents die instead of ours.

Following the Bint Jbeil disaster we cannot allow ourselves the moral luxury of chirurgical military operations that end in Rambam hospital chirurgic department. We are in the middle of a war, and this war must be won while crushing Hizbullah and all that it represents. We need to strike hard - and we should be allowed to feel good about it.

There is a need to put aside wailing self-flagellation coming from all sorts off frustrated directors and self-declared culture heroes. There is a need to ignore the ponderings and insolence coming from broadcasters and commentators who were blown up to degree of super commanders in chief by the cameras and the microphones.

We must look straight into the eyes of the soldiers and the commanders, to thank them, and let them do what they know how to do best.

Rafi Ginat is editor in chief of Yedioth Ahronoth


(07.29.06, 22:08)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283206,00.html

 

[teacher]

I ain't a SKINHEAD! :doh

I am white nationalist and separatist.

<white nationalist and separatist> Skinhead.

 

[MrFungus420]

Is this for supporting Hezbollah in particular, or for supporting any group that kills people that objectively would be viewed as innocent?

Because if it's just Hezbollah, I'd question what separates Hezbollah from other groups that kill people who objectively are viewed as innocent. And if it's everyone who supports a group that has killed and will again kill people objectively viewed as innocent, then I almost guarantee, according to this standard, almost no one deserves to live.

One difference is that Hizballah has the stated objective of the destruction of Israel. Hizballah has stated that they will accept no treaty, cease-fire or peace agreement with Israel. Hizballah has stated that they even consider those who would try to negotiate a peace with Israel to be their enemies.

As long as Hizballah is a part of the equation, the only solution is the annihilation of either Hizballah or Israel. Nothing less will allow peace.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Man, that's ridiculous. You know who you're talking to, and thus you know emotional appealing bullshit doesn't fly with me. If you have a logical point, ****ing make it, if not, don't waste my time.

So everyone who's an enemy of the United States deserves to die? No, let me be more clear of your claims, you claim everyone who supports any enemies of the United States deserves to die, regardless of it being reasonable, or even worse, justifiable.

You know our history as well as anyone, and you know that there are justifiable reasons to be enemies of the US. Sure, you attack us, and you're dead, I agree with that, but how do you stand on killing those who supported Saddam? I mean, his last election, he got 100% of the vote, you want to kill all Iraqis? How about those people in the former USSR who are nostalgic for Stalin's rule, do they deserve to die?

We are a great nation, but we are not a perfect nation, and we have hurt and killed many innocent people in our history, and now you've deemed someone who isn't from here, has no loyalty to this nation, being upset with us to the point that they'll support one of our enemies, who just so happens to be providing them basic infrastructure (cause, I mean, how can you justify being swayed against a nation you don't really know about by someone who's feeding you, providing you with education and medicine, while you live in abject poverty, right?) as deserving death. That is ridiculous.

If you have an actual response, I'd love to hear it. If it's more worthless bullshit, then save yourself the time.

Anyone who supports Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, et al either through material, financial, or logistical support (including providing them with a base of operations) are guilty of aiding and abetting in the murder of u.s. citizens and they deserve to die it's as simple as that. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that is guilty of murdering Americans and anyone who supports hezbollah supports the murder of u.s. citizens and they deserve to die. I really can't make it any more clear than that. This is a war against radical Islam and its adherents and you don't win a war by trying to placate the enemy you win a war by killing the enemy.

And you just said that saddam got 100% of the vote. lmfao Ya people voted for saddam at gun point they didn't support him and if you honestly believe that anyone in the Russia longs for the days of stalin then you're off your ****ing rocker. And by the way the nazi's provided healthcare and education to their people too so was it wrong to bomb the hell out of the people who put them in power? I don't ****ing think so.

From the mouth of Nassralla the head of Hezbollah:

If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)

If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. (New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002)

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23711

Yes anyone who supports this group in any way deserves to die.

 

[doughgirl]

Well it doesn’t surprise me, these men and woman on the video are Jew haters, thats plain to see.



Oh hear the sob story for the Palestinians over and over and over…………I am so sick of these people who put the Palestinians and their causes up on a blasted pedestal. They excuse everything they do. Defenseless people??????? Oh please.

I say, if Americans only knew the true nature of Islam.
If Americans only knew the real nature of this Middle Eastern conflict….

What about Palestinian terror???????? If began well before the Six Day war in 1967.

How many innocent people have they attacked and killed? What is the history of the PLO? How many people have they killed, blown up while highjacking commercial airliners? Boats?

Remember Daniel Pearl? How about Leon Klinghoffer? Jack Hensley? Keith Matthew? Paul Johnson?

How many men could you list that Israel has beheaded and cheered?

How about the Olympic team they slaughtered? How quickly the world forgets Black September. I wonder why?

“America has been under attack for a very long time although we did not fully realize it until September 11, 2001. The following is a list of Middle East Terrorist attacks which have killed Americans or have taken place on American soil. This page does not include the sneaky killings of our military fighting the War on Terror in the Middle East. It does not include the majority of Palestinian attacks against Americans in Israel. It does not include the bombings, shootings, stabbings, kidnappings, maimings and hijackings that have "merely" wounded Americans. Sadly, this is not a complete list. A separate memorial page with victims' names can be found under the index listings at the bottom of this page where Americans killed by Palestinians in Israel are included.”


http://www.americanmemorialsite.com/victims.html

Wonder how many organizations Israel has like these?


Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and Al Fatah,
Hezbollah….Al-Qaeda (The Base), Armed Islamic Group (GIA), Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (AAIA), Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM), Jaish-e-Mohammed (Army of Mohammed), Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous)
EIJ - Al-Jihad, Jihad Group, Islamic Jihad…..Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), Al-Gamaat Al-Islamiyya (IG - the Islamic Group, al-Gama'at, Islamic Gama'at, Egyptian al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya, GI)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/modern.html

Galenrox said, “But what about all of the people in Lebanon who're being killed just because Hezbollah's set up in their building? Do they deserve to die because they support Hezbollah, the group that provides them with the most basic social services while everyone else ignores them?”

And what about the Jews? Is it their fault the enemy sets up shop in civilian homes?
The Palestinians kill innocent civilians as well. and besides... who caused the fighting to break out a month ago?
Who set up an army to spy on the Jews on the border?

You want the Jews to roll over and play dead?


It is a fact that Palestinian teachers incite students to murder. They learn this from a very early age.

“An end of the year ceremony for 1650 kindergarten students run by militant Palestinian Islamic group Hamas “included a skit by children that encourage the murder of Jews as a religious COMMANDMENT. This combination of religious, political and media messages helps explain why among the many desperate peoples of the world only the Palestinians are lining up to commit suicide and homicide.”

(Charles Krauthammer, “Arafat’s Harvest of Hate,” Washington Post, 3/26/2002)

It is obvious that the international (America included) has fallen hook,line and sinker for the Palestinian exploitation of the cruel fact that death produces sympathy for its cause whenever Isralis or Palestinians are killed. The Palestinians have glorified homicide and suicide, they dehumanized Jewish victims. And as we see on this video………we also have Americans who have jumped on the PLO boat.


I think the Jews need a plane….………Enola Gay 2?


I’m curious Galenrox….Do you think America had any right to drop the bomb on Heroshima?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I ain't a SKINHEAD! :doh

I am white nationalist and separatist.

AKA, wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

The King David hotel was the military headquarters of the British in the land of Israel. An headquarters of an occupier who depressed the lives of thousand of Jews and prevented from the death survivors to come to Israel.

The bombing of that hotel was a legitimate attack against an army headquarters and it's not different from other military attacks in the world.

And BTW, the British soldiers warned by the ones who put the bomb that the hotel is going to blow.

First, a disclaimer: I support Israel in this conflict (if you're not sure, check out some of my other posts). Now my devil's advocate question. If Hamas blew up an Israeli military instalation, after warning soldiers of the attack, would you also see it as legitamite. Not that Hamas would do anything quite so uncowardly, but just curious as to your opinion.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

First, a disclaimer: I support Israel in this conflict (if you're not sure, check out some of my other posts). Now my devil's advocate question. If Hamas blew up an Israeli military instalation, after warning soldiers of the attack, would you also see it as legitamite. Not that Hamas would do anything quite so uncowardly, but just curious as to your opinion.

If it was a military target they wouldn't even need to warn them for it to be legitimate but it would be an act of war and Israel would have every right to respond with the full force of their military against them and any nation or person that harbors them.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

It's never that simple. You know enough about international relations that you know that, and you're just posturing.

That being said, I agree with you for the most part. I don't think death is neccisarily merited, but certainly, if you are assisting these groups, you need to be stopped, and if the only way to do it is by killing you, then so be it.

There's a difference between assisting and supporting. I support lots of things that I don't assist in any way. I was not speaking of those providing those means of support that you speak of, I was speaking of those who support Hezbollah in their hearts. The ones that happen to live in a building where Hezbollah has set up base, and don't move out, and end up getting blown up because of it.

If they support Hesbollah even in their hearts I don't give a damn whether they live or die they're the enemy.

But you know the complexities of the war on terror. You ignore them, because it makes it more difficult to justify the policies you support, but you know all about backlash, and that barring us nuking everywhere outside of the US, and killing everyone who's upset by that, straight up violence will never solve these problems, but instead it must be a combination of military and diplomatic tools.

Bullshit diplomacy hasn't done anything you give the Palestinians a state and they elect Hamas the Israelis pullout of Lebanon they elect Hesbollah and launch rockets into Israel. The only thing these people understand is force.

And I understand where Israel is coming from. They're at war with Hezbollah, and they view the Lebanese civilians as people who are caught in the crossfire. But guess exactly how many Lebanese people agree with that assessment of things, especially the ones who've lost family and friends to the bombings. They're not gonna say "It's too bad, but I guess it's justifiable that grandma got killed in a conflict that she had nothing to do with."

Like I said I don't give a **** about these people Hesbollah holds 23 seats in Lebanese parliament and they have overwhelming support in southern Lebanon. They deserve what they get if they don't want to die then get the hell out but they won't because they want to stay and fight with Hesbollah.

yes, but this is because you value ideology over human life. Did I ever say that they voted for him willingly? I'd like a quote. I believe I said he got 100% of the vote, and I'm just about entirely certain that I said that they voted for him willingly, or commented on the fairness of that election at all.

No you claimed that the Iraqis supported saddam because he got 100% of the vote but in reality they were forced to vote so how in the hell is that support? In contrast the palestinians voted for Hamas and the Lebanese voted for Hesbollah in fair and free elections.

How much of a say do you think the people have in Hezbollah moving into their buildings, schools, and hospitals. If someone says "Listen, I don't want to be your human shield", how much do you think Hezbollah's gonna take that? Not ****ing well. And that is the support I speak of, the tacit support of Hezbollah by those at gun point, because that's all it takes to get someone killed by Israel.

To reiterate Hesbollah took 23 seats in parliament in free elections they are not recieving tacit support in southern lebanon they are getting real support.

But you think they deserve to die. Because you value ideology over human life.

I value a bag of **** over terrorist scum and those who support them.

And that's disgusting. It's disgusting that we live in a world that anyone would support someone like that, just about as disgusting as you placing so little value on human life that you think anyone who even tacitly supports that group deserves to die.

It's not tacit support.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Voidwar:
Why does everyone say this ?

A fight to the death is followed by peace, because the other side is DEAD.

Oh, you mean you weren't going to go all the way and get his wife and son ? ? ? Well those who will are coming down the pipe. There will be peace, when Israel exterminates Hezbollah to the last child dependant of the last dead female supporter. If she is going to train it to make war on you in 8years time, I think you should just shoot her and it. Lets use the food we would've wasted on them to feed a decent productive person instead

How come your not over there killing women and children? You want to kill people so bad, how come you don't have the backbone to get your a.s.s over there and start poppin' a cap in some 4 year old muslim?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by The face of Jacob
Nonsence. Hizbullah is giving them social things as much as the Nazis gave the Germans social things, so what? Hizbullah is not a social organisation. The main agenda of Hizbullah is to wipe Israel off the map. Hizbullah is a hand of Iran in Lebanon and its aim is to turn Lebanon to a She`ite Iranian brunch and to destroy Israel. Who cares for their social things while they bombing the civilians of Israel. From your words someone might think that Hizbullah are sons of mother Tereesa.

Israel ain't got no halo's on their heads either. So what the hell have you been smoking. In some cases, you guys are just as bad as the Nazis. Your country can go to hell!

 

[White]

This topic shows it again, if you critisize jews , you're a jew hater... Ofcourse, how could i forget it...

:rofl