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Donald Trump is a Socialist (1 Viewer)

What Trump is doing is dim witted authoritarianism, which is neither left nor right, but completely stupid and shallow. All his ideas are laughable and meant as political theater, with zero chance of achieving any goal at all. He is a lazy ass who thinks he can rule by Executive Order, which do not carry the weight of law or the Constitution. They have all the heft of a Fox opinion show as far as shaping any real or effective government policy.
 
This is... objectively, mathematically, untrue?



MAGA just rushed to this board to parrot the lines they were given about How We Had A Trade Deal With China.... only for it to crumble in front of them into an Agreement on a Framework for Future Discussions.

I'm not so sure I'd be so swift to bring up the question of who is still buying spin from their own team.

Working under the presumption that Trump supporters actually believe what they are writing, Joseph Stalin himself was more economically literate than most Trump supporters who support Trump's tariffs and toe the party line on this board.
 
Plus what they ignore is….

What was the purpose again?

I thought decoupling and bringing manufacturing Home to the US was of paramount importance, for the economy, for security.

So why is a “deal” necessary?

Clearly the tariffs are meant to rebuild America's industrial base, and China will pay for it.
 
He's not a socialist. It's patrimonialism.

With tariffs Trump has the power to unilaterally place tariffs and remove or change tariffs. Heads of state, CEO's, billionaires all crawl to him asking for tariff relief and then Trump makes exceptions. A lot of time, he's getting something out of these people. He makes announcements and flip flops and people loyal to him benefit from the huge market swings by getting the news first. He talks about gutting government, but Elon and others have benefited from various deals.

It's a huge a grift and Trump uses American power to profit. He's not running in 2028 and he doesn't care what his party or America. He doesn't' have this master plan for changing American society, or, you know, it would actually seem like this stuff was planned.

He throws out tried and true rightwing red meat. Immigration, DEI, trans, everything that gets him votes while he gets to play king and make his family and friends an insane amount of money. Rich people know what's up. The minute Trump took over they knew what they needed to do. They started sucking up to him and giving him millions like Amazon giving Trump's wife a 30 million dollar deal for her biography. Or donating to his inaugural fund. Or buying his meme coin. Or staying at his properties...etc etc etc.

The presidency doesn’t really have tariff power at all. Congress delegated limited tariff power to the presidency. Trump declared a fake emergency and fake national security issues to justify his fake tariff proclamations. Trump is overstepping this limited power with his tariff games.
 
The Trump Administration has reached a deal with China, ending the trade standoff.

"The US and China have agreed on a deal to help resolve the trade war raging between the world’s two largest economies, top Trump administration officials announced Sunday.

Details of the deal, struck during negotiations in Switzerland over the weekend, were not revealed, but officials teased that more information will be shared on Monday.

“The U.S. has a massive $1.2 trillion trade deficit, so the President declared a national emergency,” US Trade Representative Jamieson Greer said Sunday. “We’re confident that the deal we struck with our Chinese partners will help us work toward resolving that national emergency.”

President Trump has imposed tariffs of up to 145% on goods from China, with China slapping retaliatory tariffs on American exports."

From what I've heard from the people I know that live in China things are a little rough there right now people are striking because they're not getting paid.

If this turns out to be true I think that's going to be good for both countries maybe even the rest of the world. I'll be interested to see what happens next if you get any updates please post them.
 
Clearly the tariffs are meant to rebuild America's industrial base, and China will pay for it.
I don't think that was ever the case. Much of the bluffing I think I heard from Donald Trump was saying I will just use the income we get from terrorists to pay for the government abolish income tax that was to get the people on his side. I never thought for a minute that he would abolish income tax I wish he would but I don't think he's going to. It was a way to sell this internationally particularly to China that the people will be happy about it even if they have to spend a little more for Chinese crap.
 
There was no real deal made due to the non emergency. More political theater from the Trump Administration. No real or factual details will ever follow.
 
Putin is the only Stalinist I know today and Trump claims he is good friends with him. You and no one else have a clue what the "deal" with China is but of course that doesn't matter to you. You are in a cult and nothing Trump does is ever less than fantastic.
This really isn't about Trump it's more about China. They have been since at least the '80s possibly before stealing our IP. Not just ours everyone's and selling knockoffs. This isn't partisan it's not because I voted for Trump or Amit Trump supporter this is what happened.

I think China is going through something right now. I've watched a lot of stuff that's promotional about China or they're talking about the Hawaii of China and comparing parts of China to the rest of the world. It shouldn't be that you should go to China because it's China and you want to experience China not Honolulu.

Maybe this will be good for China by which I mean the people.
 
I don't think that was ever the case. Much of the bluffing I think I heard from Donald Trump was saying I will just use the income we get from terrorists to pay for the government abolish income tax that was to get the people on his side. I never thought for a minute that he would abolish income tax I wish he would but I don't think he's going to. It was a way to sell this internationally particularly to China that the people will be happy about it even if they have to spend a little more for Chinese crap.

Spending a little more, CLAX1911? The problem is not that people have to pay more...though that will definitely be part of it. The problem is that 145% tariff is a trade embargo. Unless the demand is truly inelastic, no company can afford to place orders at a 145% markup due to an import tax and remain profitable. Which is why massive amounts of goods are not being ordered and are not coming in. We will be suffering from shortages of a host of consumer goods. Not just cheap baubles and dolls, mind you, but nearly everything that one can think of. And what we do have will likely skyrocket in price.

In my opinion, and going by the evidence at hand, these yo-yo tariffs have no point beyond crashing the economy and markets in order to enable a handful multi-billionaire politicians and their closest associates to sell the crests and buy the dips caused by the tariffs. There is no cognizable benefit to the American people overall.
 
Spending a little more, CLAX1911? The problem is not that people have to pay more...though that is part of it. A 145%
Well that's not the case because what was it the last ship made it across the Pacific late last week and here it is Sunday my first day of this week.

China was already selling garbage at a loss that's called the oversourcing they do this to try and eliminate competitors and they do this through government subsidies. It's not why it's fair trade you're not trading on an open market you're trading with a government that has a vested interest in putting all competitors out of business so they can charge whatever they want.

There is no point in speculating what they would do if they had a 145% tariff on goods because it's not going to happen.
tariff is a trade embargo.
That's why it's a good bargaining tool it got xi to the table. And I don't think anyone ever had to pay a single penny for this tariff.
Unless the demand is truly inelastic, no company can afford to place orders at a 145% markup due to an import tax and remain profitable.
That's why the tariffs were raised to that point. Donald Trump started at 10% put the CCP had to retaliate. Now we have a trade deal so nothing to worry about.
Which is why massive amounts of goods are not being ordered and are not coming in.
And when a country that relies on exporting manufactured goods cannot export 30% of their economy what do you think they do? Donald Trump's offering a deal and it's probably pretty fair.

You come to the table. China is having unrest and they do not like that it's a communist government. Donald Trump knew this.
In my opinion, and going by the evidence at hand, these yo-yo tariffs have no point beyond crashing the economy and markets in order to enable a handful multi-billionaire politicians and their closest associates to sell the crests and buy the dips caused by the tariffs.
You would have a point if the tariffs were going to continue but since the trade deal was reached without really ever having the burden of the tariff none of this matters and your little conspiracy of billionaires is just in your head.
There is no cognizable benefit to the American people overall.
For China to actually commit economic suicide agreed there's less interest in it for China that's why the tariffs worked to the goal Donald Trump was trying to achieve.

They will likely be pulled back to minimum or maybe even less.
 
There was no real deal made due to the non emergency. More political theater from the Trump Administration. No real or factual details will ever follow.
Are you hoping for that to be the case or do you know something that we don't know?
 
Yes, but all that same stuff hits America too. Reduced consumerism, slowing GDP, skyrocketing costs, American businesses becoming less viable internationally. We're gonna see this too. It's not a one way street on loss.
Walmart, Target, Amazon, HD, can weather the storm of high tariffs, at least for a time. Small businesses who source products and/or parts from China will be devastated. They will go bankrupt or be scooped up by some vulture capitalist. But Trump doesn't gaf about small businesses that can't pay him $1M - $5M to "meet" with him at Mar-a-Lardo or sink millions into his shitcoin.
 
Walmart, Target, Amazon, HD, can weather the storm of high tariffs, at least for a time.
Small businesses who source products and/or parts from China will be devastated.
I don't think they'll need to as the article on the op suggests they've reached a deal and it's over.

I think the people in China would suffer the most.
They will go bankrupt or be scooped up by some vulture capitalist. But Trump doesn't gaf about small businesses that can't pay him $1M - $5M to "meet" with him at Mar-a-Lardo or sink millions into his shitcoin.
Well then why did he reach a deal with Xi?
 
Trump just didn't start trade war with China, but instead the entire the world. While also attacked close allies. So China now take advantage of that as a way to strengthen the global position and reduce the impact of the trade war with the US.


 
I don't think they'll need to as the article on the op suggests they've reached a deal and it's over.

I think the people in China would suffer the most.

Well then why did he reach a deal with Xi?
There is no "deal". There was an "agreement to establish a consultation mechanism".


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The last bit is China expecting Trump to reduce tariffs.
 
There is no "deal". There was an "agreement to establish a consultation mechanism".


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The last bit is China expecting Trump to reduce tariffs.
Well the goal is to reduce the tariff after a deal has been made. That was the point in the first place it wasn't to be an evil handwringing villain.
 
I don't think they'll need to as the article on the op suggests they've reached a deal and it's over.

I think the people in China would suffer the most.

Well then why did he reach a deal with Xi?

He didn't. Nobody believes that he did, not even you.
 
Walmart, Target, Amazon, HD, can weather the storm of high tariffs, at least for a time. Small businesses who source products and/or parts from China will be devastated. They will go bankrupt or be scooped up by some vulture capitalist. But Trump doesn't gaf about small businesses that can't pay him $1M - $5M to "meet" with him at Mar-a-Lardo or sink millions into his shitcoin.
For Trump, it's all about his Oligarchy and what they can pay him for some State-sponsored returns.

But while Walmart, Target, etc can weather his insane and inane tariffs, the question is "will they?". Will they purposefully take lower revenues for a bit, particularly if a supply crunch does happen. Fewer products already would mean reduced consumerism, to take a second hit by keeping prices down in the face of higher costs might not be something they're willing to weather.

But if Trump can make sure they get a bigger piece of the pie by crushing smaller businesses and driving out competition; they might do it.
 
Trump just didn't start trade war with China, but instead the entire the world. While also attacked close allies. So China now take advantage of that as a way to strengthen the global position and reduce the impact of the trade war with the US.


No he didn't start it he ended it. With an exception of China all the terrorists are reciprocal.
 
There's been "progress" and a "consensus", no deal is signed yet. We have to wait and see what actually is agreed to.
lol.... But wait, you had rather continue to pay the 115%

China, US Slash Trade Tariffs in 90-Day Deal​


China and the U.S. have agreed to pause their reciprocal tariffs for 90 days, with both sides bringing their rates down by 115 percentage points, U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said following talks in Switzerland.

This takes the tariffs imposed on Chinese goods by President Donald Trump down to 30 percent, and those imposed on U.S. goods by Beijing to 10 percent. They will continue negotiations during the pause. :ROFLMAO:
 
Oh that's great to hear. So he's gonna stop trying to have the State exert increased control over the wealth and property of individuals who are trading across national borders then?



True! Instead of saying that it is their role to let individuals control their own wealth and property and make trades that they see as beneficial, and letting the market set prices, Socialists tend to view it more like:

We are a department store, and we set the price. I meet with the companies, and then I set a fair price, what I consider to be a fair price, and they can pay it, or they don’t have to pay it. They don’t have to do business with the United States, but I set a tariff on countries. … What I’m doing is I will, at a certain point in the not too distant future, I will set a fair price of tariffs for different countries. These are countries—some of them have made hundreds of billions of dollars, and some of them have made just a lot of money. Very few of them have made nothing because the United States was being ripped off by every, almost every country in the world, in the entire world. So I will set a price, and when I set the price, and I will set it fairly according to the statistics, and according to everything else.
...I am this giant store. It’s a giant, beautiful store, and everybody wants to go shopping there. And on behalf of the American people, I own the store, and I set prices, and I’ll say, if you want to shop here, this is what you have to pay.
That is not socialism. That's foreign policy.
 
Shouldn't be all that surprising. The GOP's economic policies have never been overly popular. I think it's comical that Democrats are still afraid of being called "socialist" when MAGA is talking about sticking it to the Wall Street elites.
I wish the Democrats messaging wouldn't be that the status quo is great but that billionaires are the reason your life sucks and not trans people, immigrants, or trade deficits.

It's hard to believe people living in the US thinks their life sucks. Possibly a small part of the population can justifiably say that. If you look around at the rest of the world, what are we missing? We've had a series of bad federal administrations that have made inferior decisions. Still, the country has survived, and the lives of the average American have improved greatly over the rest of the world. Are there things we can do better? absolutely.
 
There is no point in speculating what they would do if they had a 145% tariff on goods because it's not going to happen.

That's why it's a good bargaining tool it got xi to the table. And I don't think anyone ever had to pay a single penny for this tariff.

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