Toyota Camry to NASCAR

[Donkey1499]

Who, besides me, thinks this is the dumbest thing ever? EVER? Camry going to NASCAR Busch and Nextel Series, PAH! It makes me sick. You got car names like: FUSION, MONTE CARLO SS, CHARGER.... then this little pansy-*** name (say it slowly) C-A-M-R-Y. It just doesn't fit, so NASCAR fans MUST accquit. You got manufacturers like: Chevrolet, Ford, Dodge... then you get T-O-Y-O-T-A. Just imagine a very feminine sounding man saying Toyota Camry and that's the impression I get about it. GAY! I can't hardly believe this. Knowing NASCAR's roots I never expected little Brian France (President of NASCAR) to make a leap of traitorism like this! I mean with th redneck background of NASCAR, where have Jap cars EVER fit in? NOWHERE!!!!! American cars only!

Thank you Brian France for screwing up NASCAR. I hope you slepp well at night, ya little prick!

 

[Doremus Jessup]

You know what will be funny? When that Camry whoops on all the POS domestics. :lol: :lol:

 

[Donkey1499]

You know what will be funny? When that Camry whoops on all the POS domestics. :lol: :lol:

In ur dreams, pal! American automakers all the way!

 

[Jay R]

Aren't NASCARS all Chevy's anyway? As far as I know they're a tubular steel chassis with a GM V8 powerplant as standard, then the team choose a fibreglass body that looks vaguely like one of their production models to clothe it in. Is that still the case? American motorsport has embraced component sharing to such a degree that it makes manufacturer involvement obsolete. Doesn't Indy use all Honda and Toyota motors now? I think I heard that. Anyway America buys loads of Toyotas, where's the manufacturer loyalty there? Japanese manufacturers entering American motorsport just reflects the demographics of the market.

Max Mosely (Son of British fascist Oswald Mosely, fact fans!) head of the FIA want's more standardised components in F1, including the brakes and engine management systems. He's already got a single tyre supplier thanks to Michelin's screw up at last years US Grand Prix. I can think of nothing worse, and I don't see the big European manufacturers standing for it, I'm sure his goal is to eventually have a single car design and allow teams to paint them in their own colourscheme to differentiate. I don't see Ferrari, with over fifty years as a constructer of Grand Prix cars competing with a Toyota painted red.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

In ur dreams, pal! American automakers all the way!

Yup, all the way to market decline and bankruptcy.

Im not a Nascar fan, but you sounds like a purist. So there really isnt much I can say to you other than to ask, are you afraid of the competition?

Toyota has lots of F1 racing experience and no matter how much you praise American automakers, Toyota can do it better, and they have the money to dominate.

 

[Donkey1499]

Yup, all the way to market decline and bankruptcy.

Im not a Nascar fan, but you sounds like a purist. So there really isnt much I can say to you other than to ask, are you afraid of the competition?

Toyota has lots of F1 racing experience and no matter how much you praise American automakers, Toyota can do it better, and they have the money to dominate.

Honda I can tolerate. Toyota I can't. They're thieves. They buy out contracts. Get car owners to give info about the other makes away. and they just hand out money like it's candy. It's bad business, sneaking around and taking what they like.

Like NASCAR team owner, Bill Davis. He used Dodge trucks in the NASCAR Crafstman Truck Series and then he gave all of his Dodge R&D to Toyota, just because Toyota offered him some under the table cash. And now Toyota has a Truck in the Truck Series, which is just basically a Dodge with a Toyota symbol on it. Toyota is a bunch of crooks! They don't belong in NASCAR.

And competition has NOTHING to do with it. I enjoy competition, but not from crooks.

F1 is totally different from NASCAR, so don't try to compare the 2. And do foreign makes have to do with AMERICAN motorsports?

The American auto industry is failing in part because of Unions. Unions were the beginning of the their demise.

 

[Donkey1499]

Aren't NASCARS all Chevy's anyway? As far as I know they're a tubular steel chassis with a GM V8 powerplant as standard, then the team choose a fibreglass body that looks vaguely like one of their production models to clothe it in. Is that still the case? American motorsport has embraced component sharing to such a degree that it makes manufacturer involvement obsolete. Doesn't Indy use all Honda and Toyota motors now? I think I heard that. Anyway America buys loads of Toyotas, where's the manufacturer loyalty there? Japanese manufacturers entering American motorsport just reflects the demographics of the market.

Max Mosely (Son of British fascist Oswald Mosely, fact fans!) head of the FIA want's more standardised components in F1, including the brakes and engine management systems. He's already got a single tyre supplier thanks to Michelin's screw up at last years US Grand Prix. I can think of nothing worse, and I don't see the big European manufacturers standing for it, I'm sure his goal is to eventually have a single car design and allow teams to paint them in their own colourscheme to differentiate. I don't see Ferrari, with over fifty years as a constructer of Grand Prix cars competing with a Toyota painted red.

No they're not ALL chevrolets! Indy has a team of 2 cars that use Chevy engines.

And why are we still trying to compare F1 to NASCAR? There is no comarison. The cars are clearly different.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Honda I can tolerate. Toyota I can't. They're thieves. They buy out contracts. Get car owners to give info about the other makes away. and they just hand out money like it's candy. It's bad business, sneaking around and taking what they like.

Like NASCAR team owner, Bill Davis. He used Dodge trucks in the NASCAR Crafstman Truck Series and then he gave all of his Dodge R&D to Toyota, just because Toyota offered him some under the table cash. And now Toyota has a Truck in the Truck Series, which is just basically a Dodge with a Toyota symbol on it. Toyota is a bunch of crooks! They don't belong in NASCAR.

Crook implies theft, and from reading what you wrote I take that they didnt steal anything, they bought it.

F1 is totally different from NASCAR, so don't try to compare the 2. And do foreign makes have to do with AMERICAN motorsports?

I didnt, I was merely commenting on their aptitude for motorsports.

The American auto industry is failing in part because of Unions. Unions were the beginning of the their demise.

Too true, but they dont take the full blame.

 

[Caine]

You know what will be funny? When that Camry whoops on all the POS domestics. :lol: :lol:

Yeah, like he said, in your dreams!

Think about the people who are going to run the Camry.....

Michael Waltrip Racing............... Mikey is a joke, he is a good advertiser thats about it

Red Bull Racing.................. Red Bull? Who are they? New teams? Just look how "Hall of Fame" racing is doing....

Bill Davis Racing.................. Bill Davis racing sucks too.... ever seen one of them win a race?

And on a part time Level....
Germain Racing.........................They do good in trucks, but trucks are a whole different ballgame compared to Stock Cars.......


So, Toyota has no chance, and those who are moving over and going to wish they hadn't done so.

 

[Doremus Jessup]

GM would have died a few years ago if Toyota hadn't come over and showed them how to run a plant. With that deal they also created the NUMMI plant where both Toyotas and GMs are built. Chevy/Geo Prism is a Corolla. Pontiac Vibe is a Matrix, I'm sure there are more, those are just off the top of my head.

Here's some Toyota Motorsports history: http://www.toyota.com/motorsports/about.html

In 1967, Toyota got its first taste of American auto racing when it joined forces with Carroll Shelby to develop a race-modified Toyota 2000 GT for campaigning in the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) C-Production class. While Porsche was its main competitor, it took only a short period of time until the 2000 GT was consistently earning victories. The program, however, was discontinued after one year of competition.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

They also sold the Toyota Cavalier for Chevy in Japan. And in recent news I hear Toyota is looking to save GM again...

 

[ngdawg]

Yeah, like he said, in your dreams!

Think about the people who are going to run the Camry.....

Michael Waltrip Racing............... Mikey is a joke, he is a good advertiser thats about it

Red Bull Racing.................. Red Bull? Who are they? New teams? Just look how "Hall of Fame" racing is doing....

Bill Davis Racing.................. Bill Davis racing sucks too.... ever seen one of them win a race?

And on a part time Level....
Germain Racing.........................They do good in trucks, but trucks are a whole different ballgame compared to Stock Cars.......


So, Toyota has no chance, and those who are moving over and going to wish they hadn't done so.

Don't be hating my Mikey.
It remains to be seen what Toyota can do. They're big in the Craftsman Series, so the next logical step would be Nextel and since the other GM plates won't step up and Chrysler only has Dodge in there, makes sense to add some competition. Chevy, Ford, Dodge every time gets a bit stale.
Besides, how much of a Chevy, Ford, Dodge do you really think they're using anyway? Body with heavy mods is probably about it. Rest is in name only.

 

[Donkey1499]

I read on Jay-Ski (an affiliate of ESPN) that next year, NASCAR will be using a common template car for 16 races. Then it 08 it will be 26 races, then in 09 it will be all races. The common template will make all the cars exactly the same (ooohh JOY.... just like Indy and F1. How frickin' original!:roll: ). It will have a huge wing on the back and the only way you can tell which make each drive gets their funding from is which ever manufacturer is written on the hood (kinda like Indy cars again!). This is rubbish. Cuz now it eliminates ALL competition amongst the manufacturers. This is all going against everything NASCAR was built on.

I'll give it 5 more years, but if it gets too gay then I guess I'll just watch football. It's bad enough that all the cars just freight train around the super speedways, with barely any passing. Now they'll do it every where. The cars won't be very equal. It'll be the same 5 drivers up front every week, every year. Just like Indy and F1.

 

[Jay R]

Aren't NASCARS all Chevy's anyway? As far as I know they're a tubular steel chassis with a GM V8 powerplant as standard, then the team choose a fibreglass body that looks vaguely like one of their production models to clothe it in. Is that still the case?

No they're not ALL chevrolets!

I read on Jay-Ski (an affiliate of ESPN) that next year, NASCAR will be using a common template car for 16 races. Then it 08 it will be 26 races, then in 09 it will be all races.

Guess I wasn't too far off then huh?

The common template will make all the cars exactly the same (ooohh JOY.... just like Indy and F1. How frickin' original!).

Huh? Want to run that buy me again? In Formula 1, McLaren, Williams, Red Bull Racing, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri Racing, Midland F1, are all independent teams that source motors from the factory supported manufacturers and other components (brakes, tyres, suspension, wheels) from a variety of technical partners and specialists. They have to design their own chassis to attach those components to because it is in the rules that they have to do so, off the shelf customer cars are prohibited. They also have to assemble the car themselves.

Honda, Toyota, BMW, Renault, and Ferrari are all manufacturer teams who design both chassis and engines while sourcing other components from their technical partners. Honda, Toyota and Ferrari sell engines to independent teams (Super Aguri, Midland, and Red Bull respectively).

And why are we still trying to compare F1 to NASCAR? There is no comarison. The cars are clearly different.

We both have a problem with the guys running the sports we follow, I was just trying to find some common ground between us as motorsports fans. Despite the obvious differences in the two disicplines it seems we both prefer to see competition between manufacturers to design the best machinery, in addition to the competition between teams and drivers.

One question, why don't you see a new team joining as a good thing for NASCAR? It means that the sport is growing and attracting new competitors, not to mention presenting the opportunity for domestic American teams to humiliate Toyota on track.