Tourist 'refused entry into US' and jailed over bald JD Vance meme

Bergslagstroll said:

The first example show the abuse of power and lies from border agencies [deflection removed]. Quotes
from that source.

"Petrova was charged with smuggling earlier this month as U.S. District Judge Christina Reiss in Burlington set the hearing date on her petition. Reiss ruled Wednesday that the immigration officers’ actions were unlawful, that Petrova didn’t present a danger, and that the embryos were non-living, non-hazardous and “posed a threat to no one.”

Petrova’s lawyer, Gregory Romanovsky, had asked Reiss to issue an order to stop the possibility of ICE re-detaining her if she is also released from detention in Massachusetts.

Reiss said she was reluctant “to enjoin an executive agency from undertaking future actions which are uncertain” and would rely on U.S. Department of Justice attorney Jeffrey Hartman’s comments that the government has no intention at this time to re-arrest Petrova."

Also in the second examples it would have cost a lot less for the tax payers to have her driven to an international airport instead o detaining her fir eleven days. That cruelty and filling the pockets of private prison companies is the goal.

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I appreciate that you agree that they were terrible examples of trying to show an overreach. CBP is certainly within their authority to reject someone smuggling biological research samples into the US and lying to them about it, as the judge affirmed. And in the second case the woman created a bunch of false documents to get into the US, was rejected, and tried to sneak into a different port of entry.

dcsports said:

I appreciate that you agree that they were terrible examples of trying to show an overreach. CBP is certainly within their authority to reject someone smuggling biological research samples into the US and lying to them about it, as the judge affirmed. And in the second case the woman created a bunch of false documents to get into the US, was rejected, and tried to sneak into a different port of entry.

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The judge find CPB action unlawful and looking a person up for months and charging her with smuggling for failing to declare embryos that was non-living, non-hazardous and posed no threat seems very excessive. That before she could have gotten a fine and allowed to return to French if CPB wanted to be strict.


There the excessive action is also affecting American citizens. That for example an American citizen was in a traffic accident with borde agents and allowed to leave. While later federal agencies violently raided his house and arrested him.

snakestretcher said:

What has that to do with DENYING ENTRY to Britain?

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Are you arguing that it's better that the UK will allow entry, then arrest the person, jail them, hold them, and then deport them, I would be very confused as why that is better than simply denying entry?

Bergslagstroll said:

There the excessive action is also affecting American citizens. That for example an American citizen was in a traffic accident with borde agents and allowed to leave. While later federal agencies violently raided his house and arrested him.

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Yeah, but that's only because ICE is staffed by proudboys, J6ers, and other white christian nationalist scum.

Bergslagstroll said:

The judge find CPB action unlawful and looking a person up for months and charging her with smuggling for failing to declare embryos that was non-living, non-hazardous and posed no threat seems very excessive. That before she could have gotten a fine and allowed to return to French if CPB wanted to be strict.

Harvard scientist Kseniia Petrova charged with smuggling as she fights deportation

Feds file smuggling charge against Petrova after Judge Christina Reiss questioned a CBP officer's authority to strip her of her student visa.

eu.usatoday.com

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You aren't helping your position at all. Both cases had zero to do with someone visiting. Noting that you dropped one, and this one was far more complicated than you suggested, including that she didn't want to go back to her home country. She also clearly did know it was illegal to bring the samples into the US, and lied about it.

"In the criminal complaint, the government alleges Petrova was warned by colleagues via text messages that she needed to get permits to bring in the samples. She told customs officers she “was not sure about embryos specifically,” according to the complaint."

It also doesn't say that "before she would have gotten a fine and be returned to France". That's what her lawyers were asking for because she held multiple visas.

"But her lawyers argue CBP could have issued a fine and allowed her to return to France; she has a visa that allows her to travel in Europe."

Bergslagstroll said:

There the excessive action is also affecting American citizens. That for example an American citizen was in a traffic accident with borde agents and allowed to leave. While later federal agencies violently raided his house and arrested him.

Mother and young kids inside during explosive Huntington Park raid; suspect not home

Dozens of federal agents used explosives to raid a Huntington Park home Friday morning, but the suspect they were looking for wasn’t there — his girlfriend and young children were. After explosions blew out the windows, agents in tactical gear kicked down the front door and stormed the home on...

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And this is something entirely different that has zero to do with CBP stopping people coming into the country. SMH.

dcsports said:

You aren't helping your position at all. Both cases had zero to do with someone visiting. Noting that you dropped one, and this one was far more complicated than you suggested, including that she didn't want to go back to her home country. She also clearly did know it was illegal to bring the samples into the US, and lied about it.

"In the criminal complaint, the government alleges Petrova was warned by colleagues via text messages that she needed to get permits to bring in the samples. She told customs officers she “was not sure about embryos specifically,” according to the complaint."

It also doesn't say that "before she would have gotten a fine and be returned to France". That's what her lawyers were asking for because she held multiple visas.

"But her lawyers argue CBP could have issued a fine and allowed her to return to France; she has a visa that allows her to travel in Europe."



And this is something entirely different that has zero to do with CBP stopping people coming into the country. SMH.

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So you think it is ok to look someone up for months and bring smuggling charges for failing to declare material that is completely unharmful? Also the judge found the decision unlawful.

For example the Australia that has much more vulnerable fauna and flora only offers fines even if material is high biological risk. While only revoking visas in serious cases.


Also in the other cases no charges were brought and the agents even told her that she hadn't done anything illegal. So why detain her for eleven days under horrible conditions? Such cases make academics and tourists stay away from the US. While as I show the abuse of power also hurts American citizens. There even senators are being handcuffed.

Bergslagstroll said:

So you think it is ok to look someone up for months and bring smuggling charges for failing to declare material that is completely unharmful?

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I didn't say anything was 'ok' - but it has zero to do with the topic or supporting your original point. But what she was doing was absolutely illegal in every definition. She was a foreign national, smuggling experimental biological samples into the US, intentionally, and lying to CBP about it when caught. 'Harmless' according to her attorney - but CBP wouldn't know that until after investigating. And it's very, very, different than what Australia is referring to.

Bergslagstroll said:

Also in the other cases no charges were brought and the agents even told her that she hadn't done anything illegal. So why detain her for eleven days under horrible conditions? Such cases make academics and tourists stay away from the US. While as I show the abuse of power also hurts American citizens. There even senators are being handcuffed.

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It was illegal, and she's fortunate she didn't get charged. Even her mother told her not to try to sneak in through Mexico. Yes, she complained about conditions, but detention facilities aren't designed for comfort. And 11 days really isn't an excessive amount of time to dispose of the case, especially given that it was resolved in her favor.

And again, neither of these are supporting a point that there's a big issue with CBP is refusing access to ordinary travelers in any quantity. They do absolutely support that they take LYING to them (in all three cases discussed) seriously, which they should.

Bergslagstroll said:

Many Americans states allow the use, possession and sale of marijuana. So does Trump plan to revoke that right

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He can't compel states to recriminalize it, but he certainly could make marijuana enforcement a priority at the DEA.

Bergslagstroll said:

Or if he doesn't plan to do that why still target tourists?

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I don't know what you mean by "target tourists." Aliens are inadmissible if they've violated controlled substance laws. This has been the case for decades. Thirty five years, in fact, since the passage of Public Law 101-649 (The Immigration Act of 1990), is how long it's been since admitting to having committed the essential elements of a violation of a law relating to controlled substances will get you refused admission. Prior to 1990, only a conviction for this would have sufficed, but the idea of an alien being inadmissible for admitting to the essential elements of a crime go back to at least 1952 when the Immigration and Nationality Act was passed and included such a provision as a basis for refusing someone for having committed certain crimes. Refusing aliens for being inadmissible is totally normal and unremarkable.

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Also have the government under Trump warn tourists that they will be denied entry to the US if they tried marijuana?

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It is a question in the online application to use the Visa Waiver Program ("Have you ever violated any law related to possessing, using, or distributing illegal drugs?") and the DS-160 Nonimmigrant Visa Application ("Have you ever violated, or engaged in a conspiracy to violate, any law relating to controlled substances?"). Both warn that responses must be truthful. Why a person would think they should be entitled to enter to a country when they lied while asking permission to do so is beyond my comprehension.

W_Heisenberg said:

I trust this Norwegian tourist, Mads Mikkelsen, 1000x more than I will ever trust Trump or anyone in Trump's administration. I trust this Norwegian newspaper, which is over 100 years old, 1000x more than Fox News. I don't trust you. I don't trust Trump. I don't trust your fascist, bullshit authoritarian agenda. Nobody wants to live like this. All of this terror we are visiting upon foreigners will turn on us eventually. It is already happening. MAGA is fascism. I want nothing to do it with it. I don't want war. I don't want a totalitarian police state. EVERYTHING that is happening is wrong. This is not okay. Yes, this is anti-Trump because nobody wants to live like this. If you are not already anti-Trump there's something wrong with YOU!

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Settle down and don't look fondly at clock towers.

No matter how much of a partisan hack one is no one is losing their freedoms in our country and your day to day life is no different today than it was over the past 4 years. I could have worked myself up into a lather over some of the stuff I saw happening during Biden's 4 years but it's just not something I chose to do. It's just a silly way to spend time and energy.

Let go of the anger and concentrate on making yourself the best version of you.

Risky Thicket said:

It is always a rude awakening returning to the United States by air. Most of the world isn’t subjected to being shouted at by customs and security upon entry. It is standard in U.S. airports. Americans are used to it. We incarcerate more people per capita than any nation on earth. We’re number one, we’re number one!

Is it then any real surprise how the U.S. government now treats people from other nations?

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I've never seen a bad experience coming through either cross border or airport security/customs in many countries. Even the idiot in front of us that tried to bring a partial bottle of rum through security on his trip to the Caribbean was treated fairly.

Maybe it's just you.