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Torture

Should we torture prisoners?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • No.

    Votes: 22 56.4%

  • Only in some cases

    Votes: 12 30.8%

  • I don't know.

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Total voters
    39
Gandhi>Bush said:
No. Does being captured in a war negate all rights and make one unworthy of common decency?
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No to rights, and yes to decency. War is war and a prisoner is a prisoner. Don't confuse the acts of war with the court system and certainly don't mistake the Constitution for world law.
 
No to rights, and yes to decency. War is war and a prisoner is a prisoner. Don't confuse the acts of war with the court system and certainly don't mistake the Constitution for world law.
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If he follows the steps of Ruth Bader Ginsburg then he wants to consult foriegn law instead of the constition.
 
GySgt said:
No to rights, and yes to decency. War is war and a prisoner is a prisoner. Don't confuse the acts of war with the court system and certainly don't mistake the Constitution for world law.
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If these men are not guilty, they should not be imprisoned. If they are innocent, they do not have any means to proving it. That is an injustice.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
If these men are not guilty, they should not be imprisoned. If they are innocent, they do not have any means to proving it. That is an injustice.
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No ****! If they are not guilty, they should not be imprisoned. Why are you trying to argue common sense?

How do you know they are not guilty? How do you know that releasing one, because you don't have definitive proof will result in three dead Marines and twenty Iraqi civilians? In war, the suspicion of guilt will land you in a camp. This has always been the case and this will always be the case.

Why are we even discussing these matters? You know we two exist on the extreme opposite side of the spectrum.
 
GySgt said:
How do you know they are not guilty? How do you know that releasing one, because you don't have definitive proof will result in three dead Marines and twenty Iraqi civilians? In war, the suspicion of guilt will land you in a camp. This has always been the case and this will always be the case.
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We always be the right and let our enemies be the wrong, regardless of the costs.

Why are we even discussing these matters? You know we two exist on the extreme opposite side of the spectrum.
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Does that mean we are to avoid one another like some sort of plague?
 
GySgt said:
No ****! If they are not guilty, they should not be imprisoned. Why are you trying to argue common sense?

How do you know they are not guilty? How do you know that releasing one, because you don't have definitive proof will result in three dead Marines and twenty Iraqi civilians? In war, the suspicion of guilt will land you in a camp. This has always been the case and this will always be the case.

Why are we even discussing these matters? You know we two exist on the extreme opposite side of the spectrum.
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The Nazis had some really good anti-partisan tatics that were very effective. Perhaps the Marines should adopt those tatics heh heh. Just kidding Gunny.
 
Originally Posted by Gandhi>Bush:
Can you name a prisoner in the US who didn't get a trial?
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Carlos Padilla.
 
Billo_Really said:
Carlos Padilla.
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Come on Bill, you got to tell us about this guy. You bring his name and then offer no explanation and it sounds like it would be pretty cool.
 
Originally Posted by jamesrage
What is is he accused of?
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That's just it. He's an American citizen that is being held without charges.
For the last 3 years!
 
Come on Bill, you got to tell us about this guy. You bring his name and then offer no explanation and it sounds like it would be pretty cool.
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TimmyBoy has a point Billo.
 
That's just it. He's an American citizen that is being held without charges. For the last 3 years!
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Well Billo what is Carlos Padillia acused of?Provide a link.
 
Originally Posted by jamesrage
Well Billo what is Carlos Padillia acused of?
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I can't answer that! Because his lawyer can't get the government to file charges!
 
I can't answer that! Because his lawyer can't get the government to file charges!
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How about you can't answer that because you are just trying to blow smoke up our asses.Did you even google the name,did you even get the name right?
 
THe only Padillia that I can think of is the Dirty bomb suspect Jose Padillia.They talked about how he tried to make a dirty bomb on the Nova special on dirty bombs.Looks like you did not get your facts straight Billo or either you are some racist who thinks all hispanics have a first name of Carlos.
 
jamesrage said:
THe only Padillia that I can think of is the Dirty bomb suspect Jose Padillia.They talked about how he tried to make a dirty bomb on the Nova special on dirty bombs.Looks like you did not get your facts straight Billo or either you are some racist who thinks all hispanics have a first name of Carlos.
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You do realize that at this point you're just talking to yourself, right?
 
What say you Billo? Busted on two different threads for your BS at the same time. Funny.
 
Billo_Really said:
I can't answer that! Because his lawyer can't get the government to file charges!
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Bill O ' REALLY, couldn't this detained person file a suit for false impisonment if they don't charge him?
 
Originally posted by TimmyBoy:
Bill O ' REALLY, couldn't this detained person file a suit for false impisonment if they don't charge him?
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Not like they haven't tried.

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OK. So it's Jose. So what. Same guy. Bad scene for our country. Perfect example of our Constitution getting scraped! No one can argue we have more civil rights under Bush. We have less. And it is going to get worse.
 
OK. So it's Jose. So what. Same guy. Bad scene for our country. Perfect example of our Constitution getting scraped! No one can argue we have more civil rights under Bush. We have less. And it is going to get worse.
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You got the name wrong.And you got this wrong"No one can argue we have more civil rights under Bush. We have less. And it is going to get worse".
 
Originally Posted by jamesrage
EX PARTE QUIRIN
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The practice of ex parte motions is the most cowardly and gutless part of our judicial system. Ex parte is for ******s!
 
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