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So many things for these guys to stand up to Obama about. Where have they been for the past six years?
We have seen the photos of Americans scrambling to leave Vietnam. We know terrorists will win the war in Iraq, with the United States not even having a drop of oil they were accused being the reason they were there. In Afghanistan they were being defeated by a third world bunch of goat herders, a deserter is the hero, and the main subject of conversation in any possible conflict is 'exit strategy'.
Do people who intend to win ever talk of an 'exit strategy'? Only today's Americans, as far as I can tell.
Someone clearly doesnt understand the recent history of the withdrawal process that happened in 2008-2011..
Gen. Amos is about to retire, he should have grown a pair a few years ago.
But he at least stopped Marines from adopting wearing girly hats that Valerie Jarrett was behind of.
Gen. Amos is no Gen. Mattis who was just recently fired by Obama and Obama didn't even have one testicle to inform Gen. Mattis that he was fired, he had to find out from the press. Any Generals who stands up for America,the military and objects of Obama using the military for leftist social engineering walks the plank.
This is the second Marine General in just two weeks to send up a red flag about Obama, the other Marine General was Gen. Kelly. (See active thread in the DP military forum)
When are the other Navy, Army and Air Force flag officers going to grow a pair ?
the ISIS threat is new....
Is it really the place of the military though to question a sitting president. I would argue that the military should stay out of political matters to show they aren't just for one group of Americans or not.
That is the job of all members of the JCS, to tell the CnC the facts.
Only an idiot be he a President/CnC, flag officer, field grade officer or company grade officer surrounds himself with "yes men."
Obama is an idiot and is also an incompetent CnC.
Unlike the other military chief commanders, the Commandant of the Marine Corps wears a second hat, "Corps, Country and God" and to defend and protect the Marine Corps customs and traditions. Gen. Amos has been accused of not filling the boots of the Commandants that served before him. But he seems to have grown a pair recently.
Gen. Mattis walked the plank when he put the Corps and America before social engineering and America's national security before Obama.
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Yeah well sorry, Americans aren't interested in decades of occupation of Iraq. And Bush was wrong to invade Iraq, that's been established sooooooo many times.
I'm not arguing that he shouldn't raise his concerns. My problem is that he makes those statements public, which undermines the authority of the CnC.
It doesn't undermine the authority of the JCS, According to former Secretary of Defence Gates and Panetta, Obama ignored the advice of his military advisers. Gates went further to say that the Obama White House don't trust the military. Even Admiral, McRaven said that the military has been left out of the loop when it comes to national security issues.
Do you know who's in charge of America's national security ? Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and incompetent people who couldn't make it in the private sector.
I think what finally caused two four star generals to go public with in two weeks was the four hundred thousands illegal aliens who have surged across our borders since April, over 50,000 of them juveniles that the Obama administration still claims to be secured. That's what caused Gen. Kelly to go public last week. And even Sec. of Def. Hagel agreed with Gen. Kelly and Obama and his White House still ignores Kelly.
Just look at Obama's failed foreign affairs policies, just compare the world today to 2008. It's one big ****ing basket case.
Putin plays geopolitical chess while Obama plays checkers and makes a stupid comment that geopolitics became obsolete at midnight on January 1'st 2000. Oh yeah, John Kerry also quoted Obama.
Obama has been a national security risk since 2009.
I'm fine with retired generals and those in the national security team speaking out about the problems this White House has with the military. My issue is the fact that when you pick a side and wear the uniform, and you have a sitting general opposing a democratically elected president, that's a dangerous precedent and is how coups happened. If you want to speak out, retire and then say whatever you want.
What is your opinion of General Billy Mitchel ?
He described Japans attack on Pearl Harbor to a "T" back in 1925. He walked the plank for doing so.
The vast majority of those serving in the military and WW ll vets sided with MacArthur not Truman.
I could list more than a few dozen company and field grade and flag officers who went public complaining about how the war in Vietnam was being mismanaged/micromanaged and fought.
There are some exceptions, you ever hear of Carlson Raiders of the Marines Raiders of WW ll ? In the late 1940's Brig. Gen. Carlson resigned his commission as a Brig. Gen. so he could testify before Congress to save the Marine Corps and tell Congress that President Truman was one big ****ing ass hole big time.
Truman would confirm it when he fired Gen. MacArthur.
So many things for these guys to stand up to Obama about. Where have they been for the past six years?
Plus pink slips for those in battle. Sending pink slips to a war zone | New York Post
And over 500 generals have gone since Obama took over.
This is no accident. Few will want to serve in the United States military again when they know they'll get pink slipped and will, as in Iraq and Afghanistan, have been injured or seen their loved ones die for nothing. It's a modern tragedy on the highest scale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9uZdfqv3Hc
While I agree on principle with what you're saying, and don't believe a current military officer should be getting involved publicly in political matters, aren't you concerned in the least that we now have a terrorist organization that clearly would love to kill as many Americans as possible in control of half of Iraq?
Come on Montecresto, in hindsight it's a no brainer to say we were wrong to invade Iraq. But President Clinton had eight years to deal with Saddam Hussein and Bush just followed the Iraq Liberation Act that President Clinton signed in to law.
And Americans have a problem with any war that lasted more than a few years and it always takes Americans around twenty years after a war before they get that feeling again to kick some ass.
Would you classify them as wins? The Islamists certainly look at them as defeats and point to them as examples of American weakness.The three conflicts that you mentioned were NOT US defeats. There's a point that (unless you can't to begin colonizing... which at this point might not be a bad idea) their own people have to stand or fall on their own. It's not our fault they can't get their **** together.
Maybe this general should learn to shut his ****ing mouth!
I'm sure he doesn't give a **** at this point, but General Amos just might find himself retiring a bit sooner than planned.
Obama doesn't like it one bit when his Generals criticize him. He's like a little boy that way.
"I don't like the way you talk about me! I'll get you for that!"
If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?So Amos and other brass have always been accepting of their subordinates down the chain of command openly criticizing them in public?
If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?
Would you classify them as wins? The Islamists certainly look at them as defeats and point to them as examples of American weakness.
If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?
I'd say we achieved our objectives, and for Iraq, it was to provide them an environment in which a democracy could thrive. It's not our responsibility to run their governments. Unless we wanted to have a true imperialist attitude and actually start annexing some of these places and putting them under our rule. That's the only way people in that part of the world won't start up killing one another.
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