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'Top kill' method 'slows BP oil leak' in Gulf of Mexico [edited]

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

About Effing time......
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

I hope its true too...yesterday they said it was stopped but the cameras showed it clearly pumping away, not even touched, then, they shut the camera off. Seems that even though it has been giving a live feed for 36 days, as soon as they said the leak was stopped...the camera 'dies'. I dunno...

I mentioned something about taking 5 of the people in this forum, putting them in a room for a few hours and having a solution. Im betting in 5 MINUTES they could have come up with the solution that they decided on. This thing has been a disaster since day one. I HOPE that all politics aside they finally get this stopped and get underway with the cleanup.
 

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I hope its true too...yesterday they said it was stopped but the cameras showed it clearly pumping away, not even touched, then, they shut the camera off. Seems that even though it has been giving a live feed for 36 days, as soon as they said the leak was stopped...the camera 'dies'. I dunno...

I mentioned something about taking 5 of the people in this forum, putting them in a room for a few hours and having a solution. Im betting in 5 MINUTES they could have come up with the solution that they decided on. This thing has been a disaster since day one. I HOPE that all politics aside they finally get this stopped and get underway with the cleanup.
I vote "use a giant cork!"
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

I hope its true too...yesterday they said it was stopped but the cameras showed it clearly pumping away, not even touched, then, they shut the camera off. Seems that even though it has been giving a live feed for 36 days, as soon as they said the leak was stopped...the camera 'dies'. I dunno...

I mentioned something about taking 5 of the people in this forum, putting them in a room for a few hours and having a solution. Im betting in 5 MINUTES they could have come up with the solution that they decided on. This thing has been a disaster since day one. I HOPE that all politics aside they finally get this stopped and get underway with the cleanup.
How do you know it was oil you were seeing and not the mud?
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

How do you know it was oil you were seeing and not the mud?
Well er er hmm it was brown in color so must be oil yeah?
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Well er er hmm it was brown in color so must be oil yeah?
Hmm so all that stuff my toilet blased out must've been oil, too.
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Even BP is now saying they won't know until Sunday whether or not the 'Top Kill' method is working. The color of what is coming out of the hole now is clearly different than before they started this, but to it the fact that it is still coming up tells me that it hasn't worked... yet...
 

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Even BP is now saying they won't know until Sunday whether or not the 'Top Kill' method is working. The color of what is coming out of the hole now is clearly different than before they started this, but to it the fact that it is still coming up tells me that it hasn't worked... yet...
The mud they're pumping in needs time to solidify, especially since it had to first build up in a channel which is under pressure. That takes time.

It makes sense that the well would still leak out, but as time goes on the flow will lessen.
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Did you not see the monkey feet or are you trying to sneak some vile racist crap in here.

That's really sickening--there's an obvious allusion to a monkey in a zoo throwing his ****. You can't be that ignorant. You have to know how totally inappropriate this.

Why don't you go post that on Stormfront?
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

The mud they're pumping in needs time to solidify, especially since it had to first build up in a channel which is under pressure. That takes time.

It makes sense that the well would still leak out, but as time goes on the flow will lessen.
...if it works, that is... which we all are hoping it will... However, even BP admits that they won't know if it is working or not until at least Sunday...
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

My dad works for the MMS. BP has NOT plugged the leak. My father receives hourly updates directly from the command center in Houston and while they are making progress, they have definitely NOT plugged this leak. The coast guard was incorrect.

This isn't breaking news, its flat out wrong.
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

My dad works for the MMS. BP has NOT plugged the leak. My father receives hourly updates directly from the command center in Houston and while they are making progress, they have definitely NOT plugged this leak. The coast guard was incorrect.

This isn't breaking news, its flat out wrong.
We are all HOPING it is working, but as you correctly point it, success has not occurred yet, nor is it guaranteed at this point...
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Fixed the thread title to reflect the BBC's updated title.
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

This "Top Kill" is to make you feel better that something is being attempted.

For the most part it is nonsense.
Were talking about trying to plug a firehose with a pixy stick, and the pressure that this well is under at the moment is incalcuable. Its under 5000 feet of water (8lbs a gallon) and between 10-20 thousand feet (not reported for this rig yet) below the sea floor. This will be America's Chernobyl and the largest oil spil ever because it likely wont end till the intercept well reaches it in August. Stop buying the political games, its clear that its meant to manipulate you and the markets.
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Did you not see the monkey feet or are you trying to sneak some vile racist crap in here.

That's really sickening--there's an obvious allusion to a monkey in a zoo throwing his ****. You can't be that ignorant. You have to know how totally inappropriate this.

Why don't you go post that on Stormfront?
I thought they looked like a Baboons feet, could be wrong though!
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Originally Posted by hazlnut

Did you not see the monkey feet or are you trying to sneak some vile racist crap in here.

That's really sickening--there's an obvious allusion to a monkey in a zoo throwing his ****. You can't be that ignorant. You have to know how totally inappropriate this.

Why don't you go post that on Stormfront?
I thought they looked like a Baboons feet, could be wrong though!
I love Steve Bell cartoons, doesn't matter that they smacked Bush hard. The guy was hilarious during the Bush years.
Thanks to your vocal opposition, I will augment more in the future, but this particular cartoon is recyclable for Obama in a whole host of ways simply because Obi is in way over his head.
It shows.

This particular version, "Daddy, you plug the hole yet?" is a perfect fit for President Top Kill.
He inserted his daughter into the mix, and... well... can you say "hand in glove"?

Obi thought he was clever when he tried to bring her into the mix at the Presser to kill criticism of his ineptitude.
Also to try to leave the impression HE... THE ONE we have been waiting for... plugged the hole.
Well... I think it begged for ridicule.

Hence this version.

Enjoy. :)

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PS. Haznut. Do I hear an apology?
 
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

See how well they can be adapted?
Could be used just as easily for his and Democrats love of illegal aliens.
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

I heard a Coast Guard official on the radio this morning say that no oil is getting out of the well while the mud is being pumped, that what we see coming out of the well is just mud. It was suggested that even if the top-kill project doesn't work, that we keep pumping mud into the well until the relief wells are finished since doing so has stopped the oil spill.

If top-kill doesn't work then the next step is to slice off the top half of the BOP and attach a dome to it to suck the oil up to tankers.
 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

I heard a Coast Guard official on the radio this morning say that no oil is getting out of the well while the mud is being pumped, that what we see coming out of the well is just mud. It was suggested that even if the top-kill project doesn't work, that we keep pumping mud into the well until the relief wells are finished since doing so has stopped the oil spill.

If top-kill doesn't work then the next step is to slice off the top half of the BOP and attach a dome to it to suck the oil up to tankers.
Purely out of curiosity I'd like to know how many tons of mud they're using and how many tens of thousands of golf balls they have used to assist with plugging the hole.

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Purely out of curiosity I'd like to know how many tons of mud they're using and how many tens of thousands of golf balls they have used to assist with plugging the hole.

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As of a report I heard last night they've used about 2 million gallons of a modified 'heavy drilling mud'. I'll have time to look into this in depth later and give links, but from what I understand the mud has the consistency of a heavy paste, contains shale clay, and the steel ball bearings are a couple inches in diameter.

I'll search for technical info later this afternoon.
 
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

WRAPUP 2-No end in sight as Gulf oil spill hits Day 40 | Reuters

the pressure is so great which is expelling all that oil, it's blowing out whatever mud is pushed down there as well

there's also some fear that if we do cap this thing, all that building up pressure might precipitate an explosion

this is really, really, really bad

comparisons to chernobyl are not far fetched

"obama under fire for slow response" is reuters' sub headline

oh, boy, is he ever

and it's certainly not chatroomers doing him all this damage

why did they turn off the live feed?

until you see that turned back on there will be no resolution

where are the cleanup workers, where's the head start on the cleanup?

how in the world can he justify no massive clean up on the qt

carville's gone ballistic, he's a local, y'know (and committed clintonista)

BP Oil Spill Becoming Political Headache for Obama? Some Democrats Slam White House Response - ABC News

last nite on cnn, the ragin cajun said he was out on the waters with plaquemines parish prez billy nungesser and in miles of inspecting THEY SAW NOTHING

our political leadership has put in place AS OF DAY FORTY exactly ZERO in the way of CLEANING UP this MESS

unbelievable

on day 38 (thursday) the political pressure on the president became so preponderant he was compelled to perform his first press conference in THREE HUNDRED AND NINE DAYS

that's the "daddy, did you plug the leak" recital which will go down in history

it was a disaster

his entire purpose was to portray to the people his determination, resolve, on-top-of-it-ness that, apparently, had slipped away

yet when he was asked about mms director birnbaum's removal, accomplished that very morning in anticipation of the great event, our nonplussed president reported that he didn't know why she was let go, if she was let go

he's losing the press

politico, msnbc's morning regular:

Obama bristled at the notion that the White House response has “lacked urgency” — only to admit, minutes later, that planned reforms of the federal agency monitoring deep water exploration, in fact, lacked “sufficient urgency.”

After he assumed unequivocal responsibility for the spill response, he proceeded to equivocate — blaming Bush-era deregulation, his predecessor’s failure to draft an adequate spill response plan and BP’s arrogance in overlooking flaws in their safety systems.

And he seemed downright uncertain on the circumstances surrounding the departure of Minerals Management Service director S. Elizabeth Birnbaum. “C’mon, I don’t know,” he said at one point, when pressed on whether she quit or was fired.
but then, there's really no other way to report it, it was that bad

this is NOT the way americans expect or need their president to behave, act, y'know, IN A CRISIS

he TRANSPARENTLY has no idea what he's doing

so he WENT ON VACATION

he actually, when asked a followup by the ny times jackie calmes about, y'know, how could you claim ignorace about what underlay the removal of ms birnbaum, the prez put forth, "i had a whole bunch of other stuff going on"

you know what he was doing that morning, day 38, while the oil was bleeding and the mms was being dismembered

he was being presented his very own o-bama #1 b-ball jersey by the duke blue devils in the rose garden

indeed, the doofus has rightly received tons of criticism for his executive ITINERARY these 40 days of death in the gulf

The Presidential Planner - Political Punch

President Obama under fire for BP spill response - Glenn Thrush and Josh Gerstein and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

vacations and fundraisers and state dinners, a sitdown with marv albert and golf

he reveals he IN HIS GUT simply does not get it

what once looked cool now comes off as cold

napolitano went to the opera yesterday

gotterdammerung, presumably?

the new york times today, saturday, reports pessimistically---three junk shots as well as hours of top kill have not succeeded

Effort to Plug Well Faces Another Setback - NYTimes.com

there's talk of returning to the containment vessel approach

on friday, chris matthews, a pennsylvanian but, like carville, another lib who's all over the prez on this, interviewed coast guard commander thad allen, the #1 boot on the ground if not on bp's neck in the gulf

matthews asked obama's top guy, do you have enough mud to continue this top kill effort for the foreseeable

allen didn't know

matthews asked obama's top guy, can you use tankers to vacuum millions of gallons of water and oil which you can then separate and dispose of

the coast guard, it was clear to chrissy's entire audience, had never really thought of that

in his next segment, tho, matthews questioned a professor from lsu

the academic, in stark contrast to the bureacrat, knew exactly what he was about

the tanker idea was unworkable he explained as those vessels become so laden with mixture they're almost immovable

oy

meanwhile, barack hussein obama is just the type of guy who, if you criticize him about lack of effective leadership here, will ATTACK YOU

the gulf is dying, the oil is still bleeding, there's no end in sight, the president is on vacation

40 days, 6 hours, 29 minutes, 14 seconds...

pray
 
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: US coastguard says BP has stopped flow of oil and gas from leakin

Well. Well.
Well.

Obama did not plug the hole after all.
I wonder what he is telling them to do now.
President Top Kill.

Did his precious wake up this morning and ask "Daddy... is the hole plugged yet?"
I hope she asked afterwards... WTF are you doing here on vacation then?
"Isn't it time to agitate Daddy?"
"How about ACORN... they fixed a lot before... or how about Mayor Daley? He was good at fixing things?"
"Or Rev. Wright? Perhaps he can give a pep talk?"
"Or Mr. Ayers? He was good at blowing things up?"
"Or is the problem money Daddy? Perhaps Mr. Rezko or Johnston can help?"

"Daddy?... Daddy?..."

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