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cnredd said:So your not going to answer it...Ok...:shrug:
KidRocks said:Ya right, that statement from one shamless hypocrite to comfort another.
Yet you both disdain highly-decorated Americans, you both disdain our brave troops, men and women, here, and in Iraq and you still don't realize your hypocrisy. And your hatred of our men and women is all politically-motivated of course. It's because they dare speak-out against the war, because they dare oppose President Bush that you hate these fine Americans.
I know your kind, you call yourselves, "patriots", I like to refer to you people as hypocrite-Americans, shamless-Americans, not true Americans!
SixStringHero said:Why is it that Murtha's comments were praised by many with his dissenting view points, but when Pace has a dissenting and divergent view point it is attacked as being partisan?
Pace mentioned he recently returned from Iraq and found good troop morale and a "quiet confidence" that U.S. efforts were on the right track, AP reported.
The Army missed its fiscal 2005 recruiting goal
It's simple...SixStringHero said:Why is it that Murtha's comments were praised by many with his dissenting view points, but when Pace has a dissenting and divergent view point it is attacked as being partisan?
"Yes sir my name is Mark Seavey and I just want to thank you for coming up here. Until about a month ago I was Sgt Mark Seavey infantry squad leader, I returned from Afghanistan. My question to you, (applause)
"Like yourself I dropped out of college two years ago to volunteer to go to Afghanistan, and I went and I came back. If I didn't have a herniated disk now I would volunteer to go to Iraq in a second with my troops, three of which have already volunteered to go to Iraq. I keep hearing you say how you talk to the troops and the troops are demoralized, and I really resent that characterization. (applause) The morale of the troops that I talk to is phenomenal, which is why my troops are volunteering to go back, despite the hardships they had to endure in Afghanistan.
"And Congressman Moran, 200 of your constituents just returned from Afghanistan. We never got a letter from you; we never got a visit from you. You didn't come to our homecoming. The only thing we got from any of our elected officials was one letter from the governor of this state thanking us for our service in Iraq, when we were in Afghanistan. That's reprehensible. I don't know who you two are talking to but the morale of the troops is very high."
Moran - who is one of the few congressmen supporting Charlie Rangel's call to restore the draft - responded quickly: "That wasn't in the form of a question, it was in the form of a statement. But, uhh... let's go over here." And he took the next question.
Recruitment numbers are low because we have a thing here called "the media"...scottyz said:The non-stop violence in Iraq couldn't be hurting morale? Last I heard recruitment was numbers were low long before Murtha changed his mind about the war.
So the media is controlling potential recruits? Some sort of new mind control? I know two people who just enlisted in the airforce so they must not have be affected.cnredd said:Recruitment numbers are low because we have a thing here called "the media"...
The bonuses couldn't have hurt.Re-enlistments, on the other hand, are exceeding the expectations, because the people who are actually there understand the reasoning and don't have to deal with the "75 things are going well but we'll show you the 10 things that aren't" mentality displyed on the airwaves every night...
A mentality far too many fall for...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-07-17-soldiers-re-enlist_x.htmArmy officials attribute the strong re-enlistment rates to unprecedented cash bonuses and a renewed sense of purpose in fighting terrorism. Some of the record bonuses are tax-free if soldiers re-enlist while in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Re-enlistment bonuses range from as little as $1,000 to as much as $150,000, depending on the type of job and length of re-enlistment. The $150,000 bonuses are offered only to senior special operations commandos who agree to stay in the military for up to six more years. The average bonus is $10,000, said Col. Debbra Head, who monitors Army retention at the Pentagon.
scottyz said:So the media is controlling potential recruits? Some sort of new mind control? I know two people who just enlisted in the airforce so they must not have be affected.
The bonuses couldn't have hurt.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-07-17-soldiers-re-enlist_x.htm
cnredd said:Just because YOU don't get offended by what someone says doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way...
I say I'm Polish and Irish, which makes me a dumb drunk. :2wave:
Does that mean that if you said "Polish people are dumb and Irish people are drunks" to every Irish and Polish person you're NOT going to find someone offended?...Doubtful...
Offense is an opinion...There are many people in the military that are NOT offended by Murtha's comments(like I am about Polish & Irish comments), but that doesn't make the concerns others that may feel offended any less legitimate...
SouthernDemocrat said:I really am sick and tired of this kind of crap. If this war was justified and worth it, then the people would be behind it. The people are not behind it because as a majority they feel that this war was a mistake and it’s not worth it.
The people were strongly behind World War II because they felt like it was a necessity. Conversely, the people were not behind the Vietnam War because they felt like it was not worth it. The people are not behind this war because they think it’s not worth it. You have no obligation as a patriot to stand behind a war that you do not agree with. That is nationalism, not patriotism. If this war were worth it, the people would be behind it. It’s that simple. If the war were worth it, then troop morale would be high because the people back home would behind the war. If troop morale is low, then it’s not the fault of the people back home that don’t support the war, or the politicians who believe that the war was a mistake. Its the fault of the man who sent them into a war that the people don’t think is worth it.
There is a small percentage of the populace that is morally against any and all wars. I am not one of them and neither are the majority of the American people that now don’t support this war. We don’t support this war because it is a war fought for ideological reasons instead of a war fought out of necessity. Moreover, its not the military that built this country. It’s the military that protects our freedoms, but it’s the American Worker who built this country. If we who build this country and pay taxes don’t agree with an administrations policies or don’t agree with a war, then by God it’s our patriotic duty as citizens who love their country and the principles it stands for to speak out against what we disagree with. While very unfortunate, if troop morale is low as a result, then its not the fault of the patriots who stand up and speak against what they disagree with, it’s the fault of the man who sent them into a war that the American people do not think is worth it.
KidRocks said:Ya right, that statement from one shamless hypocrite to comfort another.
Yet you both disdain highly-decorated Americans, you both disdain our brave troops, men and women, here, and in Iraq and you still don't realize your hypocrisy. And your hatred of our men and women is all politically-motivated of course. It's because they dare speak-out against the war, because they dare oppose President Bush that you hate these fine Americans.
I know your kind, you call yourselves, "patriots", I like to refer to you people as hypocrite-Americans, shamless-Americans, not true Americans!
SouthernDem said:I really am sick and tired of this kind of crap. If this war was justified and worth it, then the people would be behind it. The people are not behind it because as a majority they feel that this war was a mistake and it’s not worth it.
The people were strongly behind World War II because they felt like it was a necessity.
Re-enlistment bonuses range from as little as $1,000 to as much as $150,000, depending on the type of job and length of re-enlistment. The $150,000 bonuses are offered only to senior special operations commandos who agree to stay in the military for up to six more years. The average bonus is $10,000, said Col. Debbra Head, who monitors Army retention at the Pentagon.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:The people stayed behind WW2 because they didn't have a media spewing casualty reports on a daily basis with glee, they didn't have a Democratic congress lying and trying to rewrite the lead up to the war as they saw fit. They didn't have people trying to change the definition of patriotism into never ending dissent. Do you really think the people would have stayed behind the war effort if the media kept on saying that we were losing the war? By todays standards the Normandy invasion and the Battle of Midway would have been reported as total failures. Todays media would have portrayed FDR as a criminal for interning people of Japanese dissent. By todays standards Emperor Hiro Hito and Adolf Hitler would have been portrayed as innocent victims who were just responding to U.S. imperialism. The people stayed behind WW2 because the Republican congress remembered one very important thing that is that politics should end at the waters edge.
Wikipedia said:The U.S. government officially apologized for the internment in the 1980s, saying it was based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership", and paid reparations to survivors. Some reparations were also paid in 1948, and Congress passed eight compensation-related laws between 1951 and 1978.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Ya true Americans like you right? Gimme a break. Liberal newspeak: Treason = Patriotism and Dissent = Support.
And wow did you just call someone a hypocrit???
First you say that General Pace is a crybaby for stating that Murtha's comments have hurt morale while you call the troops who's morale Murtha's comments have hurt a bunch of pu*ssies,
Then you say AVAN has disdain for highly decorated troops like Murtha for saying that they're hurting troop moral,
And then you say that Avan is a hypocrit for having the sheer audacity for disagreeing with the liberal establishment yet by your own words dissent is a form of patriotism,
So who's the hypocrit here again??? I mean do you even know what a hypocrit is or is it just one of those buzz words that you heard one the grownups use?
KidRocks said:Ahhh, so Murtha's comments have hurt the moral of our troops in Iraq? Poor little troops, such crybabies the top General has under his wing. I suppose the top General is leading his troops by crying and wailing louder then his girly-men just to set an example.
Gen. Peter Pace is such a fool, does this sissy General really think our brave troops are going to let any politician back in the states hurt their feelings by speaking out against the war? He certanly does not have much confidence in our brave troops does he?
We need to rid our armed-forces of p*ssys like General Peter Pace and their crybaby attitudes.
Navy Pride said:With all due respect to Murtha's 4 years active duty out of 37 years someone needs to put a muzzle on this guy.......
Engimo said:Except the Republicans of the early 1900's were more like modern Democrats than modern Republicans. The Republican Party was founded on Hamiltonian policies and anti-slavery sentiment and stayed that way until the Civil Rights Movement of the mid-1900's.
People rallied behind WWII because Germany was an aggressor that had taken over nearly all of Europe, and also because of the fact that we were bombed by Japan. I don't think you can compare Hussein and Hirohito/Hitler by any stretch of the imagination - the Axis damned well nearly took over the entire world. Hussein was stuck in his landlocked country and essentially impotent.
I know you like to think that there is an evil liberal media that is undermining America, but there's really not. Casualties and bad things are reported because those are the stories that get people's attention - it's a sensationalist bias not a liberal bias.
And damnit, FDR was wrong for putting the Japanese in internment camps - the government even apologized for it.
Engimo said:I don't know, 4 years in Vietnam and two Purple Hearts isn't something to trivialize, I think.
Engimo said:I don't know, 4 years in Vietnam and two Purple Hearts isn't something to trivialize, I think.
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