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Top Climate Skeptic Reverses Course, Now Urges Bold Action

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(Also reported on by MC O’Connor here) Bjørn Lomborg may not be a household name around here, but that’s through no fault of his. In November 2001, this Danish environmental author and economics professor was selected “Global Leader for Tomorrow” by the World Economic Forum. Lomborg was selected as one of TIME magazine’s 100 most influential people of 2004. In June 2002, Business Week named Lomborg one of the “50 Stars of Europe” in the Agenda Setters category. The magazine noted, “No matter what they think of his views, nobody denies that Bjørn Lomborg has shaken the environmental movement to its core.”

Controversy may as well have been his middle name, especially after his book The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the World came out in 2001. The book was critical of the Worldwatch Institute’s State of the World report “for using short-term trends to predict disastrous consequences, in cases where long-term trends would not support the same conclusions.”

He was particularly outspoken on the subject of global warming whose importance he felt was being overstated. In the book’s introduction he writes, “Global warming, though its size and future projections are rather unrealistically pessimistic, is almost certainly taking place, but the typical cure of early and radical fossil fuel cutbacks is way worse than the original affliction, and moreover its total impact will not pose a devastating problem for our future.”

However, Lomborg has a new book entitled Smart Solutions to Climate Change: Comparing Costs and Benefits in which he proposes an aggressive $100 billion annual fund specifically targeting global warming solutions such as the familiar list of renewables such as wind, wave, and solar as well as nuclear power and a number of more controversial geo-engineering approaches like cloud whitening, which, it has been suggested, might reflect a larger portion of the sun’s heat back into space than ordinary clouds.
I can already see the replies to this:

- He's part of the hoax
- He's a convert to the 'religion' of global warming
- He's getting paid to switch sides

... We'll have to see how the story develops.
 

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We all know where this debate is going.

Generations from now will curse us for not acting on this problem.

But GW Deniers ravaging this thread in 5... 4... 3...
 

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Thank you for enlightening us. What evidence do you have to support your rediculous assumption that the world is not changing, the ice caps are not melting and that the Earth is getting warmer based on trillions of studies... or because you say so?

Jet Pack.
 

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We all know where this debate is going.

Generations from now will curse us for not acting on this problem.

But GW Deniers ravaging this thread in 5... 4... 3...
Looks like you were not even able to finish your countdown before the deniers started hitting the thread. LOL.
 

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Thank you for enlightening us. What evidence do you have to support your rediculous assumption that the world is not changing, the ice caps are not melting and that the Earth is getting warmer based on trillions of studies... or because you say so?

Jet Pack.

**Sigh** Do I really have to make you look foolish and reprint all the things said in, oh, I don't know the hundreds of GW threads debunking the theory and ignored by the faithful followers of the Lord God Gore? :doh

I assume you have the search function on your computer, Look it up.


Now "Jet Pack" your arse oughta here.....:lamo


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Most of you should be familiar with the fraudulent e-mails issue that surfaced, which the main stream International / US M/P have "NOT" investigated in any great detail.
You must of all heard ad nauseum Al Gores screaming rants about Global Warming"
But how many of you are aware Gore stood or stands to make Billions on of Global Warming? He has invested in over two dozen companies that stand to benefit from Global Warming actions.
Gore left the Vice Presidency with 1.5 million in assets. He is now worth over 100 million. Do any of you remember Clintons transfer of high tech Missile & Communication technology? Gore was involved in that & post VP got involved in Sweetheart Communication deals that netted him many millions. He now owns a TV station and investments in related tech.
QUESTION - How many of you are familiar with 31,000 Scientists signing a Petition "AGAINST" the Global Warming Hysteria?
How many of you know that the ice on Mars and some of the Moons of Jupiter and Saturn also have seen melting?
The amount of CO2 from man is about 3% of the total CO2 generated naturally.
THE PETITION
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
 
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I can already see the replies to this:

- He's part of the hoax
- He's a convert to the 'religion' of global warming
- He's getting paid to switch sides

... We'll have to see how the story develops.
No he IS a hack and always has been. He was discredited long ago in Denmark. I wonder if the Kock brothers stopped paying him or something since he changed his mind..

But was embraced by the US right anti-global warming people as some sort of hero and truth teller.

Gets out the popcorn to watch the anti-global warming people start to eat one of its own.
 

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I like to follow the money on things like man made GW
The way some posters here are so adament to prove it's real, I wonder how many have a vested interest.
GE really wants cap and trade and it won't happen if man is not the cause of climate change.

3.Obama's hidden bailout of General Electric ( Cap and trade taxes ) [New Window]
GE — a member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, which advocates cap and trade — leads the push for greenhouse gas restrictions. ...
Obama’s hidden bailout of General Electric ( Cap and trade taxes )

4.Lobbyists for cap and trade face daunting task | Reuters [New Window]
Feb 11, 2010 ... Lobbyists for cap-and-trade, who also include General Electric Co, must find ways to bring in other energy and industrial companies that ...
Lobbyists for cap and trade face daunting task | Reuters

GE/MSNBC/Obama/cap and trade
 

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The thing about bjorn, and I feel it's being misrepresented by the media, is that he was already a believer in man-made global warming. He just disagreed with the rest of his movement about how big and quick an impact it would have and the size of the response that would be necessary.
 

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**Sigh** Do I really have to make you look foolish and reprint all the things said in, oh, I don't know the hundreds of GW threads debunking the theory and ignored by the faithful followers of the Lord God Gore? :doh

I assume you have the search function on your computer, Look it up.


Now "Jet Pack" your arse oughta here.....:lamo


j-mac
Hi J=mac - Yup it is me again

And once again I am asking if you have any evidence at all because I have yet to see anything that is not cherry picked, misquoted ,obfusticated or just plain made up from a denialist camp.

There has been no "debunking" there cannot be because the denialists basically do not know enough science to put together a decent argument let alone a scientific critique
 

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I like to follow the money on things like man made GW
The way some posters here are so adament to prove it's real, I wonder how many have a vested interest.
GE really wants cap and trade and it won't happen if man is not the cause of climate change.

3.Obama's hidden bailout of General Electric ( Cap and trade taxes ) [New Window]
GE — a member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, which advocates cap and trade — leads the push for greenhouse gas restrictions. ...
Obama’s hidden bailout of General Electric ( Cap and trade taxes )

4.Lobbyists for cap and trade face daunting task | Reuters [New Window]
Feb 11, 2010 ... Lobbyists for cap-and-trade, who also include General Electric Co, must find ways to bring in other energy and industrial companies that ...
Lobbyists for cap and trade face daunting task | Reuters

GE/MSNBC/Obama/cap and trade
From what I gather America does not actually HAVE a cap and trade system yet - yes? So this money is actually not changed hands yet - am I right?

Meanwhile Exxon has been pouring millions into disinformation campaigns - and has not even had the grace to deny it
 

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The cult of GW has been debunked....The debate is over.


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A cult would suggest that has a small number of devotees.The man made global warming fairy tale is full blown religion with millions of devoted religious followers who hang on to every word that their reverend AL Gore and other enviro-nuts preaches. They recycle their trash, buy only recycled or recyclable products, They buy energy star appliances, refuse to buy bottled water, eat only organic products, spread the word how the world how the polar icecaps will melt and the world will be flooded, Demand cap and trade laws, demand carbon credits, don't want any drilling, support ethanol and a whole bunch of other things to show their enviroreligious devotion.
 

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A cult would suggest that has a small number of devotees.The man made global warming fairy tale is full blown religion with millions of devoted religious followers who hang on to every word that their reverend AL Gore and other enviro-nuts preaches. They recycle their trash, buy only recycled or recyclable products, They buy energy star appliances, refuse to buy bottled water, eat only organic products, spread the word how the world how the polar icecaps will melt and the world will be flooded, Demand cap and trade laws, demand carbon credits, don't want any drilling, support ethanol and a whole bunch of other things to show their enviroreligious devotion.
You know funny thing is there are an awful lot of people who CLAIM the science has been "debunked" but they never post any articles let alone research papers
 

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Global warming is a hoax, Santa Claus isn't real, and the Clippers aren't winning a title anytime soon.

All under the category of "duh".
 

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A cult would suggest that has a small number of devotees.The man made global warming fairy tale is full blown religion with millions of devoted religious followers who hang on to every word that their reverend AL Gore and other enviro-nuts preaches. They recycle their trash, buy only recycled or recyclable products, They buy energy star appliances, refuse to buy bottled water, eat only organic products, spread the word how the world how the polar icecaps will melt and the world will be flooded, Demand cap and trade laws, demand carbon credits, don't want any drilling, support ethanol and a whole bunch of other things to show their enviroreligious devotion.
You know the first five things you listed really aren't all that bad and most people should try and do it.
 

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You know the first five things you listed really aren't all that bad and most people should try and do it.
We do. That's the dirty little secret.

We just don't worship at the alter of Gore afterward.
 

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DOES EVERYBODY IGNORE 31,000 SCIENTIST PETITION AGAINST THE GLOBAL WARMING SCIENCE?


THE PETITION
Home - Global Warming Petition Project


Do they also ignore the ice melting on Saturn - Neptune moons as well as Mars North Pole?
 

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DOES EVERYBODY IGNORE 31,000 SCIENTIST PETITION AGAINST THE GLOBAL WARMING SCIENCE?


THE PETITION
Home - Global Warming Petition Project


Do they also ignore the ice melting on Saturn - Neptune moons as well as Mars North Pole?
This thing again? You know this list originally had Daffy Duck, Mickey Mouse, and the entire defensive line of some professional football team right? They sent out a deceptive flyer, made to look like it came from a respectable journal (it didn't) and didn't do any checking whatsoever on the names or the qualifications of the signors. To make things more fun, most of the people signing this petition have degrees in unrelated fields. Why should I care what a guy with a bachelor's in mettalurgy thinks about global warming, and since when does a bachelor's degree get you the title "scientist" anyway?

Meanwhile, polls of actual climatologists show that 95% support the concensus on global warming.

Other planets and their moons are not earth. They have different atmospheres, different geologies, and different/non-existant magnetospheres. It's a giant straw man. Nobody claimed that mankind is the only possible cause of temperature changes, so pointing out that melting on Mars couldn't be our fault is just stupid diversions so typical of your kind.
 

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Hi J=mac - Yup it is me again

And once again I am asking if you have any evidence at all because I have yet to see anything that is not cherry picked, misquoted ,obfusticated or just plain made up from a denialist camp.

There has been no "debunking" there cannot be because the denialists basically do not know enough science to put together a decent argument let alone a scientific critique

BOWERBIRD!!!!!! How ya doin'

Fact is there bird, we have posted many things that are dismissed by the faithful believers in consensus brainwashing that is GW. So to continue to post it is fruitless. Look, when you get China to stop producing their 2 coal fired electric plants a week, then let me know.

j-mac
 

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Aren't you confusing the list of Voters that Acorn signed up which had the Football Team Line up. The Flier was neither deceptive nor nebulous. It contained many pages of Climate data. With respect to the signers; go to the website and it breaks the signers down into their respective disciplines. It also list their qualifications and degrees. Also included is the UN resolution and the 600 signers whose commentary was NOT allowed. There are also hundreds of Climatologists. You can't count the PHD's unless you want to spend considerable time.
This statement is the usual Statist blurt - Make a sweeping generalization that has no relevancy and every body is supposed to run and hide because the Wizard has spoken.
Why should I care what a guy with a bachelor's in mettalurgy thinks about global warming, and since when does a bachelor's degree get you the title "scientist" anyway?

Considering the known and extended falsification of data exposed in the E-mails it seems realistic to go back and thoroughly examine the data and have an open dialog. That hasn't happened. It's all behind closed doors. To rely on certain involved scientists is delusional, under the circumstances.

Scientists - including - NASA are dependent on massive Government funding. The more important the work the greater the financial reward. Conversely Scientists that work in University environments can kiss their careers goodbye if or when they challenge the "favored" hypothesis. Their research funding rapidly dries up or disappears.

A good example of that was the publicized debate on Embryonic Stem Cell Research and Federal Funding.
There have been no discoveries made using embryonic research. Universities were in a tizzy in wanting Federal Funding. Why? They get million of "Free" taxpayer money to virtually use almost any way they want. They can buy more equipment, build another lab all of which increases their stature in attracting top researchers who also get "Liberal" grants of taxpayer money.
ANOTHER LITTLE KNOW BENEFIT OF FEDERAL FUNDING ARE THE --- PATENTS --- UNIVERSITIES OBTAIN. They get Millions and Millions of dollars in Royalties from those Patents. Just one Patent yielded over $300 million dollars in royalties for one University.

If there had been a likely or visible speck of gain through embryonic research - Investors would have been all over it. No Investors
By contrast there have been thousands of small and large advances in Placenta stem cells and now the discovery to turn normal cells into stem cells.

Meanwhile, polls of actual climatologists show that 95% support the concensus on global warming.
TV Advertisement polls were done with a book in which the person had to write down the TV programs they watched. Then there was a move to go electronic, with a box on the TV that electronically tracked everything. Result was a truer factual replication of actual viewing and the discovery - they switched off the ads. Advertisers no longer pay outrageous sumes for TV advertising. ( TV revenues plummeted as viewers deserted TV in large numbers in favor of the Internet. Gone was the vapor of consistent TV watching certain programs.
TV programs liver and die by ratings.
In my opinion until the World Wide Financial Platinum Mine seen by Greedy Investors in making Trillions of dollars off of Global Warming I want 100% proof which is not the case. Right now there is too much to be gained financially by too many if Global Warming stops the world from turning - which it will in a way.

I reject totally your trite wave of your Wizard wand and Statist aura of self assumed superiority.
My opinion. All Polls can be skewed, most are skewed and there is usually something to be gained from the results of the Poll.
I don't believe hardly any Polls unless I can see the questions, the circumstances, and the connections the poll takers have with the existing hypothesis and who was polled and who wasn't polled.

How Superior you think you are. That is the Problem with Liberals. Everybody else is stupid, ignorant and worthless. They are the lordly Intelligentsia and dismiss everyone else as inferior and incompetent. Do you obsess in front of the mirror?
Personally I often think Liberals are afflicted with Statist Megacephalic Cerebral Necrosis.
Nobody claimed that mankind is the only possible cause of temperature changes, so pointing out that melting on Mars couldn't be our fault is just stupid diversions so typical of your kind.
 
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Aren't you confusing the list of Voters that Acorn signed up which had the Football Team Line up. The Flier was neither deceptive nor nebulous. It contained many pages of Climate data. With respect to the signers; go to the website and it breaks the signers down into their respective disciplines. It also list their qualifications and degrees. Also included is the UN resolution and the 600 signers whose commentary was NOT allowed. There are also hundreds of Climatologists. You can't count the PHD's unless you want to spend considerable time.
This statement is the usual Statist blurt - Make a sweeping generalization that has no relevancy and every body is supposed to run and hide because the Wizard has spoken.
Why should I care what a guy with a bachelor's in mettalurgy thinks about global warming, and since when does a bachelor's degree get you the title "scientist" anyway?

Considering the known and extended falsification of data exposed in the E-mails it seems realistic to go back and thoroughly examine the data and have an open dialog. That hasn't happened. It's all behind closed doors. To rely on certain involved scientists is delusional, under the circumstances.

Scientists - including - NASA are dependent on massive Government funding. The more important the work the greater the financial reward. Conversely Scientists that work in University environments can kiss their careers goodbye if or when they challenge the "favored" hypothesis. Their research funding rapidly dries up or disappears.

A good example of that was the publicized debate on Embryonic Stem Cell Research and Federal Funding.
There have been no discoveries made using embryonic research. Universities were in a tizzy in wanting Federal Funding. Why? They get million of "Free" taxpayer money to virtually use almost any way they want. They can buy more equipment, build another lab all of which increases their stature in attracting top researchers who also get "Liberal" grants of taxpayer money.
ANOTHER LITTLE KNOW BENEFIT OF FEDERAL FUNDING ARE THE --- PATENTS --- UNIVERSITIES OBTAIN. They get Millions and Millions of dollars in Royalties from those Patents. Just one Patent yielded over $300 million dollars in royalties for one University.

If there had been a likely or visible speck of gain through embryonic research - Investors would have been all over it. No Investors
By contrast there have been thousands of small and large advances in Placenta stem cells and now the discovery to turn normal cells into stem cells.

Meanwhile, polls of actual climatologists show that 95% support the concensus on global warming.
TV Advertisement polls were done with a book in which the person had to write down the TV programs they watched. Then there was a move to go electronic, with a box on the TV that electronically tracked everything. Result was a truer factual replication of actual viewing and the discovery - they switched off the ads. Advertisers no longer pay outrageous sumes for TV advertising. ( TV revenues plummeted as viewers deserted TV in large numbers in favor of the Internet. Gone was the vapor of consistent TV watching certain programs.
TV programs liver and die by ratings.
In my opinion until the World Wide Financial Platinum Mine seen by Greedy Investors in making Trillions of dollars off of Global Warming I want 100% proof which is not the case. Right now there is too much to be gained financially by too many if Global Warming stops the world from turning - which it will in a way.

I reject totally your trite wave of your Wizard wand and Statist aura of self assumed superiority.
My opinion. All Polls can be skewed, most are skewed and there is usually something to be gained from the results of the Poll.
I don't believe hardly any Polls unless I can see the questions, the circumstances, and the connections the poll takers have with the existing hypothesis and who was polled and who wasn't polled.

How Superior you think you are. That is the Problem with Liberals. Everybody else is stupid, ignorant and worthless. They are the lordly Intelligentsia and dismiss everyone else as inferior and incompetent. Do you obsess in front of the mirror?
Personally I often think Liberals are afflicted with Statist Megacephalic Cerebral Necrosis.
Nobody claimed that mankind is the only possible cause of temperature changes, so pointing out that melting on Mars couldn't be our fault is just stupid diversions so typical of your kind.

Bravo! And for the record so that people aren't confused, I believe you were responding to Deuce, not me.....Correct?


j-mac
 
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