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Top 3% of U.S. Taxpayers Paid Majority of Income Taxes in 2016

HAHAHA, I've heard enough. You don't know what you're talking about.
really so how does a tax cut cost anything? if you save money does that cost you something? The only people who spew the tripe you do, are those who think all wealth belongs to the government
 
let me guess, they earned it... lol
far more than the government or the politicians. Its always hilarious watching a fan of income redistribution, try to justify death taxes and high income taxes so their elected leaders can pander to the masses with handouts
 
far more than the government or the politicians. Its always hilarious watching a fan of income redistribution, try to justify death taxes and high income taxes so their elected leaders can pander to the masses with handouts

Income redistribution?

Reagans tax cuts created the greatest income redistribution in our countries history

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I believe in starving the beast.
But this has never happened. Tax cuts don’t inhibit government spending. It just EXPLODES the deficit and debt. We have 40 years of failed supply side economics that shows this.
 
But this has never happened. Tax cuts don’t inhibit government spending. It just EXPLODES the deficit and debt. We have 40 years of failed supply side economics that shows this.
well we know that politicians won't cut spending and when most of the voters aren't paying for what they get, they have no incentive to demand spending cuts either.
 
well we know that politicians won't cut spending and when most of the voters aren't paying for what they get, they have no incentive to demand spending cuts either.
Which is why tax cuts are complete fiscal incompetence.
 
Which is why tax cuts are complete fiscal incompetence.
what is fiscal incompetence is the growth of the federal government-a disease that can be traced back to progressive democrats years ago
 
what is fiscal incompetence is the growth of the federal government-a disease that can be traced back to progressive democrats years ago
The government grew exponentially since its inception. It has nothing to do with democrats. It grows just as fast under republicans.
 
The government grew exponentially since its inception. It has nothing to do with democrats. It grows just as fast under republicans.
if the new deal nonsense had continued to be struck down by the supremes, the growth of the federal government never would have happened at near the rate it did
 
what's the percentage of the income tax that the top one percent pay? If investments make money, what is your solution other than taxing people more industrious than you more and more?
The problem being that "the more industrious" have benefited greatly from income redistribution, however, for the first time there is not enough middle to absorb the brunt of that distribution and now the wealthy are suddenly left holding the bag. The Earned Income Tax Credit, Child and Dependent Care Credit, Free school lunch programs, daycare assistance programs, Medicaid programs, CHIP, etc. are all government programs to increase the supply of low wage workers. They were intentionally designed to get people into low paying jobs, which benefits the wealthy.

The entire government sponsored idea was that downward wage pressure would create downward price pressure and keep consumption high because there would be no deadweight loss with supply side boosts... However, it doesn't work. We have much more capital mobility today than we ever have before and when we make capital readily available to the rich, their capital efficiency just goes down. It turns out that companies are good at generating the capital needed for profitable projects and decreasing the cost of capital just makes projects that are fundamentally unacceptable, seem acceptable but at the cost of all market efficiency. Essentially, the firms that are the best at doing things lose to companies who are much worse at doing things because access to capital has become more important than specialize and trade.

I might find lower taxes on the wealthiest more palatable had our government not stepped into the labor market. However, since we did, we now have a major problem. We have a workforce that is significantly depressed through the bottom 90%. Because of automation and globalization there is no way to fix the situation. We can't simply pull the plug and let things correct as the government has now concentrated the wealth to the extent that the capital mobility we have today inhibits correction. While I don't love wealth redistribution, it is probably the only way out of this mess.
 
The problem being that "the more industrious" have benefited greatly from income redistribution, however, for the first time there is not enough middle to absorb the brunt of that distribution and now the wealthy are suddenly left holding the bag. The Earned Income Tax Credit, Child and Dependent Care Credit, Free school lunch programs, daycare assistance programs, Medicaid programs, CHIP, etc. are all government programs to increase the supply of low wage workers. They were intentionally designed to get people into low paying jobs, which benefits the wealthy.

The entire government sponsored idea was that downward wage pressure would create downward price pressure and keep consumption high because there would be no deadweight loss with supply side boosts... However, it doesn't work. We have much more capital mobility today than we ever have before and when we make capital readily available to the rich, their capital efficiency just goes down. It turns out that companies are good at generating the capital needed for profitable projects and decreasing the cost of capital just makes projects that are fundamentally unacceptable, seem acceptable but at the cost of all market efficiency. Essentially, the firms that are the best at doing things lose to companies who are much worse at doing things because access to capital has become more important than specialize and trade.

I might find lower taxes on the wealthiest more palatable had our government not stepped into the labor market. However, since we did, we now have a major problem. We have a workforce that is significantly depressed through the bottom 90%. Because of automation and globalization there is no way to fix the situation. We can't simply pull the plug and let things correct as the government has now concentrated the wealth to the extent that the capital mobility we have today inhibits correction. While I don't love wealth redistribution, it is probably the only way out of this mess.
giving money to those who are unproductive doesn't seem to work-we have thrown billions of dollars at the poor in the disastrous "war on poverty" and what has changed? I know one thing-no longer will people who are low information workers, be able to demand middle class wages like they did in the heyday of automotive factories and other industrial workplaces where a HS degree and a willingness to show up each day led to a salary sufficient to raise a couple kids, fund a stay at home mom and retire with a decent pension. And as you say, automation increases, such work decreases quickly and globalization means guys in Vietnam or Bangladesh can do the same work for 1/4th the wage. So the key to a good wage is having intellectual skills of a high-tec nature.
 
I believe in starving the beast.

That implies creating some linkage between federal revenue and federal spending which simply does not exist. The annual federal “budget” deficit has increased every year since 2014 and congress shows no signs of stopping that trend. That is not at all surprising considering that “budgeting” technique results in a congressional re-election rate of over 90%.
 
That implies creating some linkage between federal revenue and federal spending which simply does not exist. The annual federal “budget” deficit has increased every year since 2014 and congress shows no signs of stopping that trend. That is not at all surprising considering that “budgeting” technique results in a congressional re-election rate of over 90%.
at this point that is true
 
giving money to those who are unproductive doesn't seem to work-we have thrown billions of dollars at the poor in the disastrous "war on poverty" and what has changed? I know one thing-no longer will people who are low information workers, be able to demand middle class wages like they did in the heyday of automotive factories and other industrial workplaces where a HS degree and a willingness to show up each day led to a salary sufficient to raise a couple kids, fund a stay at home mom and retire with a decent pension. And as you say, automation increases, such work decreases quickly and globalization means guys in Vietnam or Bangladesh can do the same work for 1/4th the wage. So the key to a good wage is having intellectual skills of a high-tec nature.

You seemed to have missed his point entirely. As the (federal) “safety net” expands, it lowers the need (demand) for employers (job creators) to offer higher wages in order to attract and retain qualified labor. It is far less expensive (aka far more profitable) for employers (job creators) to pay a bit more in federal taxes, to help support “safety net” programs for some of their lower wage workers, than it would be to pay all of their lower wage workers a “living wage”.
 
You seemed to have missed his point entirely. As the (federal) “safety net” expands, it lowers the need (demand) for employers (job creators) to offer higher wages in order to attract and retain qualified labor. It is far less expensive (aka far more profitable) for employers (job creators) to pay a bit more in federal taxes, to help support “safety net” programs for some of their lower wage workers, than it would be to pay all of their lower wage workers a “living wage”.
wha tis your libertarian solution to that problem, then
 
at this point that is true

I see no point at which that will not remain true so long as congressional re-election rates remain extremely high. Note that congress critters win re-election by promising more federal spending - not by promising more federal taxation and/or less federal spending.
 
wha tis your libertarian solution to that problem, then

There is none other than doing away with federal “safety net” programs for those (deemed) able to work, which is why Libertarians are not holding elected federal offices.
 
I see no point at which that will not remain true so long as congressional re-election rates remain extremely high. Note that congress critters win re-election by promising more federal spending - not by promising more federal taxation and/or less federal spending.
that's why I think the only hope-though slim-are judges who enforce the tenth amendment
 
that's why I think the only hope-though slim-are judges who enforce the tenth amendment

All of that federal “safety net” spending ends up going directly to the residents of the several states - how, exactly, is that a 10A issue?

Medicaid expansion (part of PPACA) was a brilliant idea for expanding the “safety net” - for every $1 of additional state spending that state (resident) receives $9 of additional federal spending. Would you pass up a chance to get a 900% return on investment?
 
Well the problem is Reagan's tax cuts.

Before Reagan the wealthy business owners knew that any income over $215,000 ($680,000 adjusted for inflation 2020) would be taxed a a 70% rate. They could either pay it in taxes or invest it in their business or workers. Made it a lot easier to give raises. If you notice from the table below a rising tide raised all boats.

Now after Reagan's tax cuts those wealthy business owners realized they could keep it all and they did.

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