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vandree said:Can anyone take seriously someone involved with Scientology?
[If you have never read the story that is the core belief of Scientology, here is a link to it: http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm]
Bottom line is these people's opinions is no better nor worse than anyone else's. Being a celebrity doesn't make them authorities in any field.
I don't think that Tom Cruise realized how stupid he sounded when he claimed to know everything about psychology and medications when he has no medical degree, not even one in chemistry or pharmacy.........................
Pacridge said:Your link didn't work for me. I don't know jack about Scientology, but I went here and did some quick reading. http://www.scientology.org/
As Vandree is linking this, there's something that needs to be said about the website, xenu.net aka Operation Clambake and Scientology itself.vandree said:Sorry about that; it should work now: http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm
More info here:
http://www.xenu.net/index.html
The Harm it Does to a Person
The results of applying their crackpot psychotherapy (called "auditing") is to weaken the mind. The mind goes from a rational state to an irrational one as the delusional contents of the subconscious mind are brought to the surface and are assumed to be valid. It also makes a person more susceptible to suggestion since it submerges the critical thinking faculties of the mind into a partial subconscious state. It results in a permanent light hypnotic trance and so from thenceforth that person can be more easily controlled. The person will, to a much greater extent, believe and do whatever they are told. And of course this is used to the full in persuading them to hand over further money and dedicating themselves further to the cult.
The results of applying their oversimplified and inapplicable rules in life is to lose the ability to think rationally and logically. A person loses the ability to think for themselves and so they lose the ability to challenge incorrect ideas. This makes them easier to control. It also isolates and alienates the person from society so that they withdraw from normal society and into their "Scientology" society. This further increases their susceptibility to the influence of their group. They end up being afraid of society, believing all society to be controlled by a group of drug companies, psychiatrists and financiers all of whom report to more remote masters. In other words they are in a state of mass paranoia. They therefore avoid reading newspapers and the like since they fear it will disturb their safe Scientology world. It is a downward spiral into madness.
The science fiction content of Scientology is revealed to them after they have reached the state they call "Clear", meaning freed from the aberrations of the mind. However, perhaps "brainwashed" would be a more applicable word to describe the mental state of someone who has survived the near entire delusional contents of their subconscious mind brought to the surface and presented to them as "truth". On the "advanced" levels (called OT levels) above the state of "Clear" they encounter the story of Xenu. Xenu was supposed to have gathered up all the overpopulation in this sector of the galaxy, brought them to Earth and then exterminated them using hydrogen bombs. The souls of these murdered people are then supposed to infest the body of everyone. They are called "body thetans". On the advanced levels of Scientology a person "audits out" these body thetans telepathically by getting them to re-experience their being exterminated by hydrogen bombs. So people on these levels assume all their bad thoughts and faulty memories are due to these body thetans infesting every part of their body and influencing them mentally. Many Scientologists go raving mad at this point if they have not done so already.
The results of applying their oversimplified and inapplicable rules in life is to lose the ability to think rationally and logically. A person loses the ability to think for themselves and so they lose the ability to challenge incorrect ideas. This makes them easier to control. It also isolates and alienates the person from society so that they withdraw from normal society and into their "Scientology" society.
shuamort said:As Vandree is linking this, there's something that needs to be said about the website, xenu.net aka Operation Clambake and Scientology itself.
Scientology is an interesting current mythology that instead of letting its members just learn, they are actually charged money to advance into it. Operation Clambake has gone to lengths to not only expose this crud, but also give away all of the "religion" that is taught. This has incensed the Scientologists to the point of trying to shutdown the website.
About 10 years ago I was walking down the Nicollet Mall in downtown Minneapolis, MN. I was approached by a Scientologist to take a free IQ test and a free personality test. I looked into the window and saw Dianetics and said "Sure!". Did I mention I like to cause trouble?
So anyways, I take the personality test, and let me tell you, I have a horrible personality! Luckily, when I reviewed the test results with the Scientologist, this mythology could help me out. Then I took the IQ test, first I should mention that I've taken these before and have been accepted to Mensa, and the score was a little bit lower than my average but still at the genious level. Fortunately, Scientology could help me with that too! I had to ask how could they help someone that's already in the top 5% but I was shown a fill about L Ron Hubbard's life instead of the answer. He was a barnstormer. All I wanted were answers.
After the movie, I was shown a chart that talked about OTs (Operating Thetans) and blah blah blah. I asked about details only to be told that I wouldn't understand it. I pleaded that my IQ test was at a near perfect level so maybe I could just get the gist of it. Nope, I wouldn't understand it. Ho-hum.
Back to Scientology and Psychiatry, here's the interesting part from Operation Clambake:
I wonder how long they'll put up with me before they show me the door?
Hoot said:Tom Cruise is an idiot and a one dimensional actor. If you've seen him in one film, you've seen him in all his films...it's the same basic character, isn't it?
As far as his rant, he talks of psychiatry and psychology in the same breath, as though they are the same thing....thus proving he doesn't know what he's talking about.
I can just see some poor old woman watching Tom Cruise and throwing away her meds based only on what he says.
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