Tobacco expected to kill 1 billion this century

[Ikari]

I hope the bans all over the US continue.

For one not impassioned for the rights of the individual, championing tyranny and treason is no surprise.

 

[aps]

And I hope they get overturned and your forced to either not go in an private establishment that allows smoking of your own choice or you get a nice dose of second hand smoke for your troubles if you do decide to go in

For one not impassioned for the rights of the individual, championing tyranny and treason is no surprise.

Sticks and stones, gentlemen. You know how the saying goes.

Oh, and this is quite an interesting article: :

Now, the Stick
Workers Pay for Poor Health Habits

By Beth Baker
Special to The Washington Post
Tuesday, November 13, 2007; Page HE01

Employers frustrated with mounting health-care costs for their workers have tried dangling a carrot to discourage bad habits such as smoking as well as behaviors that can lead to obesity, uncontrolled diabetes or high blood pressure. Now some employers are beginning to brandish a stick, docking pay, hiking insurance premiums or even banning employees from the workplace if they don't comply with off-site smoking bans.

So far Midwestern companies have taken the lead; only a few Washington area employers have followed. Starting in January, Tribune Co. will require its employees, including 1,200 at the Baltimore Sun, to pay $100 a month more in insurance premiums if they or any of their covered family members smoke. . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/09/AR2007110902102.html

 

[aps]

Yippee! This is the way it should be. I shouldn't have to inhale cigarette smoke when I am entering or leaving a hospital, and I shouldn't have to smell cigarette smoke on those healthcare workers who are caring for me when I am in a hospital.

I stopped going to a doctor who reeked of cigarette smoke. He had had a heart attack and almost died. To me, the fact that he was foolish enough to continue smoking after such a health scare told me all I needed to know about his level of intelligence when it comes to healthcare.

A Dozen Area Hospitals Are Going Tobacco-Free
Even Outside, Smoking Will Be Barred

By Susan Levine
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 14, 2007; Page B01

A dozen hospitals in Montgomery County, Frederick and Northern Virginia will declare themselves "tobacco-free health zones" starting tomorrow, a pointed and sweeping move that will apply to employees, patients and visitors alike.

The use of tobacco products will be prohibited anywhere on the hospitals' grounds -- outside entrances, on walkways or in parking lots and garages. Gazebos where smoking has been permitted are being dismantled, and cans for cigarette butts will disappear. . . .

washingtonpost.com

 

[Ikari]

Meh, their property, they may do as they wish...till I get that law passed requiring people to smoke!

 

[Caine]

Yippee! This is the way it should be. I shouldn't have to inhale cigarette smoke when I am entering or leaving a hospital, and I shouldn't have to smell cigarette smoke on those healthcare workers who are caring for me when I am in a hospital.

I stopped going to a doctor who reeked of cigarette smoke. He had had a heart attack and almost died. To me, the fact that he was foolish enough to continue smoking after such a health scare told me all I needed to know about his level of intelligence when it comes to healthcare.

I have no problem with hospitals banning smoking on their property.

Health is an important issue when your at the hospital.

People who have a major concern for looking out for their health SHOULD NOT be hanging out at a bar. Period.

 

[aps]

I have no problem with hospitals banning smoking on their property.

Health is an important issue when your at the hospital.

Yippee! We agree.

People who have a major concern for looking out for their health SHOULD NOT be hanging out at a bar. Period.

Well, as long as the bar is in a jurisdiction that bans smoking, I'm going to hang out at one as long as I want.

:neener

 

[Ikari]

Yippee! We agree.

The thing is, many of us arguing against the smoking bans aren't necessarily against banning smoking. We're against the government regulating it and banning it themselves and hence infringing upon the property rights of the individual. Hospitals can do this all they want, and probably should do it; and so long as they do it by their own free will I have zero problem with it. I like the outcome of the smoking ban, I like going into smoke free places and hanging out and not having to shower when I come home. But I don't like the method by which it was reached, and because of that I will rally against it. The ends don't justify the means, they rarely do. Any business has the right to prohibit smoking on their property, and if they did I would have zero problem with it. Their property, their rules; it's as simple as that. It's government use of force to make property owners ban smoking which I have a problem with. I don't agree with any use of tyranny against the people, no matter what the end result it. No resulting situation is worth our freedom and liberty.

 

[Cassandra the Insidious]

I stopped going to a doctor who reeked of cigarette smoke. He had had a heart attack and almost died. To me, the fact that he was foolish enough to continue smoking after such a health scare told me all I needed to know about his level of intelligence when it comes to healthcare.

Did you ever stop to think that his heart attack was caused by all of the plaque in his arteries then by the cloud of soot in his lungs? Maybe we should ban food that has allot of fat and calories too. Im sure if the has pnemonia with bronchitis, with a topping of asthma then he'd probably stop for awhile. I'd never question a doctor to his or her own health, more then likey, thier 6-15 years of school had some effect on them.

Off topic, but did you ever notice that the bad guys in cartoons were once always doctors?