To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

[DebateChallenge]

Awwwww poor baby

• Freedom of speech means that people are going to say things that you personally don't agree with and/or don't want to hear. Too bad. No one forces you to read their comments.

• I'd say you should actually listen to people who have very different experiences and perspectives. You don't have to agree with them, but it is beneficial not to go through life with blinders on.

• Last I checked we're all human. Meaning that it is entirely valid for citizens to criticize or comment on other nations. In fact, you're doing so right now by telling them to shut up.

We should also note that while you personally might refrain from commenting on other nations, the US constantly interferes in the affairs of foreign nations, and has other impacts. The US has military bases, military alliances, trade agreements all over the world. US companies sell and manufacture goods in a huge range of nations. Tourists from all over the world come to the US, and vice versa.

Whether you like it or not, the world is connected. Isolationism is no longer viable. If that means that foreigners will comment on US laws on internationally available web forums, then yeah, you're stuck with it.

Alright if people from other countries want to criticize how stuff is done in the USA, fine, let them, but not with gun rights.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I suppose I did give an opinion when I said that I wouldn't choose to live there but I don't have an opinion on how things should be done in Cali, I don't really care how things are done there.

You also said the government there runs your life in Cali. That's your opinion.

Are property taxes way too high in Texas?

 

[DebateChallenge]

So you're original argument was just a big load of crap?

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Nope, what I meant is you can comment all you want on Pennsylvania, I don't care.

 

[DebateChallenge]

You also said the government there runs your life in Cali. That's your opinion.

But it does, at least in some ways. That's not an opinion that's fact.

Are property taxes way too high in Texas?

Not familiar with property taxes in Texas.

 

[Visbek]

Alright if people from other countries want to criticize how stuff is done in the USA, fine, let them, but not with gun rights.

Yes, with gun rights, gun laws, gun control, gun ownership, gun safety, whatever they want.

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it or respond to it.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

There have been a bunch of people who've posted on here who are from countries other than the USA and they like to criticize the USA for having gun rights and they talk about how their country is so much safer since its got much stricter gun laws and much less gun deaths than the USA. Well here is what I have to say to all such people, you can stay in your country and be happy and stop criticizing my country and the fact that there's more in the way of gun rights in my country. Since you don't live here, since you're not an American citizen, how things are done in this country is none of your concern and none of your business. I don't criticize how your country is run, even though I might not agree with how some other countries are run, such as the UK or Japan, that doesn't bother me since they're doing it over there not over here. How you run your country is your business. How the USA is run is not your business and not your call.

Surely you realize that you're posting in an open internet forum. Furthermore, many Americans are as ignorant and as arrogant as they are because they refuse to consider different perspectives. The opinions of non-Americans promote a better rounded experience, but if their comments bother you when they represent positions contrary to yours, then perhaps this is not the website for you.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Nope I haven't. Since their laws apply there and not here it is not my concern.

These are your words: "I might not agree with how some other countries are run, such as the UK or Japan."

I don't have to explain the irony to you, do I?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Yes, with gun rights, gun laws, gun control, gun ownership, gun safety, whatever they want.

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it or respond to it.

But gun laws in the USA is not their call.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Whatever. The fact of the matter is that for people who don't live in the USA, whether or not we have gun rights in the USA is not their call.

They're not trying to make a call. They know they have no standing to make American policy. They're offering their opinions on a website that hosts people's opinions. Why is your skin so thin about the gun thing? I notice you didn't include foreigners' opinions about American immigration policy, abortion rights, defense spending, two-party politics, etc.

 

[DebateChallenge]

These are your words: "I might not agree with how some other countries are run, such as the UK or Japan."

I don't have to explain the irony to you, do I?

When I say I don't agree with how countries such as the UK or Japan are run what I mean is that I don't want the USA to be run the same way as those countries, at least not with some stuff. But I am not going to tell them how to run their countries.

What they do over there is their business. What they do over there stays over there.

 

[TurtleDude]

They're not trying to make a call. They know they have no standing to make American policy. They're offering their opinions on a website that hosts people's opinions. Why is your skin so thin about the gun thing? I notice you didn't include foreigners' opinions about American immigration policy, abortion rights, defense spending, two-party politics, etc.

you do understand this difference

when Americans talk about Australian gun control schemes or single payer socialist health care plans-it is almost ALWAYS because they are arguing AGAINST such laws being adopted into the USA

when foreigners complain about our second amendment rights, it has NOTHING to do with any fear that a country like England or Australia is going to pass a second amendment type guarantee

big difference

 

[soylentgreen]

You find stupidity everywhere and people who are stupid usually can't help it.

Read carefully. Stupidity was not what i objected to, it was the right to stupidity.

And gun rights in the USA do not affect your country.

Then it is a good thing that i have never made an argument pertaining to american gun rights effecting my country.

I can find your country, its not hard. New Zealand is an island country off the south west coast of Australia. It is separated from Australia by the Tasman Sea.

Good for you, you know how to use google search.

Good for you. Most Americans who go to school have that opportunity too.

Then please explain why being born in a country qualifies a person to talk about the american constitution. Is education a genetic thing in your country?

The treaty of waitangi was a treaty between Great Britain and New Zealand. A big event in New Zealand history. Not something Im particularly familiar with since I've been much better educated on historical events in my country such as the Revolutionary War.

That is not only superficial but incorrect as well. It was a treaty between the british crown and the maori rangatira (chiefs). That is an important distinction to make.

Whats the point? Why would I want to make a thread about your country?

So i can have a good laugh walking all over your display of ignorance. Where as the best you could do in any debate over the american constitution and gun rights with me is whinge that i am not an american. As if that made any difference.

 

[TurtleDude]

Read carefully. Stupidity was not what i objected to, it was the right to stupidity.


Then it is a good thing that i have never made an argument pertaining to american gun rights effecting my country.



Good for you, you know how to use google search.



Then please explain why being born in a country qualifies a person to talk about the american constitution. Is education a genetic thing in your country?




That is not only superficial but incorrect as well. It was a treaty between the british crown and the maori rangatira (chiefs). That is an important distinction to make.


So i can have a good laugh walking all over your display of ignorance. Where as the best you could do in any debate over the american constitution and gun rights with me is whinge that i am not an american. As if that made any difference.

brushing through this lots of words with very little in the way of points-what is your reason to talk about American gun issues

 

[soylentgreen]

there are several posters who claim they never say anything about gun rights being restricted but they constantly talk about gun crime and gun deaths. So tell me-what are they insinuating

And once again I can honestly say that i am not one of those several posters. In fact i have argued that crime is a separate issue. I find it more the case that the pro gun side will depend on crime as an issue for being armed.

 

[soylentgreen]

brushing through this lots of words with very little in the way of points-what is your reason to talk about American gun issues

No, i replied to what DC has asked. My reasons really depend on the subject being raised. You may have noticed i do not enter into every gun debate that occurs.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Alright if people from other countries want to criticize how stuff is done in the USA, fine, let them, but not with gun rights.

Please see post # 59. How did you decide to carve out gun control and nothing else? That's . . . bizarre.

 

[TurtleDude]

No, i replied to what DC has asked. My reasons really depend on the subject being raised. You may have noticed i do not enter into every gun debate that occurs.

I would agree that is true but I do see you as fairly active on the gun forum. SO what exactly is your point?

 

[VanceMack]

you do understand this difference

when Americans talk about Australian gun control schemes or single payer socialist health care plans-it is almost ALWAYS because they are arguing AGAINST such laws being adopted into the USA

when foreigners complain about our second amendment rights, it has NOTHING to do with any fear that a country like England or Australia is going to pass a second amendment type guarantee

big difference

Especially where the facts dont support the ban actions in those countries. Australia has had MORE mass murders(25) in the 22 years SINCE the Port Arthur Massacre than they had in the PREVIOUS 25 years (19). Their violent crime rate has gone UP, especially as they start to experience more problems with the same element in their country that tends to drive the violent crime rates in our country. So...why would we adopt a failed practice that ONLY targets law abiding citizens?

 

[Dutch]

you just gave an opinion on California.

that's funny.

California is going a separate way from the rest of the country. And yes, it's funny.

 

[TurtleDude]

Especially where the facts dont support the ban actions in those countries. Australia has had MORE mass murders(25) in the 22 years SINCE the Port Arthur Massacre than they had in the PREVIOUS 25 years (19). Their violent crime rate has gone UP, especially as they start to experience more problems with the same element in their country that tends to drive the violent crime rates in our country. So...why would we adopt a failed practice that ONLY targets law abiding citizens?

because gun control is a weapon that leftwing activists use to harass and impede conservatives and libertarians. that is the main reason why Democrat politicians and leftwing activists are big fans of gun control along with using it to pander to loud mouthed sheeple who demand simple and immediate solutions to MSM overhyped violent crimes.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

you do understand this difference

when Americans talk about Australian gun control schemes or single payer socialist health care plans-it is almost ALWAYS because they are arguing AGAINST such laws being adopted into the USA

when foreigners complain about our second amendment rights, it has NOTHING to do with any fear that a country like England or Australia is going to pass a second amendment type guarantee

big difference

I understand why you are belaboring the distinction, but it's irrelevant. People who live in other countries have no standing in American policymaking; and they know that. Just because some Americans don't want certain foreign policies enacted in the US does not mean that their criticisms of those policies are any different than when non-Americans criticize American policies.

 

[trixare4kids]

why do so many foreigners want to restrict our gun rights?

Now that's the argument the O/P should have asked... lets open up discussion, not close it.

 

[CaughtInThe]

California is going a separate way from the rest of the country. And yes, it's funny.

If you don't live in California then you're doing precisely what the OP is complaining about.

 

[Dutch]

why do so many liberals hate America? no one says this country is perfect-in fact it took a real downturn when we had 20 years straight of Democrats running things, but the hate we see from many on the left gets really old

They just hate the majority of the inhabitants of the red states.

 

[Dutch]

I disagree. Foreigners on this forum are entitled to their opinions concerning anything as far as I'm concerned. Of course they should be prepared to defend their own countries and their issues as well.

If you don't live in California then you're doing precisely what the OP is complaining about.

I disagree with the OP. Besides, I've lived and worked in the state of California. I have every right to "share" my opinion of that state.