To the Right-Wing: Shame Poll

[TurtleDude]

I hate "WhatAboutIsm"...

I hate hypocrisy

 

[jotathought]

war is bad, governments committing genocide on their own people is worse. and that is what socialism has led to

Wait .. socialist and communist governments have killed their own? Or starved them to death where they are fleeing as exiles to adjacent countries?

 

[HangLow]

Capitalism fuels war and is also fueled by war...
Death is the by-product...

 

[HangLow]

I hate hypocrisy

So do I...

 

[HangLow]

war is bad, governments committing genocide on their own people is worse. and that is what socialism has led to

Socialism didn't kill a hundred million people. Maybe Soviet communism did. Not socialism. Capitalism, on the other hand, has killed a hundred million-plus. How? Capitalists couldn't stop themselves from invading places where Soviet Marxist Leninism was expanding. Capitalists couldn't tolerate it so they killed. And killed. And killed.

From the Spanish conquests to the genocide of native Americans to both world wars to Vietnam and everything after. Then there is the misery of global capitalism, destroying swathes of the planet, killing millions through exploitation, and millions more through proxy wars. Capitalists, try and argue that socialism is at fault or worse. While the genocide and killings are ongoing.

 

[Noodlegawd]

If you don't support any of this, would you care to distance yourself from these people, and perhaps denounce them and offer an apology on behalf of your ideology?

I'm confused. If a person doesn't "support any of this," then they dont' have the same ideology as "these people." Why should anyone apologize "on behalf of" an ideology they do not espouse?

 

[Dans La Lune]

are you ashamed that the socialist ideology has led to the deaths of millions in the last 100 years?

Well, that ideology has nothing to do with me, so while I'm ashamed, I'm not personally ashamed. It's like asking me to be ashamed of Nazism because they called themselves 'National Socialists'.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I'm confused. If a person doesn't "support any of this," then they dont' have the same ideology as "these people." Why should anyone apologize "on behalf of" an ideology they do not espouse?

Are you really confused? Really? I gave plenty of options to choose from, including 'This doesn't represent my ideology', at which point you can denounce the actions entirely.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Capitalism fuels war and is also fueled by war... Death is the by-product...

Yeah, the amount of death and destruction caused by capitalism is off the charts.

 

[Dans La Lune]

People shouldn't be doxxed for any reason .. if it's a threatening situation, then it should be handled by the appropriate resources (e.g. law enforcement)

Condoning doxxing is toxic .. How stupid is that concept to personally engage someone (typically aggressively) at their place of residence because you don't agree with them? Just pure stupidity ... no wonder people get shot.

How Right-Wing Extremists Stalk, Dox, and Harass Their Enemies

Leaked chat logs reveal an "alt-right" campaign to dig up personal information on antifa and other leftist activists.

theintercept.com

 

[jotathought]

How Right-Wing Extremists Stalk, Dox, and Harass Their Enemies

Leaked chat logs reveal an "alt-right" campaign to dig up personal information on antifa and other leftist activists.

theintercept.com

I don't care who does it .. right .. left .. male .. female .. some other identity .. it's not right.

 

[jpevans]

Should I do this before or after I apologize for being white?

Why? Are you ashamed of your whiteness?

 

[The Man]

Where's the laughy face option?

 

[code1211]

Strange that you'd lump all of these together, as though they are all intertwined.

There seems to be a connecting thread.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I don't care who does it .. right .. left .. male .. female .. some other identity .. it's not right.

Already addressed. A lot of things are 'not right' in most contexts, but are still legal. We just witnessed a punk kid cross state lines with an AR-15 looking for trouble, finding trouble, killing two people, then claiming and being exonerated by arguing self-defense.

Lobbing death threats is actually illegal, and yet you're focusing on things that are not illegal but merely 'problematic'. Focus, focus.

 

[jotathought]

Already addressed. A lot of things are 'not right' in most contexts, but are still legal. We just witnessed a punk kid cross state lines with an AR-15 looking for trouble, finding trouble, killing two people, then claiming and being exonerated by arguing self-defense.

Lobbing death threats is actually illegal, and yet you're focusing on things that are not illegal but merely 'problematic'. Focus, focus.

Let me get this straight .. from you: "a lot of things are 'not right' in most contexts, but are still legal'" You mean .. like self defense which you don't agree with?

 

[Noodlegawd]

Are you really confused? Really? I gave plenty of options to choose from, including 'This doesn't represent my ideology', at which point you can denounce the actions entirely.

I wasn't addressing your poll, I was addressing your comment about people apologizing for an idealogy with which they don't agree.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I wasn't addressing your poll, I was addressing your comment about people apologizing for an idealogy with which they don't agree.

If they are not of the right, they have nothing to answer for. If they are of the right, and they condemn the actions stated in the OP but continue to support politicians and political party which empowers them, then they're absolutely culpable.

What's the issue?

 

[Dans La Lune]

Let me get this straight .. from you: "a lot of things are 'not right' in most contexts, but are still legal'" You mean .. like self defense which you don't agree with?

Perhaps you should re-read my post, because I answered the "but self-defense!" quite fully.

 

[code1211]

What if the many remain silent???
-Peace

The "many" are individuals.

If each individual remains silent, there is probably a reason for them to do so.