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But they won many excursions that's what I'm trying to tell you. France had the biggest contential empire in Europe, bigger than Hitlers, before that was the Franks, that stretched from South France to Poland.
The Napoleanic era? A true warrior, but he made war for war's sake. And didn't his own people turn on him?
Isn't war a tradition of slaughtering each other?
Its what occurs during war, but again, I refer you to Napolean. The core countries of Europe (France and Germany) have historically gone to war to expressly conquer each other and to slaughter.
Europe isn't slaughtering each other because of a US army in Germany, it is because it is almost virtually impossible. All European economies and political stystems are tied up. Unless the EU breaks down, Europe will not have a "civil war".
Are you sure about that? Are you sure that without an American presence in western Germany and the efforts across the globe, the Soviet powers would not have acted in accordance to the traditions of its neighbors thereby dragging America once again across the ocean?
I don't see the future of Europe in conflict with each other any time soon for the reasons you displayed. However, these two country's determinations to remain traditional will only encourge a civil war that will pit Muslims against "true Europeans."
The seige of Vienna was the end of Islamic expansion into Europe yes. But you are forgetting the Battle of Tours or Poitiers to some, was as equally important or more. No-one in Europe in that time could have faced off the Muslims except the French, they saved our culture, our way of live.
Gunny right now you could be bowing in the direction of Mecca chating "allah", if it wasn't for the French, we all could.
I didn't mean to take away the French contibution to the conflicts. However, if France wasn't threatened, France would not have been involved. This was my point.
Thats the assumption that secular Europeans adopt Islam as their religion. It won't happen. Secualarism is on the rise in Europe. And Muslim people who are born and raised in Europe are getting quite secular too. Its just that the loudest ones tend to be the radical ones.
Like in the Middle East? The Radical voices are causing quite a stir in the face of Moderates. One of the Muslim Brotherhood's goals is to one day see Spain under the Allah's control again. In Europe (France and Germany especially), the seeds of hatred have been sewn for decades. Internal stagnation among Muslim populations-guaranteed by host nation bigotries and traditions-is rampant. Something as small to the western culture - the refusal to allow Muslim school girls the right to wear their headscarves - is huge to those cultures. The reproduction of "native" Europeans are very low as compared to the reproduction rate of their Muslim populations. Amongst thse populations are Radicals and hatreds are growing and spreading.
So, I don't mean to say that religious conversion will be a European event. I mean to point out that by France's unwilingness to address the problem honestly, they are merely ignoring it and hoping it will go away (much like President Clinton's approach to Islamic terror). But, this is not going away.