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Timeline of Alleged Ukrainian-Democrat Meddling in 2016 Presidential Election

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"Both sides agree that Russian interests made attempts to meddle in the 2016 campaign. Special counsel Robert Mueller wasn't able to connect any Americans to the alleged scheme, but filed a case against 13 Russians. He charged that they were instructed to write social media posts opposing Clinton and "to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump." Although it hasn’t been widely reported, Mueller also testified there were instances of Russian social media support for Hillary Clinton as well.

But there's widespread disagreement on the role Ukraine may have had in U.S. election interference in 2016.

This past week, Democrats stepped up efforts to dismiss such allegations as "debunked" and a "conspiracy theory." Republicans doubled down, stating that the alleged Ukrainian efforts may not have been a "top-down" operation - as they believe Russia's was - but could have been significant all the same and deserve serious investigation."​

Timeline of Alleged Ukrainian-Democrat Meddling in 2016 Presidential Election

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"According to reporting by Politico in January 2017, efforts by Democrats and Ukraine to "sabotage" the Trump campaign in 2016 did impact the race, even though Trump won in the end."
"Both Politico and Yahoo News interviewed a key player in the controversy, Democratic National Committee (DNC) consultant Alexandra Chalupa, who previously worked under the Clinton administration.
Chalupa reportedly acknowledged in her 2017 interview with Politico that she worked as a consultant for the DNC during the 2016 campaign with the goal of publicly exposing Trump campaign aide Paul Manafort's links to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine. Chalupa admitted coordinating with the Ukrainian Embassy, and with Ukrainian and U.S. news reporters.
In public accounts since the original news articles, Chalupa -a Ukrainian American - has claimed that her role and intentions have been misrepresented."

"2016
March 25: Chalupa reportedly met with top Ukrainian officials at the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to tarnish the Trump campaign by exposing "ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia," according to Politico.
The Ukrainian embassy proceeded to work "directly with reporters researching Trump, Manafort and Russia to point them in the right directions," according to an embassy official, though other officials later denied engaging in election-related activities."

"March 30: Chalupa reportedly briefed DNC staff on alleged Russian ties to Manafort and Trump. It was the day after the Trump campaign hired Manafort to manage the July Republican convention."
"Ukrainian embassy officials and Chalupa "[coordinated] an investigation with the Hillary team" into Manafort, according to a source to Politico. This effort reportedly included working with U.S. media."

Aug. 4: The Ukrainian ambassador to the United States wrote an op-ed against Trump.
 
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Ukraine never came up until recently. Anyone have the timeline for when Ukraine was brought into the equation?
 
Rexedgar said:
Ukraine never came up until recently. Anyone have the timeline for when Ukraine was brought into the equation?
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It was reported two years ago in Politico. Just like the piece says.
 
bubbabgone said:
It was reported two years ago in Politico. Just like the piece says.
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Two years ago was 2017. Sorry, didn’t read the piece. Late in 2016 and early in 2017 Russia was the culprit. There was no mention of Ukraine at that point. Seems like deflection from where I view this; do I have it all wrong?
 
Nixon would blush at the Trumputin rat****ing of Biden, using foreign nations, Putin talking points, and the invertebrate GOP House and Senate members repeating what they know for a fact are LIEs.

Nixon only used domestic rat****ing techniques in 1972 against Muskie, Jackson and Humphrey. People went to jail over that also. Trump has chosen his opponent in 2020, just as Nixon chose McGovern, my first vote.
 
Cardinal said:
"Charges of Ukrainian Meddling? A Russian Operation, U.S. Intelligence Says

Moscow has run a yearslong operation to blame Ukraine for its own 2016 election interference. Republicans have used similar talking points to defend President Trump in impeachment proceedings. "

Charges of Ukrainian Meddling? A Russian Operation, U.S. Intelligence Says - The New York Times
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Sorry, but there is no way Fiona Hill can be considered "U.S. Intelligence". She is only one person with an opinion.
 
Mycroft said:
Sorry, but there is no way Fiona Hill can be considered "U.S. Intelligence". She is only one person with an opinion.
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Bingo, and a vacillating one at that.
 
Democrats: What's the truth?'

Republicans: Use the attack to try to "win" against Democrats by lying, as they are told to by the party, without any interest in whether it's a lie.
 
Acadia said:
Bingo, and a vacillating one at that.
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She is a top expert, a longtime respected public servant, and someone doing her duty to tell the truth about the criminal you support because you are a bad American who cares nothing for the law, the truth, or the interests of the country or the human race, just choosing to join the trump cult and serve the Republican plutocrats whatever they do.
 
Craig234 said:
She is a top expert, a longtime respected public servant, and someone doing her duty to tell the truth about the criminal you support because you are a bad American who cares nothing for the law, the truth, or the interests of the country or the human race, just choosing to join the trump cult and serve the Republican plutocrats whatever they do.
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She's certainly impressive and intelligent and an excellent diplomat. But the Democrats were trying to pound square Fiona peg into round impeachment hole.
It just didn't work for them.

I thank her for her service and really appreciate her story and background.

(Oh, yada yada I'm a poopy-head Trump supporter yada yada, lol!)
 
Mycroft said:
Sorry, but there is no way Fiona Hill can be considered "U.S. Intelligence". She is only one person with an opinion.
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Your source is a Russian disinformation operation. Congratulations.
 
Cardinal said:
Your source is a Russian disinformation operation. Congratulations.
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Nonsense.

Your source is a news article that says one person who is not part of U.S. Intelligence is "U.S. Intelligence".
 
Craig234 said:
She is a top expert, a longtime respected public servant, and someone doing her duty to tell the truth about the criminal you support because you are a bad American who cares nothing for the law, the truth, or the interests of the country or the human race, just choosing to join the trump cult and serve the Republican plutocrats whatever they do.
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She told no truth...only her opinion.
 
bubbabgone said:
"Both sides agree that Russian interests made attempts to meddle in the 2016 campaign. Special counsel Robert Mueller wasn't able to connect any Americans to the alleged scheme, but filed a case against 13 Russians. He charged that they were instructed to write social media posts opposing Clinton and "to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump." Although it hasn’t been widely reported, Mueller also testified there were instances of Russian social media support for Hillary Clinton as well.

But there's widespread disagreement on the role Ukraine may have had in U.S. election interference in 2016.

This past week, Democrats stepped up efforts to dismiss such allegations as "debunked" and a "conspiracy theory." Republicans doubled down, stating that the alleged Ukrainian efforts may not have been a "top-down" operation - as they believe Russia's was - but could have been significant all the same and deserve serious investigation."​

Timeline of Alleged Ukrainian-Democrat Meddling in 2016 Presidential Election

Some Highlights ...

"According to reporting by Politico in January 2017, efforts by Democrats and Ukraine to "sabotage" the Trump campaign in 2016 did impact the race, even though Trump won in the end."
"Both Politico and Yahoo News interviewed a key player in the controversy, Democratic National Committee (DNC) consultant Alexandra Chalupa, who previously worked under the Clinton administration.
Chalupa reportedly acknowledged in her 2017 interview with Politico that she worked as a consultant for the DNC during the 2016 campaign with the goal of publicly exposing Trump campaign aide Paul Manafort's links to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine. Chalupa admitted coordinating with the Ukrainian Embassy, and with Ukrainian and U.S. news reporters.
In public accounts since the original news articles, Chalupa -a Ukrainian American - has claimed that her role and intentions have been misrepresented."

"2016
March 25: Chalupa reportedly met with top Ukrainian officials at the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to tarnish the Trump campaign by exposing "ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia," according to Politico.
The Ukrainian embassy proceeded to work "directly with reporters researching Trump, Manafort and Russia to point them in the right directions," according to an embassy official, though other officials later denied engaging in election-related activities."

"March 30: Chalupa reportedly briefed DNC staff on alleged Russian ties to Manafort and Trump. It was the day after the Trump campaign hired Manafort to manage the July Republican convention."
"Ukrainian embassy officials and Chalupa "[coordinated] an investigation with the Hillary team" into Manafort, according to a source to Politico. This effort reportedly included working with U.S. media."

Aug. 4: The Ukrainian ambassador to the United States wrote an op-ed against Trump.
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All of our allies engage in election meddling particularly in US Presidential elections....ALL OF OUR ALLIES. There is a huge difference between election meddling as engaged in by our allies and Maligned Election Interference managed and sponsored from the very top of the governments of adversarial nation states and that goes to effectiveness and seriousness of it as well.

So you boys can keep pumping Putin narratives about Ukraine meddling all you want. You are just pointing to yourselves as Putin Pawns.

You want to investigate meddling by an ally...then investigate all of the allies or none of them. Just don't chop out assets that should be doing more important work to do it and stop making believe that the Biden nonsense isn't any more that bare faced political activity involving the government of a foreign nation.
 
Mycroft said:
She told no truth...only her opinion.
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And let's all say it together once again boys and girls! Fiona Hill had no direct knowledge of the phone call, never met Trump and never spoke with Trump.
 
Acadia said:
And let's all say it together once again boys and girls! Fiona Hill had no direct knowledge of the phone call, never met Trump and never spoke with Trump.
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Which does not mean a damned thing to the investigation and likely impeachment of Donald Trump.
 
jnug said:
All of our allies engage in election meddling particularly in US Presidential elections....ALL OF OUR ALLIES. There is a huge difference between election meddling as engaged in by our allies and Maligned Election Interference managed and sponsored from the very top of the governments of adversarial nation states and that goes to effectiveness and seriousness of it as well.

So you boys can keep pumping Putin narratives about Ukraine meddling all you want. You are just pointing to yourselves as Putin Pawns.

You want to investigate meddling by an ally...then investigate all of the allies or none of them. Just don't chop out assets that should be doing more important work to do it and stop making believe that the Biden nonsense isn't any more that bare faced political activity involving the government of a foreign nation.
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And America has been engaging and meddling all over the world.
 
Acadia said:
And America has been engaging and meddling all over the world.
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Which also does not mean a damned thing. You got more hot air to blow?
 
jnug said:
Which does not mean a damned thing to the investigation and likely impeachment of Donald Trump.
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Actually, it means that whatever Hill says doesn't mean a damned thing to the investigation.
 
Mycroft said:
Actually, it means that whatever Hill says doesn't mean a damned thing to the investigation.
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If that is what you think then you don't know a damned thing about Investigations or rules of evidence which is no surprise at this late date. You have not expressed any understanding of the Impeachment proceedings from start till now.
 
jnug said:
If that is what you think then you don't know a damned thing about Investigations or rules of evidence which is no surprise at this late date. You have not expressed any understanding of the Impeachment proceedings from start till now.
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There are no rules in this investigation...except the ones that the House Dems make up.
 
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