Thought about a new holy war.

[ghost]

About a month ago I was watching the television about how Catholics were being killed in Turkey by Muslim radicalists. Then the day after I heard about the pope going to visit Turkey to go see what was going on. Then it dawned on me something that hadnt before. What if tensions in Turkey worsened? Then I did a small report in my language class about a serious "What if" in what I seen the future of the world. That is what I seen, tensions gathering in Turkey, till finally the pope could not take anymore. He urges all Catholics to go and fight the Islamic people. Thus another Holy war would appear in the worlds history.

So now I bring the question to you. Do you ever think tensions could ever be so bad as to start yet another holy war. I have talked to many people that border Turkey. Most of whom have armed themselves, and there familys. Waiting for the day when an Islamic empire might dare to breach Europe again. Do you think that if Islam and the Christians were to declare war on each other that it would go anywhre? Starting much more then a Holy War, more like a third world war.

I know there are allot of "ifs" in this whole thing. I know even that some of you might see this in the future. I also know allot of do not see this as a religious debate. But it has the world to do with it. Two religions that quite honestly have hated each other for hundreds of years. Then Politics, politics that would the entire world into it. Lets hear your thoughts.

 

[VTA]

About a month ago I was watching the television about how Catholics were being killed in Turkey by Muslim radicalists. Then the day after I heard about the pope going to visit Turkey to go see what was going on. Then it dawned on me something that hadnt before. What if tensions in Turkey worsened? Then I did a small report in my language class about a serious "What if" in what I seen the future of the world. That is what I seen, tensions gathering in Turkey, till finally the pope could not take anymore. He urges all Catholics to go and fight the Islamic people. Thus another Holy war would appear in the worlds history.

So now I bring the question to you. Do you ever think tensions could ever be so bad as to start yet another holy war. I have talked to many people that border Turkey. Most of whom have armed themselves, and there familys. Waiting for the day when an Islamic empire might dare to breach Europe again. Do you think that if Islam and the Christians were to declare war on each other that it would go anywhre? Starting much more then a Holy War, more like a third world war.

I know there are allot of "ifs" in this whole thing. I know even that some of you might see this in the future. I also know allot of do not see this as a religious debate. But it has the world to do with it. Two religions that quite honestly have hated each other for hundreds of years. Then Politics, politics that would the entire world into it. Lets hear your thoughts.

The Pope doesn't command a military to send out to war and any urging to do so would explicitly go against what he stands for...
The Islamists side is being billed as a 'Holy War', because this is a powerful tool. The effects are far worse in Thailand and Indonesia than they are in Turkey with Islamists killing Christians and Buddhists.

No religous person hates another based on religion; insecure stooges hate others and will use anything, most commonly religion, as a way to gather support.

 

[nes]

No religous person hates another based on religion; insecure stooges hate others and will use anything, most commonly religion, as a way to gather support.

Do you have any idea how misled you are?

"No religous person hates another based on religion"

here are quotes from a book that helped inspire, osama bin laden

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)

The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them... (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:104)

If your going to say that "No religous person hates another based on religion", then why does Osama Bin Laden hate the U.S. so much? How could that not be based on religion?

 

[VTA]

Do you have any idea how misled you are?

"No religous person hates another based on religion"

here are quotes from a book that helped inspire, osama bin laden

If your going to say that "No religous person hates another based on religion", then why does Osama Bin Laden hate the U.S. so much? How could that not be based on religion?

I'm not interested in why OBL (who's probably good and dead by now) hates America, nor why he and the fools who follow him were misled into believing God wants people to kill each other. I'll state it again: no religous person hates another for their religion. Those that do might think they're religious, hell you've certainly been fooled into thinking they are, but that doesn't make it so.

You can quote whatever you want, find whatever loser who follows a misguided path in the name of God to try to make your point, and I'll show you a person who doesn't understand religion and is as far from God as any human can be.

 

[MSgt]

There is nothing new about today's or tomorrow's events other than the type of weaponry employed and one side's refusal to call it a war for God. For the Islamic world, especially those desperate Radical souls in the Middle East, this has been a long time coming and merely a continuation of what started long ago. Not only do we have the Radical Islam (mostly Sunni) trying to jump start a mass civilizational war with the west, especially America, but we have the Shia sect (Iran's quest) wishing to finally take control of Islam's community in the Middle East away from the Sunni politically, religiously, and socially.

No man's god is our enemy. Our enemy is the man of faith convinced that his god wants blood.

 

[rathi]

This is fearful and unfounded speculation. Turkey is a fairly secular country, at least as far the ME goes. The government has no intention of letting religion usurp its authority. And the pope is not stupid enough to try and claim that west should go to war with the east once again. The catholic church knows that it has but a shadow of the power it had in the middle ages. Even if they give the call, nobody will answer. No western government is stupid enough to support such a crusade. The Africans are less prohibitive of violence and the Christians their might take such a command seriously though.

 

[ghost]

Yes this is a speculation, it was put up as a thought of what might happen. I never said it was going, or its on the verge of exploding. If you took it that way I'm sorry, next time I will word it better.

As far as Turkey being a diverse nation when it comes to religion yes they are. But both the Catholic and the Islamic heritage is strong. Thats like saying there wont be any terrorists in America because were just to diverse for that to happen.

Thirdly, yes the pope does not have an army. But he does control the catholic sect of all country's. If hes said its wrong, its wrong. There is actually a list of things in order for the catholics to say it is right to go to war. So don't tell me that the pope does not control the wait of war.

And fourthly, there are Islamic radicals everywhere. And there is not major sect. Yes lots of Islamic people are kind, peaceful people. This is only something that I thought might happen. As for it actually happening it might be a long shot. I have kept my eyes on the situation for a while now. Honestly the people in the Balkan state of Europe are already fearing something of this nature. Sure its not in the mainstream, but if you listen to some you will find out.

As for Islamic radicals trying to get the west involved to destroy it. To late!

 

[rathi]

As far as Turkey being a diverse nation when it comes to religion yes they are. But both the Catholic and the Islamic heritage is strong. Thats like saying there wont be any terrorists in America because were just to diverse for that to happen.

Turkey has no catholic heritage, they were orthodox not catholic. And its not Turkey's diversity that gives it power, its the power of its government. Its government wants to join the EU, and they have no intention of getting destroyed in a pointless struggle.

Thirdly, yes the pope does not have an army. But he does control the catholic sect of all country's. If hes said its wrong, its wrong. There is actually a list of things in order for the catholics to say it is right to go to war. So don't tell me that the pope does not control the wait of war.

Very few people in Europe actually have enough faith to betray their countries just because the pope says so. And those who did would be arrested and tried with treason. The western military is secular and do not take orders from religious authority. The power of the pope among the western nations is quite weak. He draws more power from Africa and South America than the west.

 

[ghost]

You'd be surprised how far power goes. Yes none of the nations of europe are really tied in with catholicsm. But the pope can wish for there to be hostility. No one ever wouldve thought America would be involved with a war on terrorism until something sparked the fight. Its amazing how pasive people can be till the fight is brought in front of them.

 

[Rebelman]

Well I believe Iran poses the most interesting risk of sparking a holy war. They already have a seething hatrid for Israel, I wonder why?:2razz:

This will definetly cause a grand scale war if something nuclear is brought on the scene.